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PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:30 PM Oct 2022

Thinking of Paul Wellstone today

Hard to believe that today is twenty years that he died in that plane crash, along with his wife and daughter. I’ll always remember that date because it happened on my parents 60th anniversary.

What a heartbreaking thing to happen to such a great family.

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Thinking of Paul Wellstone today (Original Post) PlanetBev Oct 2022 OP
Really 20 years??? Wow. Loved the idea Paul Wellstone was one of the reasons Al Franken a kennedy Oct 2022 #1
Paul Wellstone True Blue American Oct 2022 #3
Sad beyond expression--how sad he would be at what direction neighboring WI has taken politically hlthe2b Oct 2022 #2
"And may the spirit of Wellstone guide us." Indeed a kennedy Oct 2022 #4
Bravo. Was heartbroken when he died so young and suddenly. Truly admired him. n/t allegorical oracle Oct 2022 #20
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Oct 2022 #24
The most admired politician of my time Doc Sportello Oct 2022 #5
Yes. I was in deep shock from that. I loved Wellstone. LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #6
For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with you. LT Barclay Oct 2022 #7
It's such a coincindence over the decades, isn't it, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2022 #10
Four Kennedys Kid Berwyn Oct 2022 #15
Don't forget Congressman John Murtha of PA.. PittBlue Oct 2022 #16
Hale Boggs, Warren Commission member dflprincess Oct 2022 #23
Mike Connell, or were there more? suegeo Oct 2022 #14
That's the one I was thinking of LT Barclay Oct 2022 #33
I'm glad you posted this. Rustynaerduwell Oct 2022 #8
Domestic terrorists don't always wear white hoods or battle rattle. Some wear a tailored suit and Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #9
Speaking of which, if you've heard Rachel Maddow's new podcast, "ULTRA", she talks about US Senators LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #38
Yes, I remember there were some anomalies in how the event was reported TheRickles Oct 2022 #21
The weather was not clear and there was some drizzle dflprincess Oct 2022 #25
Yes, thanks for the clarification/correction. TheRickles Oct 2022 #26
I remember watching CNN and Wolf Blitzer breaking this story and saying the plane went down in LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #37
The original reports suggested it was wing icing as the likely cause. Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #39
Suspicious and almost impossible to prove any foul play LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #40
Was a great champion of the people. Republicans bankruptcy reform he fought so hard against passed Pepsidog Oct 2022 #11
He was the primary Senate opponent to war on Iraq. Kid Berwyn Oct 2022 #12
... Lucinda Oct 2022 #13
I still miss him. He was such an inspiration to virtually everyone who knew him.... n/t TygrBright Oct 2022 #17
20 yrs?! Sigh, sheeeesh... :'''( electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #18
. Ohio Joe Oct 2022 #19
Was fortunate to have met him twice. PlutosHeart Oct 2022 #22
A Hero marieo1 Oct 2022 #27
A great loss that is still felt today. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2022 #28
I still have my Stand Up! Keep fighting! Button dflprincess Oct 2022 #32
Me too. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2022 #34
I still occasionally see WELSTONE! bumper stickers here in Mn. LNM Oct 2022 #29
I am a firm believer. The Grand Illuminist Oct 2022 #30
I am sorry to have to say I agree. mahina Oct 2022 #36
I still have the Steve Sack cartoon somewhere PlanetBev Oct 2022 #31
He was the best. mahina Oct 2022 #35

a kennedy

(29,675 posts)
1. Really 20 years??? Wow. Loved the idea Paul Wellstone was one of the reasons Al Franken
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:35 PM
Oct 2022

ran for the Senate, I think I heard or read that someplace. Can’t believe it’s been that long. I was in the drive through at McDonalds, and had just heard it on the radio when I got to the window to order and I just started bawling. Window worker, female asks, “what’s wrong?” I said Paul Wellstone just died, she said oh that so sad. I just drove away.

hlthe2b

(102,301 posts)
2. Sad beyond expression--how sad he would be at what direction neighboring WI has taken politically
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:37 PM
Oct 2022

ever since. Minnesota has shown some vulnerability too. And Michigan? OMG. We must all hope those brave three DEM women prevail as Gov, AG, SOS.

