These are not normal times. We better wake the fuck up!!!

[augyboston]

Just read about the violent attack on the 82-year-old husband of Nancy Pelosi and I am outraged.

These are not normal times and this cult has to be put down by whatever means necessary. They are coming for us and we'd better get our collective heads out of our collective asses or we will find ourselves on the trains headed for work camps.

Now you may say, we shouldn't overreact or we should take the higher ground or we need to be the adults in the room, but all of that misguided reasoning is based on the assumption that we're dealing with rational fair-minded people. We are not! Let me repeat it, we are not dealing with reasonable rational adults. We are dealing with a clan of monsters who want to destroy us, and our democracy and install a dictator. I can think of only one way to deal with people who want to kill us.

I send Letters to the Editor and have been doing so for years. I value my first amendment right to speak out. My most recent letter expressed the fact that the most important issue in this upcoming election is the preservation of our democracy and I cited the Republican Party as being a threat to our form of government because if they lose they're going to question the legitimacy of the vote. Well, that letter elicited quite a few responses; most of which were supportive, but there were a few crazy responses from MAGATS - one response stated that I should take down my Ukrainian flag - a not-too-subtle left-handed attempt to intimidate me by letting me know the writer knew where I lived.

A couple of days after my letter was printed in the paper, an envelope showed up in my mailbox without a return address with a cutout of my letter with taped-on nonsensical counterpoints to each point I made and an attached note telling me that I had better look in the mirror to see the TRUTH - whatever the hell that means! Another attempt to intimidate me by letting me know the writer knew where I live.

These attempts to scare me only anger me and make me more determined to push back. I will continue to voice my opinions and now I am considering buying a firearm and training in how to use it.

Today's attack on the Speaker of the US House of Representatives should cause all of us to consider what we need to do to prevent violent MAGATS from destroying us.

[spooky3]

1. I'm sorry you're dealing with this. Discover has a great privacy service for cardholders--

You can ask them to search online sites that compile names, addresses, phone numbers, ages, and other personal info and remove all of yours. It won’t stop a determined asshole from finding you, but it will make it a lot harder for casual searchers to do so.

[XanaDUer2]

10. I signed up for this free service

And my spam calls dropped. Great thing.

[dixiegrrrrl]

35. Where can I find that service, pls.

We have the cards.

[XanaDUer2]

38. I got an email

Telling me about it, so I called customer service. They're great at Discover. They told me to sign into the app to activate it. They can probably walk you through it. I've had two sweeps of my information, so far.

[Delphinus]

24. Oh,

I think I've been offered this but have not had time to sit down and look into it.

[LuckyCharms]

2. K and R

[MiHale]

3. KnR

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

[brooklynite]

5. "I am considering buying a firearm and training in how to use it. "

I don't want to sound insensitive, but: why are you so special? What about you would make you a target for violence out of the 350 million people in the country?

"everyone needs to have a gun, because of all the violence because everyone has a gun" will never be sensible argument to me.

[Evolve Dammit]

8. The poster was targeted. And you can do whatever you want, but poster is considering

protecting himself. Seems logical. And yes, your reply was insensitive.

[NutmegYankee]

14. +1 nt

[SoBlueInFL]

18. ITA. nt

[WinstonSmith4740]

31. Thank you!

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Damn right he should get a gun. He's targeted by lunatics. They know where he lives, and undoubtedly, his schedule. As he stated, we are NOT dealing with rational people. If violence is all they understand, and their tool of choice, so be it. Because we all know they'll whine like the cowardly little bitches they are when we fight back.

