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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWTF is up with Latinos???
56% support in Fla for DumSantis????? And not only Fla. Do Latinos not realize that Republicans hate everything about them?
gab13by13
(21,402 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)there is a ticking-time bomb in the Latino community (especially among Central Americans) with the organized (and successful) efforts to woo migrants into arch-conservative Pentecostal/Charismatic churches that are highly politicized and ultra-right.
These churches have significant media wings, including Spanish language radio stations, and churches that range from large institutions that either share space with or have supplanted traditionally "White" Pentecostal churches, to storefront operations and others operating in unconventional spaces.
My impression is that very few people here recognize what is happening under their noses, as it is happening in "marginalized communities," but I'm convinced what's coming will make people see Roman Catholicism as a bastion of social justice in comparison.
Very hard right. Of the sort embraced by the genocidal former dictator Ríos-Montt in Guatemala.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,136 posts)Nearly seven in ten Latino voters agreed with the statement, "even though church leaders take a position against abortion, when it comes to the law, I believe it should remain legal." This groundbreaking poll, conducted on behalf of NLIRH and the Reproductive Health Technologies Project (RHTP), sheds new light on Latino/a attitudes by going beyond legality to gauge feelings related to judgment and support around abortion.
https://www.latinainstitute.org/en/latinopoll
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)Using registered voters in a poll is just a waste of time. Half of registered voters don't vote. They need to be using likely or very likely voters instead.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Mossfern
(2,551 posts)Sky Jewels
(7,136 posts)far more supportive of Democrats and were sticking with their affiliation with the party.
Marcus IM
(2,223 posts)Of you are speaking about ex-Cubans in Miami, then it's about 60 percent.
Fyi, I have family who live in Cuba and they fully support their system and their sovereignty.
Mossfern
(2,551 posts)One may wonder why Cubans living in Cuba would be voting in US elections.
But then again, who knows who's voting anywhere or even for whom they're voting!
Is Putin winning?
Marcus IM
(2,223 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)Sad, because many of those who discriminate themselves do not realize that they are mostly lumped in with ALL minorities.
reymega life
(675 posts)more authoritarianism
Jack the Greater
(601 posts)... and how the way others look at life may differ from how you see it.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)They figure eventually the GOP will return Cuba to the good old days. They benefitted from a preferred status as immigrants/refugees and are quick to pull that ladder up after they made use of it.
brooklynite
(94,725 posts)Many Hispanics, Cuban or not, aren't driven by immigration that way progressive seem to think they are. These are US citizens, most multi-generational who came here legally, and are focused more on their own economic situation (which doesn't translate to "I got mine; screw you" rather than on later arrivals who didn't go through the legal process.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)onecaliberal
(32,891 posts)Many are Anti abortion.
MichMan
(11,969 posts)onecaliberal
(32,891 posts)Many were brought here as children, dont know anything else. Theyre expected to go back to where? Wait until repukes come to the table. Not even close to reasonable.
ripcord
(5,536 posts)They vote with us because of immigration issues but they could be looking unfavorably on the new immigration policy.
Elessar Zappa
(14,046 posts)Polls in New Mexico have shown that most Hispanics are pro-choice and pro-marriage equality. That might not be the case in every state but it is here.
Retrograde
(10,153 posts)Many - if not most - in Florida are Cubans, who are used to special treatment and tend to be right-wing. People with roots in Mexico, Venezuela, Chile, the Dominican Republic don't always agree with them - if at all.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)La·ti·no (in North America) a person of Latin American origin or descent.
Latin America
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)marble falls
(57,182 posts)quaint
(2,579 posts)Marcus IM
(2,223 posts)Hekate
(90,787 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,505 posts)the time..... so it's all good
While we're at it. Ahem (putting on my on my Seinfeld voice) "White people!! What is the deal?..."
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)...I imagine the OP wouldn't have asked the question to begin with, given the downright deplorable ways Republicans speak about them.
quaint
(2,579 posts)RockRaven
(14,992 posts)Among other things. Pretty much the same reasons that other people vote Repuke, plus or minus a few.
One cannot take for granted that voters won't vote for people who hate them, hold them in contempt, or want to crush them. If that were true, there wouldn't be any gay, female, or poor white Republican voters.
