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orangecrush

(19,581 posts)
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 11:20 PM Oct 2022

Liberal Democrats call on Biden to shift Ukraine strategy

CNN

More than two dozen liberal House members are calling on President Joe Biden to shift course in his Ukraine strategy and pursue direct diplomacy with Russia to bring the months-long conflict to an end.

In a letter sent to Biden on Monday, the group of 30 Democrats praise Biden’s efforts to date at supporting Ukraine while avoiding direct US involvement on the ground. But they suggest a more forceful attempt at bringing the war to an end through diplomacy is necessary to prevent a long and slogging conflict.

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“Given the destruction created by this war for Ukraine and the world, as well as the risk of catastrophic escalation, we also believe it is in the interests of Ukraine, the United States, and the world to avoid a prolonged conflict,” the group, led by Congressional Progressive Caucus chairwoman Pramila Jayapal, write in the letter. “For this reason, we urge you to pair the military and economic support the United States has provided to Ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire.”

The letter comes at a critical moment in the war, as Russia increasingly targets civilian infrastructure with a particular focus on cutting power supplies to Ukrainian citizens ahead of winter.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/congress-democrats-reaction-ukraine-strategy/index.html


We have seen what Russia has done to Ukraine.

YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE OR ENGAGE IN "DIPLOMACY" WITH A MUDEROUS SCUMBAG.

This only helps Russia.

What the fuck were they thinking??!!!







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Liberal Democrats call on Biden to shift Ukraine strategy (Original Post) orangecrush Oct 2022 OP
maybe this pack should move to moscow for a while and try to influence putin nt msongs Oct 2022 #1
Well put orangecrush Oct 2022 #2
Hmmmm, there's something more to this letter ... stinks of rat sex. I'd hold off looks like it was uponit7771 Oct 2022 #18
I'm going to give them that Putin's dirty bomb put some fear in their bones tirebiter Oct 2022 #3
They're idiots 🙄 ebbie15644 Oct 2022 #4
One of the authors is stating that this letter is from July LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #12
So Putin didn't commit atrocities in July? ebbie15644 Oct 2022 #24
So, after Mariupol was bombed to rubble, Crunchy Frog Oct 2022 #29
The stories keep changing LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #35
+1. Their affection for Russia is pathological and their trust in Putin is profoundly misguided dalton99a Oct 2022 #36
Why TF Did The Left Flank Have To Do This Now? It Pisses Me Off. Indykatie Oct 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Oct 2022 #6
Very disappointing SCantiGOP Oct 2022 #7
This Calculating Oct 2022 #8
Yes, this. sprinkleeninow Oct 2022 #9
This comes across as poorly thought out at best DFW Oct 2022 #10
This is a very weak walkback LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #11
totally against the letter stopdiggin Oct 2022 #26
One of the signers says the letter was written in July leftstreet Oct 2022 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Oct 2022 #22
Big mistake claudette Oct 2022 #14
Good news, a start, and overdue. David__77 Oct 2022 #15
This is a horrible mistake at best if this was sent recently, if it was sent in July this reaks of r uponit7771 Oct 2022 #17
On the other hand, if Poopoo thinks there is an opening, the madman might not nuke. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2022 #20
They have "clarified" their positions (LINK) uponit7771 Oct 2022 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2022 #19
Hell, why not offer Poland as well to keep us on Putin's "good side"? no_hypocrisy Oct 2022 #21
IF it is true they signed it in July dalton99a Oct 2022 #23
NO. Russia is a bully. Peace talks with Russia only when Ukraine wants to take that route Amishman Oct 2022 #25
THIS X 1000 orangecrush Oct 2022 #27
I've been a long time defender of the Squad on here.Squad on here Crunchy Frog Oct 2022 #28
And now a bunch of them are backtracking mcar Oct 2022 #30
This idiotic letter has been withdrawn LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #32
Good orangecrush Oct 2022 #33
The stories keep changing LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #34

orangecrush

(19,581 posts)
2. Well put
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 11:26 PM
Oct 2022


Just stay away from windows.

Otherwise they will find out if their "lofty ideals"give them the ability to fly.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. Hmmmm, there's something more to this letter ... stinks of rat sex. I'd hold off looks like it was
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 06:17 AM
Oct 2022

... sent earlier this year when peope thought there was room to deal.

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)
3. I'm going to give them that Putin's dirty bomb put some fear in their bones
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:27 AM
Oct 2022

But history tells us that’s no excuse.

ebbie15644

(1,215 posts)
24. So Putin didn't commit atrocities in July?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:35 AM
Oct 2022

This is not an excuse. I hope they are never in a leadership role in the democratic party

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
29. So, after Mariupol was bombed to rubble,
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:01 AM
Oct 2022

After all the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and the other areas occupied by russia at the start of the war. After hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians had been forcibly deported to russia.

After all the documented rapes, tortures, and murders of civilians.

Sorry if I'm not impressed.

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
7. Very disappointing
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:45 AM
Oct 2022

Without France’s help, this nation wouldn’t have been founded in the 1770’s. Without our help, Britain might have fallen to Hitler and signed a peace treaty.
This country has a moral responsibility to help Ukraine, and the coalition doesn’t stay together without us.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
10. This comes across as poorly thought out at best
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:09 AM
Oct 2022

What’s next, inviting Tommy Tuberville to join the Black Caucus?

Some issues just have to be addressed as they are, not how we wish they were. Tuberville is never going to be Black, and Putin is never going to be reasonable.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
26. totally against the letter
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

(no matter what date it was issued) - and I think it illustrates a disappointing naivety. But pushing this as a 'demand that Biden bend a knee' - is also completely hyperbolic, to the point of bordering on dishonest. How about an effort to keep things real?

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
13. One of the signers says the letter was written in July
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:53 AM
Oct 2022

Mark Pocan

He also says the photo accompanying the article is from a different event



Mark Pocan
@MarkPocan

US House candidate, WI-02
Replying to @yoshikoherrera @RepMarkPocan and @POTUS
Hear you. First, this was written in July & I have no idea why it went out now. Bad timing. Second, it was trying to get to a cease-fire & diplomacy as others were banging war drums, not criticizing Biden. Third, I’ve supported the efforts & will continue. Over analyzed by some.


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Response to leftstreet (Reply #13)

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
17. This is a horrible mistake at best if this was sent recently, if it was sent in July this reaks of r
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 06:16 AM
Oct 2022

... rat sex

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
31. On the other hand, if Poopoo thinks there is an opening, the madman might not nuke.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:01 PM
Oct 2022

Please don't throw me in the briar patch.

Response to David__77 (Reply #15)

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
25. NO. Russia is a bully. Peace talks with Russia only when Ukraine wants to take that route
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:42 AM
Oct 2022

As long as Ukraine wants to fight, we arm and support them.

When Ukraine wants to come to the negotiating table, we stand behind them as a friend and ally.

It's their country, they get to decide the direction this goes.

We support them, we don't tell them what to do.

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