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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:32 AM Oct 2022

A huge majority of Americans are unable to forget...

It was a traumatic event in their lives.

They are still angry, but saddened, by the disgraceful, unpatriotic, anti-American, treasonous actions of some of their fellow Americans. The passing time has done nothing to ameliorate their disgust.

There is a good chance that Republicans will win the upcoming election and control of the Congress. They will do their best to cover it up and make people forget it ever happened. But it will not work.

The American people desire justice.

They cannot forget what happened.

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A huge majority of Americans are unable to forget... (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2022 OP
if they re elect the perpetrators the events of jan 6 rampartc Oct 2022 #1
I don't think that we should think so negatively about the secondwind Oct 2022 #2
My thoughts exactly Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #7
K&R betsuni Oct 2022 #3
LW American people are being outspent by RWers. The party is forced Hortensis Oct 2022 #4
How will justice be obtained... MiHale Oct 2022 #5
It won't matter how you vote, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #9
That is the most immediate danger... kentuck Oct 2022 #10
If the GOP wins, were screwed... Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #6
A good portion of our kind of Americans have PTSD issues from this stupid MAGA ilk lambchopp59 Oct 2022 #8
VERY good chance that reQublicans will LOSE the upcoming election KS Toronado Oct 2022 #11
I hope you are right... kentuck Oct 2022 #13
Moscow Mitch only cares about power. KS Toronado Oct 2022 #20
There are many kinds of American people. Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #12
A "huge majority" may have been the incorrect description? kentuck Oct 2022 #14
A simple majority at best Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #17
A huge majority don't give a shit anymore. progressoid Oct 2022 #15
Then our country is in deep shit. kentuck Oct 2022 #16
Stop buying into the MSM meme Icanthinkformyself Oct 2022 #18
We here at DU are a tiny hyperaware microcosm NewHendoLib Oct 2022 #19
They are not going to win control Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #21
That's the point, Magats can't win fair elections. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #23
I wish DownriverDem Oct 2022 #24
Then why DownriverDem Oct 2022 #22
They are using propaganda to discourage Liberals and Dems Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #27
Bullshit... Xoan Oct 2022 #25
I'm sorry, are you talking about Bush v. Gore? BWdem4life Oct 2022 #26

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. I don't think that we should think so negatively about the
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 06:46 AM
Oct 2022

upcoming election, we should focus on getting out the vote, there are many, many new and young voters who normally would vote Democrat, and let’s get them enrolled.

I, too, sometimes feel like it’s all over, but it isn’t!!!!!

GO DEMS!!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. LW American people are being outspent by RWers. The party is forced
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:19 AM
Oct 2022

to move its remaining money around strategically; there isn't enough. Here, from Punchbowl News, is part of the reason. The stakes for our nation, and the planet, are enormous.

Some of the spending we’re seeing in these competitive House races is just bonkers. Truly mind-blowing. These are House districts with TV ad spending levels that you used to see in Senate or gubernatorial campaigns not that long ago.

Here are some examples: $33.6 million has been shelled out in Pappas’ race; $31.4 million in Rep. Susie Lee’s (D-Nev.) race; $30.6 million in Golden’s race; $28.7 million in Rep. Elissa Slotkin’s (D-Mich.) race; and $23.9 million in Angie Craig’s (D-Minn.) race.

That’s close to $150 million in just five districts, with several weeks to go. So yes, gerrymandering has left fewer truly competitive districts. And in those swing districts, the amount of money being spent can be staggering.

Agree with the OP, but at the moment how I feel about my neighbors is not the most compelling issue. This is a time to act positively -- get out the vote and get out the money. We had a friend visiting yesterday, but back to the phones today.

MiHale

(9,782 posts)
5. How will justice be obtained...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:34 AM
Oct 2022

when every avenue is blocked? If the republicans gain control of government…game over. The only avenue that will be left is massive protests. But again to what end?

I know this sounds like giving up but I’ve neither seen or heard of a roadmap back to democracy should fascism win. I’ll continue fighting for Democracy as I have all my political life. I will continue to vote Democratic as long as I’m allowed.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
9. It won't matter how you vote,
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:57 AM
Oct 2022

if fascists are in charge of counting the vote.

Just around the corner the fascist Supreme Court is about to rule on whether state legislators have absolute authority to gerrymander districts. Absolute authority means that the governor, the state Supreme Court cannot overrule the legislators.

Will this decision also morph into state legislators having absolute authority in running elections? If so our vote may very well mean nothing.

Several members of the fascist SC have already opined that they are in favor of giving state legislators the authority to run their elections, with zero oversight.

Will the fascists allow sites like DU to exist? People underestimate what the US will look like under fascism. Enemies of fascism will be jailed or worse.

This is why I have so adamant speaking out that time matters in holding the people behind the insurrection accountable.

