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Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:47 PM Nov 2022

For being such a genius Musk sure is stupid...maybe he's an idiot savant. Can't run a business, except

into the ground.

Advertisers fleeing, employees suing, government oversight about to engage. All in the first week. Gotta wonder just how stupid one person can be….but then he has his idol the Orange Anus to look up to and exemplify. So maybe he is only the second stupidest businessman in America.

We now, maybe, have two master business people who seem to have that magic touch…everything they touch turns to shit.

Maybe Musk would be better off going back to his jalopy business and figuring out how to make his door handles work in cold weather. Gee, wouldn’t that be a genius move?

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For being such a genius Musk sure is stupid...maybe he's an idiot savant. Can't run a business, except (Original Post) Augiedog Nov 2022 OP
He was born rich Sanity Claws Nov 2022 #1
JMHO he doesn't care if twitter makes money. He has the backing of the saudis who want more PortTack Nov 2022 #2
Musk has specialized in businesses where the product already The_Casual_Observer Nov 2022 #3
I would actually disagree with that. tinrobot Nov 2022 #10
I completely disagree with you. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2022 #13
I find their argument more persuasive than yours atm. Perhaps you could do an actual point by point Celerity Nov 2022 #19
and here we debunk the word "genius" GenXer47 Nov 2022 #4
He's not a genius. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #5
He's Wile E Coyote level genius with Twitter Generic Brad Nov 2022 #26
yeah I used to think he was smart Trump jcgoldie Nov 2022 #6
Facebook post hamsterjill Nov 2022 #7
Well that ForgedCrank Nov 2022 #15
As I said in my post hamsterjill Nov 2022 #16
Seems to me ForgedCrank Nov 2022 #17
I didn't skim over the part where you said you didn't like him. hamsterjill Nov 2022 #18
I'll refrain ForgedCrank Nov 2022 #22
Poor Elon hamsterjill Nov 2022 #23
I find it ForgedCrank Nov 2022 #25
You have a "good" day! hamsterjill Nov 2022 #27
There was one simple way to verify that it wasn't Musk's account that got zapped. Emrys Nov 2022 #21
I didn't care enough to take the time to look. hamsterjill Nov 2022 #24
My armchair diagnosis is he's both autistic and a sociopath unblock Nov 2022 #8
Seems likely BlueIdaho Nov 2022 #11
Many autistics are highly empathetic even if it's not communicated; I don't see that with him. NullTuples Nov 2022 #14
My vote goes to narcissistic sociopath much like TFG. Few close friends, intolerant of criticism, allegorical oracle Nov 2022 #28
I'm guessing he is "high functioning but on the spectrum" kind of person Backseat Driver Nov 2022 #9
His ego has gotten the best of him, plus he's surrunded by sycophants tinrobot Nov 2022 #12
I don't think he's an idiot savant GenThePerservering Nov 2022 #20

PortTack

(32,790 posts)
2. JMHO he doesn't care if twitter makes money. He has the backing of the saudis who want more
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:50 PM
Nov 2022

Control over American politics..which is also his goal.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
3. Musk has specialized in businesses where the product already
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:51 PM
Nov 2022

Existed and the need for a new version of the product is dubious at best.

tinrobot

(10,914 posts)
10. I would actually disagree with that.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:08 PM
Nov 2022

To be fair, his most prominent business of electric cars was a pretty empty field at the time. There simply were no electric cars on the market. His rocket business did have existing product, but there was a need for competition, which he filled.

But both of those are mostly industrial manufacturing, forming metal into the shape of a car or rocket. When the product is done, either it works, or it doesn't.

Twitter is a completely different business. A social network is a lot more like hosting party than it is about making something. It's a lot more subjective and driven by the whims and tastes of it's users. His management style is not going to be good for that company or it's customers.

Celerity

(43,487 posts)
19. I find their argument more persuasive than yours atm. Perhaps you could do an actual point by point
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 11:30 PM
Nov 2022
rebuttal of their positings.

