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Looking at elections from from 1928 on, did anyone ever get the Republican nomination that was a better choice then the Democratic nominee? Republicans have nominated some horrific people (Trump, Goldwater), and a couple that wouldn't/didn't cause much damage (Ford, Dole), but still weren't good.
I can only think of two instances where the Republican candidate probably should have won (and he did), and that's Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956. I also have one that I have no idea about (Thomas Dewey in 1948) if he should have won or not. How do you feel? Am I correct in those two (or possibly three) instances, or are there zero? Or more?
Elessar Zappa
(14,033 posts)But I dont know enough to say whether the Dem would have been better. Im inclined to say yes but then again, Im biased.
OLDMDDEM
(1,577 posts)and I think he was a really good president. I was born and raised a Republican but turned Democrat when I came to my senses 30 years ago.
reymega life
(675 posts)LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)They liked Ike.
ITAL
(645 posts)Adlai Stevenson may have turned out better, but Ike was certainly a very good president.
catbyte
(34,438 posts)This was part of a speech he gave to the American Society of Newspaper Editors in April of 1953:
He would be horrified by today's GQP:
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)chriscan64
(1,789 posts)McCain wasn't a bad person, but wrong for the time and his running mate made the choice worse. Dole and Ford look tame by today's standards but I'm glad they lost anyway. The rest wanted us to go back to the robber baron days of the 1890's. Then there are the crooks and liars with each one getting more crooked with bigger lies.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)But I think Wilson was an awful President. Awful.
ITAL
(645 posts)As one of his biographers wrote: everything about Woodrow Wilson is arguable starting with the date of his birth (though December 28th is listed, he was born around midnight, so it may have been the 27th).
Just about everything he did or didn't do, or was thought to be responsible for (even when he wasn't), is demonized by the left or right depending on what it was. He's kind of impossible to know in a lot of ways. I've read dozens of books on that era of time and as many theories or views on him.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)Whose grandparents came of age at that time? He sucked.
ITAL
(645 posts)That is for sure. His cabinet fully segregated the Federal government and while he didn't direct them to do so, he readily accepted it when a couple of his secretaries suggested the policy change in the first place. And this was after people like W. E. B DuBois campaigned for him in 1912, so they certainly felt like he betrayed their confidence.
Wilson's personal dealings with African Americans is somewhat more complicated. There are plenty of stories when he blew them off, but there are also ones that talked about how respectful he was. Even one of his great critics James Weldon Johnson wrote after leaving a meeting with Wilson When I came out, it was with my hostility toward Mr. Wilson greatly shaken; however, I could not rid myself of the conviction that at bottom there was something hypocritical about him."
Wilson seemed like a mystery to A LOT of people who knew him.
PortTack
(32,790 posts)FakeNoose
(32,732 posts)I was too young to know the difference, since I was born in 1951 and he was elected in '52. However I have posted this several times on DU and it seems to sum up what Eisenhower stood for:
Also this:
It seems old Ike would have made a great Democrat, nowadays.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)rsdsharp
(9,196 posts)Eisenhower was re-elected in 1956, not 1958.
Polybius
(15,472 posts)I just edited.
anamnua
(1,119 posts)was a parachute candidate and not a career Republican.
PSPS
(13,614 posts)Polybius
(15,472 posts)I doubt those were stolen.
JT45242
(2,287 posts)He committed treason to sabotage the Vietnam peace talks in order to win.
Reagan 84 is fruits of the poisonous tree of paying the Iranian to hold the hostages in 80.
Bush and everyone in Reagan's cabinet should have been impeached, removed, barred from office, and jailed over the Iran Contra shenanigans.
So yeah, all illegitimate.
PSPS
(13,614 posts)For example, secret "arrangements" with the North Vietnamese, secret "agreements" about the Iran hostages, etc. No legit republican president since Ike.
tinrobot
(10,914 posts)But Carter and Clinton were both the better choice, so they deserved the wins.
doc03
(35,363 posts)we may not have had a Trump.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)At least Nixon was officially disgraced and labeled as having done evil things. And many in his inner circle were indicted.