Takket
(21,621 posts)You might want to look at the Florida Latino vote, especially Cuban, from 2016 and 2020. Ex-Cubans are hard red.
jillan
(39,451 posts)I'm in Az. I've had lots of very progressive Latino friends who are progressive on every issue - except the border.
Why? Because to the families who came here legally, went thru the right channels to get their citizenship, they really are disgusted with the people that are trying to cross the border & trying to take a shortcut to being a US citizen when their family did it "right".
I know. I was shocked too.
Plus a lot of them are Christians - the real kind - not that Maga kind & are very family orientated and also anti-abortion, anti lgbtq
So the GOP was smarter than us and went after their vote.
My personal opinion for what it's worth, if they leave the party, they'll be back once they realize the GQP doesn't give a damn about them - their kids or their needs.
brush
(53,841 posts)Many Cubans in Florida are the descendants of, or are, the ones who fled Castro's revolution. They were the conservative ruling class on the island and had money to flee to the US and are still have a conservative mindset even though the republican party at large is not that welcoming to Latinos on the whole.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)The Latino population is drifting more and more to the RW as so many are going fundie evangelical that they are now the fastest growing ethnic group for evangelicals, and these converts are far more conservative and likely to vote Rethug.
A true wakeup call for me was Starr County. In 2016 Clinton won by 60 points, but in 2020, Biden only won by 5%.
97.68% Latino/Hispanic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
For the first time ever, less than half of US Hispanics are now Catholic, the first ever for any large Hispanic population on the planet. Let that sink in.
In 2014, 11% of US evangelicals were Latino. 2 or 3 years ago it was up to 19%. Likely easily over 20% now. Thousands of small evangelical seed churches are being systematically set up by Latinos. The whole thing is being driven by the younger cohorts, not a bunch of ageing Boomers who are deciding to go hardcore con in religion and politics.
The Fastest-Growing Group of American Evangelicals
A new generation of Latino Protestants is poised to transform our religious and political landscapes.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/07/latinos-will-determine-future-american-evangelicalism/619551/
https://archive.ph/O3tMa
In 2007, when Obe and Jacqueline Arellano were in their mid-20s, they moved from the suburbs of Chicago to Aurora, Illinois, with the dream of starting a church. They chose Aurora, a midsize city with about 200,000 residents, mostly because about 40 percent of its population is Latino. Obe, a first-generation Mexican American pastor, told me, We sensed God wanted us there. By 2010, the couple had planted a church, the Protestant term for starting a brand-new congregation. This summer, the Arellanos moved to Long Beach, California, to pastor at Light & Life Christian Fellowship, which has planted 20 churches in 20 years. Their story is at once singular and representative of national trends: Across the United States, more Latino pastors are founding churches than ever before, a trend that challenges conventional views of evangelicalism and could have massive implications for the future of American politics.
Latinos are leaving the Catholic Church and converting to evangelical Protestantism in increased numbers, and evangelical organizations are putting more energy and resources toward reaching potential Latino congregants. Latinos are the fastest-growing group of evangelicals in the country, and Latino Protestants, in particular, have higher levels of religiositymeaning they tend to go to church, pray, and read the Bible more often than both Anglo Protestants and Latino Catholics, according to Mark Mulder, a sociology professor at Calvin University and a co-author of Latino Protestants in America. At the same time, a major demographic shift is under way. Arellano, who supports Light & Lifes Spanish-speaking campus, Luz y Vida, told me, By 2060, the Hispanic population in the United States is expected to grow from 60 million to over 110 million. None of this is lost on either Latino or Anglo evangelical leadership: They know they need to recruit and train Latino pastors if theyre going to achieve what Arellano describes as our vision to see that the kingdom of God will go forward and reach more people and get into every nook and cranny of society.
The stakes of intensified Latino evangelicalism are manifold, and they depend on what kind of evangelicalism prevails across the country. The term evangelical has become synonymous with a voting bloc of Anglo cultural conservatives, but in general theological terms, evangelicals are Christians who believe in the supremacy of the Bible and that they are compelled to spread its gospel. Some Christians who identify with the theological definition fit the political stereotype, but others dont. Thats true among evangelical Latino leaders toothey have very different interpretations of how the teachings of Jesus Christ call them to act. Every pastor I spoke with told me that they want to see more Latino pastors in leadership positions, and they each had a different take on what new Latino leadership could mean for the future of evangelicalism. When we spoke over the phone, Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and the pastor of New Season Worship, in Sacramento, California, told me, Were not extending our hand out, asking, Can you help us plant churches? Were coming to primarily white denominations and going, You all need our help. This is a flipping of the script.
