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Joe Cool

(741 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:58 PM Oct 2022

Summary of Fetterman/Oz debate

Fetterman struggled with his speech. He didn’t sound good at times but came off as really sincere in his closing remarks.
Oz came off as really smarmy and unlikable and didn’t directly answer any yes or no questions.

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Summary of Fetterman/Oz debate (Original Post) Joe Cool Oct 2022 OP
Fetterman's HEART came through loud and clear... WarGamer Oct 2022 #1
Oz came off as too scripted. Joe Cool Oct 2022 #2
Fetterman's worst moment was re: fracking. WarGamer Oct 2022 #4
Yes agree. No explanation at all given. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #24
I agree with your analysis. And given Fetterman's low key Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #23
I'm sick of people who are running in elections saying they're not politicians Walleye Oct 2022 #3
In 1976 Sen. Birch Bayh ran for President with the slogan "I'm Birch Bayh and I am a politician"... brooklynite Oct 2022 #6
Well I'm sure he lost, but you have a phenomenal memory there Walleye Oct 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Oct 2022 #5
That about sums it up...I thought Fetterman in the end did fine...and the abortion answer from Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #7
I hope someone in the Fetterman camp is working on the attack ad Meadowoak Oct 2022 #12
Yep. LisaL Oct 2022 #16
Indeed. Just exactly how many people does he envision crowding into calimary Oct 2022 #18
I am infuriated by what Oz said! Horrified! Aghast! BadgerMom Oct 2022 #30
The moderators are talking now. Joe Cool Oct 2022 #9
Moderators just said never Oz gave a yes or no answer to their questions. Joe Cool Oct 2022 #10
So the moderators tell you what people said that was wrong Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2022 #11
They both had a good night, Oz was a little more polished FakeNoose Oct 2022 #13
He was all over the map on fracking. You can't directly deny a quote. SlimJimmy Oct 2022 #27
Expectations for Fetterman were not high Zambero Oct 2022 #14
Yes being a TV person helps with bullshitting. But the long pause before speaking? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #26
I believe he was reading the moderators spoken words SilasSouleII Oct 2022 #29
Yes and that's understandable FakeNoose Oct 2022 #32
Good to know! Good tweet from Ana Navarro re Fetterman Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #33
I missed it -- did Dr. Meh's puppy killing get mentioned? Blue Owl Oct 2022 #15
Not that I recall Sugarcoated Oct 2022 #21
Dr Meh!!! Kali Oct 2022 #22
Thank You Joe Cool BOSSHOG Oct 2022 #17
I can't believe this race is tightening. calimary Oct 2022 #19
Also Oz made a huge gaffe on abortion budkin Oct 2022 #20
With those politicians having the power of saying yeay or nay of course. Aussie105 Oct 2022 #28
Oz and that bullshit about uniting everybody then saying he would support The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #31

WarGamer

(12,459 posts)
1. Fetterman's HEART came through loud and clear...
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:59 PM
Oct 2022

It'll be up to the people of Pennsylvania to answer the question of if he's capable of doing the job.

GOTV.

WarGamer

(12,459 posts)
4. Fetterman's worst moment was re: fracking.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:02 PM
Oct 2022

The moderator showed his quote which was the opposite of his stated position at the debate and he wouldn't address it.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. I agree with your analysis. And given Fetterman's low key
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:05 PM
Oct 2022

demeanor, it created a big gap with Oz's scripting, hyperactivity, one notch too high voice. Glad he didn't but would have told him to take it down a notch.

This was the first time I've seen them. I could see how OZ could win some support from this. Over- scripted but have to say pretty damn good bullshit. And people love doctors right?


Wonder if fetterman composes his own tweets? Read many and was impressed.

brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
6. In 1976 Sen. Birch Bayh ran for President with the slogan "I'm Birch Bayh and I am a politician"...
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:04 PM
Oct 2022

...remind me how he did?

Walleye

(31,030 posts)
8. Well I'm sure he lost, but you have a phenomenal memory there
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:06 PM
Oct 2022

Anyone running for an office and standing election, is a politician, ipso facto

Response to Joe Cool (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,606 posts)
7. That about sums it up...I thought Fetterman in the end did fine...and the abortion answer from
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:04 PM
Oct 2022

Oz about how abortion is between a woman, her doctor, and the elected in her state...really Oz. You are idiot and a grifter.

