Can The Amazon Be Saved Now?

[Me.]

[SheltieLover]

1. Yes!

[Me.]

3. ...

[TheProle]

2. Yes

Amazon has a rock solid business model with direct economic implications, plus they’re assdeep in video and music streaming.

[Me.]

4. TY

[iemanja]

5. Amazon is taking over the world

Temporary stock declines do not reflect serious business problems. Its stock has exploded in recent years.

[Quixote1818]

6. I think they are talking about the Amazon rainforest which was being leveled in Brazil

by Bolsonaro. The new president will likely protect it.

[iemanja]

7. Ohhhhh

[SheltieLover]

10. Thank goddess!

[NickB79]

8. Most likely not

It's already right at the breaking point, beyond which a death spiral of declining rainfall will convert most of it into savannah and open forests. And if you factor in another degree of warming in the next 20 years, increasing temps and evaporation, it's probably already past the tipping point.

The only thing that can save it now is a COMPLETE halt to deforestation AND a push to reforest millions of acres of land, implemented within a few short years. But even the most ambitious plans only talk about slowing deforestation.

Lula doesn't have the power to accomplish the hard goals necessary, because it would devastate the farming sector of Brazil. It's like in the US; we could solve the West's water shortage by "simply" idling millions of acres of irrigated farmland. It won't happen though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60650415

[former9thward]

9. No.

Lula was president before. What happened to the forest during his time before?

[hatrack]

14. Lula was last president 2006-2010; Bolsanaro was elected in 2018

Deforestation in the Amazon rainforest is surging ahead of the presidential election in Brazil. According to data released today by Brazil’s national space research agency INPE, deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon reached 1,454 square kilometers in September, a 48% increase over last year.

Deforestation through the first nine months of 2022 has amounted to 8,590 square kilometers, the highest such tally on record since the current deforestation alert system was established in 2007. By comparison, at this point last year, when deforestation ultimately hit the highest level in 15 years, 7,010 square kilometers had been cleared.

The news is significant because the second round of the presidential election pits the incumbent Jair Bolsonaro, who has dismantled the infrastructure that underpins conservation in the Amazon while presiding over a sharp increase in deforestation, against Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, who oversaw a sharp drop in Amazon forest clearing and has made saving the Amazon a key part of his bid for the presidency. Lula has proposed a forest conservation alliance between Brazil, Indonesia, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the countries that account for the majority share of the world’s tropical rainforests.

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The news is significant because the second round of the presidential election pits the incumbent Jair Bolsonaro, who has dismantled the infrastructure that underpins conservation in the Amazon while presiding over a sharp increase in deforestation, against Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, who oversaw a sharp drop in Amazon forest clearing and has made saving the Amazon a key part of his bid for the presidency. Lula has proposed a forest conservation alliance between Brazil, Indonesia, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the countries that account for the majority share of the world’s tropical rainforests.

EDIT

https://news.mongabay.com/2022/10/ahead-of-election-deforestation-increases-in-brazil/

[former9thward]

15. Your graph does not include two years of his term.

It does include 2008, midway in his term, and it was one of the worst years.

[hatrack]

16. Yes, you are entirely correct. I didn't include all the years on the graphic I didn't create.

Bye now.

[NickB79]

17. This link has a graph back to 2004

I agree with you, btw. Even the least bad year under Lula was still seeing over 5,000 sq km lost per year. And a lot of that is heavily dependent upon global demand for grain and meat moreso than government policies (that are regularly ignored by farmers and loggers).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55130304.amp

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

11. I hope thats the reason Lula won, and the votes were really for the rainforest

[iemanja]

12. I expect not

I think there is far more too it.
Lula did narrowly win the state of Amazonas.

[Me.]

13. Yes There Is Hope

“Deforestation has increased every year since Bolsonaro took power. Lula will halt Bolsonaro’s development-at-all-costs policies that encouraged ranchers, prospectors and loggers to besiege the Amazon and plunder its natural resources.

He promised to “aim for zero deforestation” but will be satisfied if his government can lower deforestation by 83% as was seen under Lula and Dilma between 2003 and 2014.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/31/lula-policies-priorities-win-brazil-president-election-poverty-housing-amazon

I hope he can do it, apparently he is facing a hostile Congress.

[malaise]

18. Watch/Read this first

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/09/20/colombian-president-gustavo-petro-calls-for-an-end-to-the-war-on-drugs-in-historic-un-address/

[Chainfire]

19. I doubt it can be saved.

As long as there is money to be made deforestation will continue. It is the golden rule, and it is international.