Although Latino congregations are too diverse to characterize in shorthand, one of the few declarative statements that can be made about Latino Protestants is a fact borne out with numbers: They are likelier than Latino Catholics to vote Republican. The expansion of Latino evangelicalism bucks assumptions that Democrats and progressives will soon have a clear advantage as the white church declines and the Hispanic electorate rises. Some counterintuitive things that have happened [in our national politics] would make more sense if we better understood the faith communities that exist within Latinx Protestantism, Mulder told me over the phone, alluding to the differing perspectives Latinos hold on many issues, including immigration, and how more Latinos voted for former President Donald Trump in 2020 than in 2016. According to the Public Religion Research Institute, Protestant affiliation correlated more with Hispanic approval of Trumps job in office than age or gender.
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excellent longform article, much more at the top link
There is a link in the article that references the Religious Landscape Study by Pew
in 2014 11% of evangelicals were Latino.
Now, the latest numbers from Pew show it is up to 19% (in less that 7 years)
It is likely over 20% now and growing rapidly, driven by the younger gens,
less than half of Latinos in the US are now Catholic, which is pretty amazing
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/latino/
also, there is this:
The Newest Texans Are Not Who You Think They Are
The record influx of recent arrivals from all over might be exactly what the state needs. That includes Californians. (And no, theyre not turning Texas blue.)
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/newest-texans-who-are-they/
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Whatever their ethnicities, Californians are coming to Texas in much higher numbers than are migrants from any other state. In 2019 about 42 percent of net domestic immigrants came from California. For all the hyperventilating about Californians ruining certain Texas cities, however, the fastest-growing parts of the state owe much of their growth to Texans shuffling around from city to city. In fact, a primary reason Texas is growing so fast is that we tend to stick around as compared to natives of other states, meaning theres less out-migration to offset the in-migration. About 82 percent of people born in Texas still live here, making it the so-called stickiest state in the country.
Bill Fulton, director of the Kinder Institute for Urban Research at Rice University, in Houston, points out that basically all the population growth is in the Texas Triangle, the relatively tight space defined by the DallasFort Worth, Houston, and AustinSan Antonio regions. He recently wrote a book with former San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros, and we found that the Texas Triangle favorably compared to virtually all other mega-regions in the U.S., including Southern California and the Northeast Corridor. It is a true economic powerhouse.
Thats just one of the ways Texass population growth is changing the landscape. In the booming cities, Fulton points out, the influx of a young professional class has led to a flowering of high-rise and mid-rise apartment buildings, as well as multiunit home lots. At the same time, suburbs have become more diverse than they were in the days of white flight from urban neighborhoods, in the sixties, in part because today gentrifying city neighborhoods are edging out non-white residents. Rural and small-town Texas, meanwhile, is shrinking. In fact, 142 of the states 254 counties are declining in population, some of them precipitously. Schleicher County, between San Angelo and Sonora, lost 29 percent of its population in ten years, the steepest drop in the state.
The diversification of the suburbs could fundamentally alter the political map by changing reliable Republican standbys to perennial toss-ups. Dying small towns carry less electoral weight. Gerrymandering of districts, now pursued as avidly by Republicans as it once was by Democrats, will continue to redraw electoral maps to maintain the current political order. But at some point, likely soon, the old assumptions will simply no longer hold true, and the keys to winning Texas will change.
The Democrats' Hispanic Voter Problem: It's Not As Bad As You Think--It's Worse
https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/the-democrats-hispanic-voter-problem-dfc
By Ruy Teixeira (Center for American Progress, Brookings Institution, etc)
The Democrats are steadily losing ground with Hispanic voters. The seriousness of this problem tends to be underestimated in Democratic circles for a couple of reasons: (1) they dont realize how big the shift is; and (2) they dont realize how thoroughly it undermines the most influential Democratic theory of the case for building their coalition. On the latter, consider that most Democrats like to believe that, since a relatively conservative white population is in sharp decline while a presumably liberal nonwhite population keeps growing, the course of social and demographic change should deliver an ever-growing Democratic coalition. It is simply a matter of getting this burgeoning nonwhite population to the polls.