By contract, Oliver North was hailed as a hero, at least for a while. And when the Iran-Contra offenders got off, the GOP acted like nobody did anything wrong. That taught them that they could get away with anything. It taught them that facts were not what really mattered. We saw how that played out when Bill Barr simply declared Trump innocent in Russia-gate, regardless of what the evidence demonstrated, and within days the GOP was talking about the Russia hoax.
Incidentally, it was also Bill Barr who recommended the Iran-Contra pardons to George HW Bush. He knew exactly what he was doing.
doc03
(35,363 posts)There was a lot of white-washing and revision of history during this time. It has always galled me that no one really paid a price for what they did.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He was one of the driving forces behind the fake Whitewater scandal. That includes that plot to install Ken Starr, who terrorized innocent people when they wouldn't lie for him.
Dole's campaign for president was hard right. His policies were atrocious, as was his rhetoric.
Polybius
(15,472 posts)Like Dewey in 1948. Would Korea be united? Or Bush 1992. Would there be more wars?
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)he pushed or at least enabled three policies that have had devastating consequences for millions of people that continue even today.
First--he gave an okay to the CIA and various proxies to overthrow the democratically elected government of Guatemala. The result has been decades of military dictatorships that have tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of people, along with a resultant guerrilla war that has also led to horrific suffering.
Second--and this is similar to the first--he green lighted the CIA plot to overthrow the government of Iran and reinstate the Shah, with similar results causing even more human and political damage. Iran, like Guatemala, had a democratic government that we essentially destroyed. All the misery since then, including the repression of women and girls we see today, got its genesis from our short-sighted and entirely selfish interference.
Both these actions were "justified" as a response to Communism, but that was as much BS as our going into Iraq to find WMDs. The governments of both those countries--in response to the wishes of the majority of their voters--were taking action to stop the exploitation of natural resources by foreign powers. In Guatemala's case it was fertile land that was being used to grow cash crops for US companies--United Fruit and others--while Guatemalans often were left to starve. The government was proposing to tax these foreign companies or--if they refused to be taxed--take the land while offering fair compensation. In Iran the government wanted control of the oil and the revenue it generated, which brought down the wrath of western oil companies.
The third instance was Vietnam. The Geneva Accords signed in the mid-1950s called for an internationally supervised democratic election in both the north and south regions of that country, allowing voters to choose their government. Eisenhower in his memoirs comes right out and says the US supported Diem in canceling that election because it was clear Ho Chi Minh would win by a landslide. So--no election--instead another junta in the south and a north Vietnamese government driven ever closer to the Soviets and the Chinese, which in turn was used to justify further US intervention.
The consequences of these three anti-democratic policies remain with us today, particularly in Iran. In that instance it always amazes me how most Americans believe the start of our troubles with Iran began with the hostage crisis--not even bothering to ask: why were those people so pissed at us in the first place? Oh, right, "they hate us for our freedom."
I don't know if Stevenson would have done any better, though he did seem to have a much more nuanced vision of the world than Ike.
Domestically Eisenhower did a lot of good. Not great on civil rights, but otherwise a competent and seemingly good hearted person.
Then again, he did also give us Richard Nixon...
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...my Dad bought a TV set in 1952 just to watch Stevenson. But despite that, Eisenhower deserved election. For one thing, Stevenson would never have been able to carry the country with him on the terms of the Korean War armistice; Eisenhower could. He had credibility on matters of war and peace. Secondly, a Dem victory in 1952 would have totally unleashed the Flying Monkey wing of the GOP. McCarthy and his confederates would have just gone wild attacking the Dems, to the point where democracy would have been in danger. As it was, McCarthy came close to toppling Eisenhower. Ike's victory kept the respectable wing of the GOP in power, with the exception of 1964, until Reagan came along in 1980. Finally, Stevenson himself. Someone who was there--a very strong Dem--told me once that Stevenson was FDR without the polio. That there was something lacking in him. He kept going around saying how much he hated being a Presidential candidate, playing coy. Eisenhower wanted the damned job, and said so. That to me is a plus...
Polybius
(15,472 posts)How does everyone think he would have done as a President?