Many years ago, my late husband said that Democrats downfall will be their tolerance, and willingness to "see the other side". I'm 74, and I'm tired of being told to turn the other cheek. I'm tired of being told "then we'll be as bad as them" if we fight back. I'm tired of Democrats bringing a rule book to a gun fight. If we have to be as bad as them, OK. If that's what it takes to drive them back into the caves and under the rocks they came from, let's do it. I love Michelle Obama, but damn. We've tried going high when they went low, and where did it get us? An orange criminal clown running the country like a mob family. Remember "you've got to be nice" to the governors pleading for help during his bungling of the pandemic? Remember PPE coming into the country being seized by those bastards and doled out as they saw fit? Remember Jared announcing the PPE "is OURS!"? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-admin-seizing-ppe/

I'm done. Screw 'em. If they want to play, let's play.

[happy feet]

43. +1

Thank-yiu. I remember all that the media normalized and now the situation is out of control veering on anarchy.

[Meowmee]

45. Your reply needs to be rec ++

[onlyadream]

48. Amen!!! I'm with you

I wonder if it was like this in Germany in the 1920s and 30s.

[Handler]

60. Totally agree. I wasn't in Germany during that time but I'll bet the situation was very similar.

[WinstonSmith4740]

62. Absolutely!

People that were there say this is exactly how it started. There are too many examples of it to show here, but any of the historians you watch on this remind us of the same thing. Hitler didn't seize power, it was handed to him. And when you do watch any of the available videos, just replace "Jews" with ANY group that isn't white, male, and Christian, and you've got today's Trumpists. I won't even call them Republicans anymore, as that is a total insult to Lincoln and the few remaining Republicans that still have 2 brain cells to rub together.

[Genki Hikari]

56. Insensitive AND pompous

It grows old.

[bluesbassman]

49. You know, you talk a lot of shit, but this is too much.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it? The OP SPECIFICALLY said they received threats at their personal residence, and your take is “what makes you so special”? JFC.

I really don’t understand why you’re here, and I never will.

[Genki Hikari]

55. Reading comprehension fail.

Someone read augyboston's letter in the newspaper, and posted a reply alluding to the UKR flag flying at his residence. Then sent a threatening letter to his mailbox.

Gee, maybe that indicates being a target, ya think?

Try to keep up.

[Calculating]

63. Buying a gun and learning to use it is perfectly reasonable

I think most people should. The ability to protect yourself is a human right imo.

[Marius25]

6. The problem is most of the country either doesn't care or

isn't tuned into what's going on like we are.

The US feels like 1930s Germany where 1/3 of the country killed another 1/3 while the last 1/3 sat by and watched.

Ironically, as a Jew, I wish I could move to Germany right now. Nazism is illegal there, whereas it's praised in America.

[Cosmocat]

15. That is exactly where we are

A virulently radicalized portion of the country acting out, a portion really worried about it, but more enabling it because they half heartedly buy into the radicalized portions bullshit.

It is not going to end well ...

[G2theD]

50. This election may be the most important in our history and for our democratic future.

This could be the tipping point. If we lose big, the end for peace-loving peoples will be almost unavoidable.

If we win big, we may have a fighting chance to protect our country from fascism.

[Chainfire]

23. I know how you feel. American Nazis are no different than the German Nazis of old.

The Republicans have opened a Pandora's box of hate that covers a wide spectrum of Americans that they don't like. I am too old to run and too proud to give into them, so I guess I will have to stay and fight it out.

As a young man, I swore to protect and defend the Nation and the Constitution, I took the oath freely and with conviction, and to which I am still morally bound. Far right Americans are now attacking both nation and Constitution. There is only so far that I am willing to be pushed before I respond in a way that the bullies will understand. I may have to cross the Jordan defending myself, but this old man will not be "relocated to the East" nor will I look away when my neighbors, Jews, gays, blacks or browns, or progressives become victims of a pogrom. We may be forced to be either a hammer or a nail.

[McKim]

54. Yes, I do not want a repeat of The Spanish Civil War!

Yes, we must stand up now or tolerate our way into a repeat of The Spanish Civil War! I cried this morning Saturday when I made my morning coffee when I read that Paul Pelosi was seriously wounded! This is it for me!