But consider further that, as the Census documents, the biggest single driver of the increased nonwhite population is the growth of the Hispanic population. They are by far the largest group within the Census-designated nonwhite population (19 percent vs. 12 percent for blacks). While their representation among voters considerably lags their representation in the overall population, it is fair to say that voting trends among this group will decisively shape voting trends among nonwhites in the future since their share of voters will continue to increase while black voter share is expected to remain roughly constant.
It therefore follows that, if Hispanic voting trends continue to move steadily against the Democrats, the pro-Democratic effect of nonwhite population growth will be blunted, if not cancelled out entirely, and that very influential Democratic theory of the case falls apart. That couldor shouldprovoke quite a sea change in Democratic thinking. Turning to the nature and size of recent Hispanic shifts against the Democratsits not as bad as you think, its worse. Here are ten points drawn from available data about the views and voting behavior of this population. Read em and weep.
1. In the most recent Wall Street Journal poll, Hispanic voters were split evenly between Democrats and Republicans in the 2022 generic Congressional ballot. And in a 2024 hypothetical rematch between Trump and Biden, these voters favored Biden by only a single point. This is among a voter group that favored Biden over Trump in 2020 by 26 points according to Catalist (two party vote).
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much, much more at the link, a tonne of data, this is not just one poll
JohnSJ
(92,382 posts)mackdaddy
(1,528 posts)The spew the same Right wing talking points just in Spanish to target latinx groups.
I guess south Florida is one of the areas targeted.
SalviaBlue
(2,918 posts)iemanja
(53,056 posts)They have done consistent outreach in Latino communities, and not just during election time. Democrats need to do the same.
LeftInTX
(25,545 posts)Well, I call them flop houses, but they're hangouts.
I catch "converted Democrats" hanging out there too. They are paying them more to work for them.
Sympthsical
(9,108 posts)It's very odd and (weirdly) proprietary.
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)extremely problematic? Yikes, it reeks of bigotry.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Sad to see here.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)paternalistic....or perhaps the better term would be colonialist.
LeftInTX
(25,545 posts)Democrats assume Latinos are Democratic.
Trump was bad on immigration, but that's not an issue with the majority of voters.
Obama wasn't stellar himself.
Many Latinos want more secure borders and don't relate to recent immigrants. Immigrants are a different ethnic group than most Latino voters in the US. It's like going back 170 years 'What's the matter with white people? Why don't they want those Irish immigrants here?"
Hekate
(90,787 posts)
a prominent Cuban community, and they tend to be conservative and they hate Communism.
Elessar Zappa
(14,046 posts)Response to Woodswalker (Original post)
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tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Because "Latino" is such a heterogeneous category for a group of people united primarily by a common language. Cubans and Venezuelans have historical and cultural experiences that are incredibly different from those of Mexicans and Salvadorans. Even within Caribbean nations, Cubans have very little political overlap with Dominicans and Puerto Ricans.
We have to do a better job of working within Latino communities and respect the differences within them instead of treating them as a monolith--which doesn't just mean speaking to them in Spanish, but speaking to them about issues that are important to them. I will say this, though: my suspicion from conversations I've had but unsupported by any data I've seen, is that the roguishness of the current repub party appeals to Latino men much more than Latinas.
no_hypocrisy
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)I suppose they will be shocked to discover there are a lot who do not like Immigrants from Mexico.
LeftInTX
(25,545 posts)Most immigrants are not from Mexico either.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Latinos are not the Borg. They do not all vote the same. Different Latinos vote differently, depending on where they're from.
FL = Cubans. CA, NM, AZ, TX = Mexicans
The majority of Cubanos vote r. Mexican-Americans have tended to vote D.
So, no, it's not a surprise that FL Latinos favor the r. It's entirely expected.
moondust
(20,005 posts)I've heard Ana Navarro talk about the steady stream of propaganda in south Florida. Maybe elsewhere as well. RW politicians and media smear Democrats for pushing COMYUNIZUM!!! SOSHALIZUM!!!! Many of the Cuban families that fled Castro for Florida and now maybe some Venezuelans that fled Maduro are apparently a receptive audience for it.
Marcus IM
(2,223 posts)Calling Dems and Obama communists, etc etc ... the usual sh#t.
GreenWave
(6,766 posts)If we got 60% of the senior votes to protect their social security and folks would call that an ass kicking.