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applegrove

(118,492 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:53 AM Oct 2022

And there is no better way to depress the democratic vote than to tell them they are not in danger.

That should ignore polls that put Republicans ahead or we should discount 'worry about the economy' as the top of voters concerns.

We should be screaming danger! Danger! DANGER! on the rooftops. Vote vote vote.

In 2004 exit polls the day of the election had Kerry way ahead of Bush by two PM. It depressed the Democratic vote for the rest of the day. My guess it was harried democrats coming home at the end if the day, juggling kids, dinner and voting and hearing John Kerry was way out ahead they didn't need to vote. EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE.

DANGER! DANGER! DANGER! Republican House ahead.

Telling people to ignore bad news polls is gaslighting.

Flame away.

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And there is no better way to depress the democratic vote than to tell them they are not in danger. (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2022 OP
Be scared. Work your butts off to get the votes out! herding cats Oct 2022 #1
Not true. If folks think they will lose, they don't turn out. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #2
The opposite is true. People Need Need Need to vote. applegrove Oct 2022 #3
I think a part of why we won in 2020 is due to trust issues. herding cats Oct 2022 #5
That assumes there are only two possible messages, Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #11
I dunno... The disarray/infighting narratives are pretty effective too. RockRaven Oct 2022 #4
Personally moniss Oct 2022 #6
+1 2naSalit Oct 2022 #7
Forget the polls, go vote LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #8
I fully agree. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #9
That is not true. I have done GOTV for years...and if folks think they will lose they don't turn up. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #10
That worked so well in 2016, Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #12

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
1. Be scared. Work your butts off to get the votes out!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:03 AM
Oct 2022

I know I am. There's so much at stake right now, and too many Americans don't seem to grasp the seriousness of the situation.

I'm still shell shocked by 2016 and have some serious trust issues with my fellow Americans. I'm not near ready to believe decency or intelligence will prevail.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
5. I think a part of why we won in 2020 is due to trust issues.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:04 AM
Oct 2022

I believe voters turned out who didn't before because we learned a very hard lesson. Decency doesn't prevail if we don't show up to vote, and there are some extremely vile people out there who will and do vote.

That and Trump's abysmal Covid response helped us secure that election.

I'm not as comfortable in the Dobb's effect as you are to pull us through because I believe the GOP has done a good job of motivating and mobilizing their base on the economy and immigration/border issues where it matters. Then there's the kitchen sink issues of inflation and the economy. Low information independents notice those and are easily led by their noses.

We (active Democrats) need to be out there working our butts off for every single vote we can. If we don't, then this is ours to lose. There's literally nothing to say we've got this and much to imply we will lose the House. I don't mean to seem overly aggressive, but pretending it's not a probability we will without tons of work just because of Dobb's irks me. There truly are massive amounts of mobilized vile people out there who vote now.

We need to fight like never before to win this election. If we don't then we lose.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
11. That assumes there are only two possible messages,
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:13 AM
Oct 2022

We are going to win, and we are going to lose. BOTH of these depress turnout, for the very same reason: they declare that my vote is not essential:. Either because it's already a sure thing - or because my vote can't put us over the top anyway, so why bother.

The middle message is what motivates people to get to the polls: we will lose unless every eligible Democratic voter goes to the polls - and if we do all go, we win. But - every vote matters.

RockRaven

(14,899 posts)
4. I dunno... The disarray/infighting narratives are pretty effective too.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:49 AM
Oct 2022

Trained helplessness is rather paralyzing. And the media is very very practiced at that one.

moniss

(4,168 posts)
6. Personally
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:05 AM
Oct 2022

I like the idea of banning election/candidate polling altogether. But then again I'm an old wild-eyed Progressive who believes we should only have public funding of campaigns, only allow ads that propose specific policies/programs, have the equal time provision etc. I concur wholeheartedly with the OP that people should ignore polls when determining their voting. The pollsters, big media and the corporations want this to be like having us decide on which brand of soup we should buy. Our lives, children, government policies are our future and they are not some f***ng commodity for the greed merchants to write/produce scary ads for about how we are all going to die from the criminals or live in rags on the street because of inflation.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
9. I fully agree.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:01 AM
Oct 2022

But I was roundly scolded when I suggested pelosi's comment to the contrary was I'll advised.

We need everyone realizing that their voter is needed to maintain control -but feeling complacent and using that as a rationale for staying home.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
10. That is not true. I have done GOTV for years...and if folks think they will lose they don't turn up.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:07 AM
Oct 2022

So let's stop posting the bullshit media crap and not destroy our chances. Sure a poll that is up for us six points is a toss-up but a poll with a GOP up by one point means they are winning Baloney.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
12. That worked so well in 2016,
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:20 AM
Oct 2022

When we were assured of a Clinton landslide. Let's be sure to repeat it on this equally critical election.

People need to know their voter is essential. The only way to send that message it to stop airing then that we will (or won't) win. The message needs to be that the election hangs in the balance - if they don't vote, we will lose, but if they do, we will win. People find excuses not to vote when they don't believe their vote matters, and telling them the election is in the bag (for either side) sends precisely that message.

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