I go back to DOJ not prosecuting the Cyber Ninjas which led to more fraudits and enflamed the Big Lie.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
10. That is the most immediate danger...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:00 AM
Oct 2022

That the Supreme Court will rule that state legislatures can name the winners of elections, rather than the majority of the voters. It is very possible that it may happen.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
8. A good portion of our kind of Americans have PTSD issues from this stupid MAGA ilk
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 07:52 AM
Oct 2022

I have to be cautious not to fall prey to my worst impulses.
Having been moved in my pre-teen years to what is now a deep, deep red and deeply redneck area, to get inadvertently outed as LGBT in same: just use your imagination what sort of bullying I endured for 2 years before taking desperate measures to salvage my life, and you've got a pretty good picture of how that went. There wasn't any of those times except for summer break I wasn't covered in bruises. Had there been a child protective services, a local hospital or any refuge there whatsoever I'd have been removed from there.
It was those same bruises that shocked Billy, a latter 70's man who took me in after I ran away, at first as a sexual interest but soon discovered he needed to shelter me just as badly as with his cliffhanger heart condition he needed help as well. Bless his late soul. But I digress. Can't help it, it's therapeutic.
Inside of me is still that balled up anger that potentially so hazardous, if I were inclined to do violence it would be large scale, and directed at those very bullies. Specific ring leaders of them. But I stay far away.
So it is with such heavy heart watching their exact ilk attack our capitol in wanton act of stupidity. I feel those strikes on my body, being crushed so hard I can't breathe in a doorway, goddamnit it brought back the nightmares of being treated like I have no rights, no autonomy, no right to my own life. I have to shut off whatever media plays back those clips.
Some are murderers who got away with it before my time, slap on the wrist and let go to bully others by the "gay panic" defense.
Altough by therapists my own is an extreme case of complex PTSD,
but I'm willing to bet nearly all of us have some extent of that from these violent MAGA idiots.

KS Toronado

(17,344 posts)
11. VERY good chance that reQublicans will LOSE the upcoming election
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:14 AM
Oct 2022

Everything has cycles, remember the big tea party swing? This election is going to swing back
in our favor for several reasons I shouldn't even have to mention.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. I hope you are right...
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:26 AM
Oct 2022

Nancy Pelosi seems to agree with you. She believes that she and the Democrats will keep control of the House.

I would like to see Democrats keep control of the House and re-establish the J6 Committee as soon as the new Congress convenes. However, where would she find any Republicans with both Cheney and Kinzinger gone?

I do not see how the House can keep the investigation continuing, even if Democrats maintain the House?

I would like to see Schumer and McConnell work out a deal to let the Senate continue the investigation and try put the entire episode behind us. Would McConnell ever agree to something like that, with vehement opposition from his caucus?

How important is democracy to Mitch McConnell? He can talk the talk but would he ever walk the walk?

KS Toronado

(17,344 posts)
20. Moscow Mitch only cares about power.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:52 AM
Oct 2022

My gut feeling is the J6 Committee is history, with everything they have given Merrick Garland his DOJ
will be taking over. Be a shame if Congress did stop investigating as it gives repugs a lot of bad press
and RW media a tougher time spinning it.

Beastly Boy

(9,460 posts)
17. A simple majority at best
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:33 AM
Oct 2022

I don't even see much evidence of a huge majority of Americans taking the time to fully understand what justice means.

progressoid

(49,999 posts)
15. A huge majority don't give a shit anymore.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:28 AM
Oct 2022

A few political talking heads keep it alive but the huge majority of Americans have moved on.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
16. Then our country is in deep shit.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:31 AM
Oct 2022

We stand for nothing. We believe in nothing. Will we be happy with what is left when democracy is gone?

Icanthinkformyself

(221 posts)
18. Stop buying into the MSM meme
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:48 AM
Oct 2022

of 'common wisdom says'. The GQP does not, repeat does NOT, have a good chance of winning. If, somehow they defy current odds, we can say goodbye to democracy. But, the chances are slim to none and getting slimmer each day. The media says one thing, the facts on the ground say something else. Blue tsunami. The stronger the emotional attachment to an incident the stronger the memory of it.

NewHendoLib

(60,022 posts)
19. We here at DU are a tiny hyperaware microcosm
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:50 AM
Oct 2022

We have no idea what most of the country thinks. I doubt most even think.


Most just believe what the TV, radio or their preacher tell them to believe.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
21. They are not going to win control
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

They might get, slightly in their favor because of SCOTUS approved gerrymandering, win 1 house of our legislative branch. And as millions and millions of more people vote, that slight chance is getting slimmer, almost microscopic.

If it happens which seems slimmer every day, then it will be 50/50 control. Normal people will control the Senate and the executive branch. And the crazies will control the house and the Supremes. That is not them in control. That is them ripe for their own destruction.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
23. That's the point, Magats can't win fair elections.
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 09:34 AM
Oct 2022

Demographics changed, the fascists are the minority so they use voter suppression and gerrymandering. I live in Pa. and for the past decade or more, Democrats have outvoted Magats and during that time period Magats have gained seats. No Democrat ran in my district for a state seat.

Do not underestimate the evil Magats, they can attain minority rule. They look at Presidential elections and understand that they can't get the most votes so they are rigging the system.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
27. They are using propaganda to discourage Liberals and Dems
Fri Oct 28, 2022, 04:37 PM
Oct 2022

False polls and disseminating doom and gloom are common Russian espionage tools use to prevent reasonable people from voting.

Just doing a negative ad discourages reasonable, kind hearted people from voting. That's why negative ads were getting fewer and fewer until Raygun. Now it's practically the only ads the GOP uses.

When the GOP decided discouraging voting was a winning tactic for them, negative ads increased. Negative push polls increased. Doom and gloom gets the crazies out and discourages most normal voters.

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