Here in Oregon we must stop the Republican candidate for governor! Yesterday I was watching cable news all day for news of Paul Pelosi and there were endless adds for the Republican candidate for governor at EVERY commercial break. They are spending a fortune to try to get Oregonians to vote against their own interests!

Worse, I am worried for the safety of my neighbor who is a very Left Dem state representative!
What has this country come to!

[fleabiscuit]

61. Testify!

[Timeflyer]

37. Agree--darkness is gathering, and so many don't want to acknowledge it.

[Pachamama]

39. This.... +10000

[YoshidaYui]

7. Garland needs to

LOCK TRUMP THE FUCK UP!

[Evolve Dammit]

11. Indeed. It started in 2015. Words f'in matter. And he knew it. We are back to 1930's. And 45 loves

it all. Sure he was thrilled to hear about Pelosi's husband. The Chosen One my fucking ass. He has created this and is amazingly still UN-INDICTED.

[YoshidaYui]

12. Merrick Garland needs to

get off his ass.. how long does it have to appear TRUMP is above the law. we ALL know if it was anyone not TRUMP he would be in handcuffs already!! enough is enough already, the RIGHT have DECLARED war ON US... lock up TRUMP!

[Evolve Dammit]

16. yep

[wnylib]

41. Yes, it needs to happen. But brace yourself because

when Trump is indicted, that will be the trigger for widespread violence. There might not be a single organized attack like J6, but there will be attacks on individuals and groups. I would not be surprised if there is a plan to assassinate some leading political figures as well as random acts of violence.

I want to be wrong. I want to be alarmist. I don't think that I am, but will be happy to find out that I am.

[Maggiemayhem]

53. There have already been 10,000 threats this year against legislators. This was on my local news.

[wnylib]

59. And when Trump is indicted, MAGAs will attempt

to act on some of those threats.

[Meowmee]

46. +++

[Emile]

9. Garland needs to do his damn job and arrest Trump!

[FakeNoose]

21. Arresting Chump will make the crazies even crazier

Do you think Merrick Garland doesn't already know that?

[Emile]

22. So Garland fucking lied about no one is above the law! The crazies are emboldened now

because they feel they are above the law!

[FakeNoose]

25. Well only Chump fits that category (maybe)

The rest of them can and will be arrested and prosecuted.

I don't think Garland lied, he's just being very cool, calm and careful.

[Emile]

26. Jesus

[Emile]

13. K&R

[Iggo]

17. Well first of all I might say...

…anyone who says human beings must be put down “by whatever means necessary” needs to say whether or not they really mean it. Because “by any means necessary” actually means something.

[Joinfortmill]

19. If it wasn't real before, it is now.

[NickB79]

20. An American Kristallnacht may be coming very soon

Depending on how the midterms and the 2024 elections turn out.

[wnylib]

42. I hesitated to say that because I did not want to

instill more fear and anxiety among people who are likely targets. But now that it's been said, I think that something like that could happen. So, since we anticipate the possibility, we'd better also think about what we will do if it happens. How will we defend the targeted people?

[bringthePaine]

27. collectively affirmative, must thwart the crescendo now, and cede no quarter in the doing

[yaesu]

28. Congress and the president need to declare war on the fascists, demand the JD

does everything in their power to lock up violent fascist politicians, bring in the national guard if needed. If its not dealt with now we will lose everything.

[Meowmee]

47. This

[japple]

29. This is the reason that I don't feel safe enough to put a Stacey Abrams bumper sticker

on my car (or a yard sign for any Democratic candidate.) I live in a rural part of MTG's district on a road we call "Chicken Catcher Holler." Hunting season is whenever you want it to be.

[G2theD]

52. They really do want to kill us

They think liberals are demons that must be destroyed. I’ve been monitoring these fascist haters on Trump’s POS anti-social media site. We have as much value to them as rats.