And may the spirit of Wellstone guide us.

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
5. The most admired politician of my time
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:56 PM
Oct 2022

For me anyway. I always thought a lot of him but Franken's book detailed why Wellstone was such a great human being and public servant.

LymphocyteLover

(5,647 posts)
6. Yes. I was in deep shock from that. I loved Wellstone.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:00 PM
Oct 2022

I still can't stop thinking that the Bush admin did something to make the crash happen, given how gung ho they were for the Iraq war and Wellstone was a pivotal no vote.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
7. For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with you.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:10 PM
Oct 2022

I had a coworker who recited a list of about 12 liberal politicians who died the same way.
As well as a computer expert who was supposed to talk to the FBI about tampering in the 2000 election.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
10. It's such a coincindence over the decades, isn't it,
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:38 PM
Oct 2022

that assassinations and "small-plane crashes" happen only to liberals, mainly the outspoken effective ones.

Two Kennedys, MLK, Wellstone, Carnahan....

Kid Berwyn

(14,917 posts)
15. Four Kennedys
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:54 PM
Oct 2022

In 1999, JFK Jr., his wife and sister-in-law were lost flying to a wedding. “Pilot error.”

In 1964, Sen. Edward “Ted” Kennedy and three others crashed in a Massachusetts wood. Two men perished in the crash. Sen. Birch Bayh (D-IN) helped keep Ted alive until rescued.

PittBlue

(4,226 posts)
16. Don't forget Congressman John Murtha of PA..
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:05 PM
Oct 2022

Died during a simple gall bladder surgery when the doctor nipped his intestines. This was when he was fighting to pull out of Iraq.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
23. Hale Boggs, Warren Commission member
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 04:03 PM
Oct 2022

Who originally dissented from the "magic bullet" theory though in 1966 he changed his opinion.

He was not a fan of the FBI and Hoover.

He went missing in October 1972 when the plane he was on disappeared in Alaska.

Ford_Prefect

(7,905 posts)
9. Domestic terrorists don't always wear white hoods or battle rattle. Some wear a tailored suit and
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:31 PM
Oct 2022

the old school tie.

LymphocyteLover

(5,647 posts)
38. Speaking of which, if you've heard Rachel Maddow's new podcast, "ULTRA", she talks about US Senators
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:28 PM
Oct 2022

in league with the Nazis and the famous American First movement as well as the lesser known Silver Shirts movement.

Anyway, she actually starts the series with a very suspicious plane crash that killed a Nazi-friendly Senator and some Federal agents.

TheRickles

(2,068 posts)
21. Yes, I remember there were some anomalies in how the event was reported
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:42 PM
Oct 2022

The weather was clear, though police reports said it was cloudy.The wreckage was spread over a large area, not just in one spot, as would be seen with a crash. Etc. Obviously this gets into conspiracy theory territory, but some of the facts just don't add up:

https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Paul+Wellstone%2C+Murder+Of

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
25. The weather was not clear and there was some drizzle
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 04:13 PM
Oct 2022

How bad it was was really exaggerated and it was not bad enough to ground aircraft.

If the original plan had been followed, Wellstone would have flown to Duluth after a day of campaigning in the metro area with Ted Kennedy. They were both scheduled to attend a rally up there.

LymphocyteLover

(5,647 posts)
37. I remember watching CNN and Wolf Blitzer breaking this story and saying the plane went down in
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:26 PM
Oct 2022

bad weather. But as you wrote, then later reports said the weather wasn't that bad. So that initial report always struck me as fishy.

Ford_Prefect

(7,905 posts)
39. The original reports suggested it was wing icing as the likely cause.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:47 PM
Oct 2022

Another suspicious crash was the one which killed Gov. Mel Carnahan, his son, and his campaign manager during an especially tight election against incumbent Republican Senator John Ashcroft in 2000. It was not the first time a close race in Missouri had been affected by a plane crash which killed the Democratic contender.