Meadowoak

(5,551 posts)
12. I hope someone in the Fetterman camp is working on the attack ad
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:14 PM
Oct 2022

Using that clip of oz saying that a politician should decide for you.

calimary

(81,345 posts)
18. Indeed. Just exactly how many people does he envision crowding into
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:53 PM
Oct 2022

the woman’s examining room?
And how many whims of local officials will remain the same, and which ones are expected to change?

Excuse me?

He certainly seems to want a crowd in there, all of them entitled to have an opinion that he’d order to be considered.
And will a debate monitor or monitors be included in that crowd!
And will there be room for fact-checkers?

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
30. I am infuriated by what Oz said! Horrified! Aghast!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:54 PM
Oct 2022

Do us all a favor, DSCC and/or Lt. Gov. Fetterman, make that a tv ad. Blare it from the rooftops.

I haven’t forgotten about what the illegitimate SC did to Roe. That action and Oz’s statement make me feel the way Speaker Pelosi did about Trump. I’d like to punch something. I bet I’m not alone. Remind women. Use our anger.

Joe Cool

(741 posts)
9. The moderators are talking now.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:10 PM
Oct 2022

They both said Fetterman did better than expected and Oz used a lot of buzzwords.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
25. So the moderators tell you what people said that was wrong
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:11 PM
Oct 2022

After the debate. And just let them run free during the debate? That's interesting. It's almost got numerous when they asked some very very serious in-depth question and say " you have 30 sec

Response to Joe Cool (Original post)

FakeNoose

(32,658 posts)
13. They both had a good night, Oz was a little more polished
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:18 PM
Oct 2022

I didn't hear any obvious mistakes, but Fetterman scored a point against Oz in the abortion question, also in the minimum wage question. If Fetterman lost any points (I'm not sure that he did) it's when he jumped in a couple of times and talked on top of Oz's rebuttal.

We all know that John isn't a "polished" speaker, but he can think fast on his feet. His answers were all good and truthful.

Oz has had a TV career, and yes he knows how to smile on camera. That isn't enough to convince people that he should be our next Senator.

It bothered me that the announcers were talking so FAST. It's almost like they were trying to get Fetterman to stumble on his answers or make a mistake. WTF?

Fetterman gets my vote. I've already mailed it in so this debate had no consequences for me.




SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
27. He was all over the map on fracking. You can't directly deny a quote.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:40 PM
Oct 2022

If he lost any points with PA voters, it was there.

If Fetterman lost any points (I'm not sure that he did)

Zambero

(8,965 posts)
14. Expectations for Fetterman were not high
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:23 PM
Oct 2022

He alluded to his stroke-related speech issues early-on, which was a good thing. Oz was clearly rehearsed and scripted, but his actual answers might come back to haunt him, particularly when he included local politicians as having an equal role in a woman's personal reproductive decisions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Yes being a TV person helps with bullshitting. But the long pause before speaking?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:18 PM
Oct 2022

It didn't look like the typical "certain way people look when they are trying to formulate a reply.". Is that part of his recovery process too?

SilasSouleII

(363 posts)
29. I believe he was reading the moderators spoken words
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:49 PM
Oct 2022

from a teleprompter. He did this on a recent TV interview.

FakeNoose

(32,658 posts)
32. Yes and that's understandable
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 12:26 AM
Oct 2022

The mods were all talking too fast anyway. It's like they were trying to get Fetterman to stumble or make a mistake. That's how it looked to me. So I'm glad he took that purposeful pause before answering.

BOSSHOG

(37,071 posts)
17. Thank You Joe Cool
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:52 PM
Oct 2022

Fetterman is about liberty and Justice for all (he must be a democrat.) Oz is all about making billionaires happy (he must be a Republican.)

budkin

(6,703 posts)
20. Also Oz made a huge gaffe on abortion
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:55 PM
Oct 2022

Saying that "local politicians" should be part of the decision.

Aussie105

(5,405 posts)
28. With those politicians having the power of saying yeay or nay of course.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:43 PM
Oct 2022

Can you imagine it?

Woman and doctor, having a very private deliberation on her future.

With a camera in the consulting room and a room full of old men somewhere else ready to vote on a yes or no basis as to what the doctor's and woman's decision should be?

Oz foot in Oz mouth!

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
31. Oz and that bullshit about uniting everybody then saying he would support
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:55 PM
Oct 2022

Trump. He looked like an evil dwarf. Fuck that bastard.

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