I continue to see the dehumanizing of liberals and democrats. They are psychologically preparing to commit atrocities. I’m totally serious. We are all about to be in grave danger.

I keep putting off getting a firearm. I absolutely abhor firearms. At the same time, I can see the writing on the wall. What we thought would never happen here is being brought about by our fellow Americans. It’s so hard to believe but it’s true. I feel if we don’t arm ourselves, when and if the time comes, it will be too late.

We saw the home invasion of the Pelosi’s home. Imagine rogue groups of MAGAmen searching the for most troublesome liberals. That would be us. It’s a terrible thought, but from what I’ve seen it’s not hyperbole. Let’s hope this never happens.

[McKim]

57. I Did a Human Rights Tour of Rwanda!

I did a human rights tour of Rwanda and that was all fomented by Hate Radio. We are somewhere along this trajectory and we will soon find out just where. I am leaving a bouquet for my very Left state representative two doors down. The Pelosi beating and attempted assassination is a watershed event!

[G2theD]

64. It's scary, but only the strong survive.

I just ordered an AR-15 equivalent and I’m looking at an AK-47. Last time I fired a rifle was in the 70’s in USAF training.
I’m buying ammo and keeping it in a secure location for now.

[hadEnuf]

30. You are 100% right.

Every political nutcase, bully and criminally violent thug has been egged on and given tacit permission to begin targeting people they hate while tearing down our democratic society. They have never gotten so far nor had it so good, and they are not about give that up anytime soon.

We really need to understand this and accept that we may need to defend ourselves.

[ananda]

32. It's time for Martial Law.

We need the Feds and the military to go in
physically and protect voters and ecltion places.

[Heather MC]

34. They keep us in a constant state of fear

the Rethuglican party is basically mob rule at this point.

All that's missing is a Horses head in the bed

[The Grand Illuminist]

36. This means go on the offensive.

What goes around comes around.

[betsuni]

40. Who are you asking to "wake the fuck up" here?

[dlk]

44. Despite whitewashing and bothsiderism in the media,

These are domestic terrorists. Sweeping that fact under the rug only exacerbates their cancer on our democracy.

[mnhtnbb]

51. When I lived in St. Joseph, MO (1988-94) I was the unofficial pro-choice

go to person for reporters from the local newspaper to get comments regarding all the anti-choice folks in town and surrounding area. Look where Missouri is now. Thank goodness I am long gone from there.

My point is, I used to write letters to the editor and give reporters interviews. As a result, I would get hate mail to my home. The ones that made me laugh the most were from mansplaning right wing evangelical ministers in the area. And I'll never forget the time I had one of my boys in to our family practitioner for immunizations. I had just been quoted in a news story and the MD told me he couldn't count the number of times he'd had very vocal anti-abortion dads in his office asking where they should go to get their teenage daughter's unwanted pregnancy "taken care of". Such a load of hypocrites.

These MAGATS are the same way about being "patriots". They are ignorant. They have no knowledge of history at all. They've been fed lies from their right wing pastors, politicians, and media to the point they are brainwashed and incapable of rational thought.

It really scares the crap out of me that so many people in this country are so ignorant, mean, self-righteous, ready to be violent and have access to an unlimited number of weapons. If we don't keep the House and gain a clear majority in the Senate, I'm not sure what I'll do. If I were 10 years younger, I would be ready to leave the US and live out my life where there aren't stories of mass shootings on a daily basis. Now, I don't know.

PLEASE VOTE and get everyone you know to vote.

[Genki Hikari]

58. Was the envelope mailed, or left in your mailbox?

If mailed, contact the USPS. They probably won't find who did it, but that will start an official record of you getting threatening mail. It's a federal crime to do that, after all.

If this letter wasn't mailed, but left in there (STILL a federal crime), there's not much anyone can do. Except..

I'd get a security camera that stays focused on your mailbox. If the scumbag tries it again, you'll have evidence of the perp and the crime to provide either to the USPS or to the cops.