Missouri lost Democratic Senate candidate Jerry Litton in 1976 to a plane crash during the campaign won by Republican John Danforth, the Purina heir.

Questions were raised about both crashes but no meaningful answers were ever published.

Small and medium sized aircraft are exceptionally easy to disable in ways which disappear during the crash.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
11. Was a great champion of the people. Republicans bankruptcy reform he fought so hard against passed
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:39 PM
Oct 2022

after he died. Hard to believe it was so long ago.

Kid Berwyn

(14,917 posts)
12. He was the primary Senate opponent to war on Iraq.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:47 PM
Oct 2022
Paul Wellstone’s Legacy

10 years after the Minnesota senator’s death, he still sets the bar for a politics of conviction.


PETER DREIER
In These Times, OCTOBER 12, 2012

Shortly before he died in a plane crash on October 25, 2002, Paul Wellstone explained why he was in the Senate: ​“I don’t represent the big oil companies, the big pharmaceuticals, or the big insurance industry. They already have great representation in Washington. It’s the rest of the people that need representation.”

Snip…

In 1990, Wellstone ran a grassroots campaign against U.S. Senator Rudy Boschwitz, a well-financed two-term Republican who outspent Wellstone nearly 7 to 1. He made his lack of financing an issue by running a humorous low-budget television commercial, ​“Fast Paul,” in which he rapidly introduced himself to voters, explaining he had to talk fast because he could not afford much airtime. Another quirky campaign ad, ​“Looking for Rudy,” was based on Michael Moore’s 1989 documentary, Roger & Me. Both low-budget commercials became immediate hits, helping Wellstone gain visibility.

A fixture of Wellstone’s campaign was a beat-up old school bus painted green and white with a speaker’s platform rigged onto the rear exit. Despite some last-minute smears by his opponent attacking Wellstone’s patriotism and religious integrity (supporters of the Jewish Boschwitz claimed that Wellstone was not a practicing Jew), Wellstone won 50.4 percent of the vote. He was the only challenger to defeat an incumbent senator that year.

When he met President George H. W. Bush at a White House reception for newly elected members of Congress, Wellstone, ignoring protocol, spoke out, urging the president to spend more time on issues like education and cautioning him against invading Iraq. Irked, Bush asked an aide, ​“Who is this chickenshit?”

While serving in the Senate, Wellstone remained an organizer.. He was frequently on picket lines and at rallies sponsored by labor, community, environmental, and other progressive groups. His speeches, often appearing to be delivered completely off-the-cuff, would crescendo wildly into loud, short jeremiads expressing indignation at whatever wrongs the rally was addressing.

During most of Wellstone’s Senate career, the Democrats were the minority party. In his 2002 book The Conscience of a Liberal: Reclaiming the Compassionate Agenda, he acknowledged that he spent nearly 85 percent of his time on defense, battling Republican attacks on working families and preventing bad things — like oil drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — from happening. When the Democrats were in the majority in 1993 – 1994, Wellstone pushed for a Canadian-style single-payer healthcare system, in contrast to President Bill Clinton’s more modest reform proposal.

Continues…

https://inthesetimes.com/article/paul-wellstones-legacy

Wellstone said he was from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party. My kind of Democrat.

PlutosHeart

(1,281 posts)
22. Was fortunate to have met him twice.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 03:50 PM
Oct 2022

The thing that stood out to me was his focus in listening. He was not only intelligent but his compassion was right there in your face.
He offered to talk with me further on on issue that I had dealing with and gave me his office number but sadly died about 3 months after that. I think I cried all day.
He was an extraordinary human. Rare.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
28. A great loss that is still felt today.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 04:31 PM
Oct 2022

Like a member of the family.

I have a button of him my husband received at the Memorial at Williams Arena on my Democratic Party hat.

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
31. I still have the Steve Sack cartoon somewhere
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 06:06 PM
Oct 2022

It featured the Wellstone tour bus going through the gates of Heaven. An angel says to St. Peter, “He was always on the side of the little guy.” St. Peter replies, “That’s what the Big Guy liked about him.”

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