Cheers
 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
4. and here we debunk the word "genius"
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 03:56 PM
Nov 2022

If you look at most of the "geniuses", they have one thing in common: a single-minded fixation on a very narrow set of goals, from a very young age. Elon wrote a video game in BASIC when he was 12, around the same time I did. What I didn't do, was continue with it. He did. As a result, he is rich but woefully immature and uneducated in pretty much everything except coding and engineering.
Legends are for storytelling, but they serve no purpose in the real world.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
26. He's Wile E Coyote level genius with Twitter
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 09:57 AM
Nov 2022

He does not have the emotional intelligence necessary to manage a social network. I get that the controlling the algorithm must hold a fascination for him for a technical mastermind like him, but Christ on a Cracker - he just does not comprehend the unprecedented level of self-owning and damage he is doing.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
7. Facebook post
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:01 PM
Nov 2022

I read earlier on Facebook that one of the laid off employees was able to suspend Elon Musk’s account before leaving. No way to verify, but I did laugh.

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
15. Well that
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 07:20 PM
Nov 2022

turned out to be fake. Never happened.
However, behavior like that is exactly why he had to lock out all of the employees, even the good ones. There's no way to determine who is trustworthy and who is not. One jerk could do a lot of damage to a company.
I'm not really an Elon Musk fan, but sabotage is a real threat, and it's not cool at all to vandalize or destroy someone elses property.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
16. As I said in my post
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 09:25 PM
Nov 2022

There was no way to verify.

But why would anyone on DU be defending Musk after he laid off a bunch of employees just because he’s a billionaire jerk who could?

Your post is a red flag to me. I wonder a lot of late just which side some here are on. The “holier than thou” attitude is a little bit stuffy. If someone did get a little payback toward him over his handling of the Twitter situation, maybe that’s what an asshole deserves.

SMDH…


ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
17. Seems to me
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 09:49 PM
Nov 2022

there are a lot of people who start seeing imaginary red flags anytime someone disagrees with them.
I explained to you a reason those internal people were locked out. If you still believe it was simply "just because he’s a billionaire jerk who could", then carry on. Beside the fact that I think Musk is a weirdo, I'll repeat the part you skimmed over or purposefully ignored in my previous post: EHEM: I don't like him. That said, I still disagree with you 100%. I'm here to discuss things, not be anyone's cheerleader.

And yes, I consider myself "holier" than people who would be in favor of vandalizing the property of others. It's not only illegal, it's ethically wrong. If that is considered "stuffy" to you, then so be it. I'll stand on that hill and you can throw rocks all day.

SMDH...

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
18. I didn't skim over the part where you said you didn't like him.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 10:59 PM
Nov 2022

But I felt you sure were quick to condemn someone for fighting back against a person who is and always has been a jerk to others. Musk doesn’t play fair and therefore if he got some push back from treating Twitter employees badly, then good for them for having a little fire to fight back.

I live in reality. Some people deserve a little comeuppance. Go ahead and stand on your hill. The ones throwing rocks are going to be people like Musk because they do not play by the rules, they fight dirty, and the only way to get even with them is to fight back the same way.

You disagree? Aw, I’m crushed.

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
22. I'll refrain
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 12:41 AM
Nov 2022

from insulting you since it's not a thing I do. I'm holier on that front as well.
Have a fine evening.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
23. Poor Elon
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 09:11 AM
Nov 2022
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/twitter-sued-layoffs-days-elon-musk-purchase-rcna55619?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Those “terrible” employees are fighting back again! Some of them probably even called him an asshole under their breath. I’m sure you are shocked.

They should be happy they ever had a job and just find another one, right? Because the billionaire always gets to call the shots.

Well I’m glad these people are fighting back. Now you have yourself a “fine” day. Don’t we normally say “good” day or evening in America?



ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
25. I find it
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 09:52 AM
Nov 2022

curious when people read what I write and hear all sorts of things I never said.
Have a fine day!

Emrys

(7,255 posts)
21. There was one simple way to verify that it wasn't Musk's account that got zapped.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 11:36 PM
Nov 2022

It didn't have a blue tick, Elon Musk's does.

In fact, that was the major point the tweeter Don Lewis who was the source of this was trying to make:



Don Lewis
@DonLew87

1/3 - Oh wow! Looks like before being laid off a Twitter employee may have suspended @eIonmusk's account. . .😮


Don Lewis
@DonLew87
2/3 - Oh wait! Turns out that @eIonmusk account is suspended, but the 'Chief Twit' @elonmusk account is still active.



Don Lewis
@DonLew87

3/3 - This also shows one of the problems with an open blue check system with no real verification. That imposter Musk account could look that much more real with a purchased $8/month blue check. 🤷🏽‍♂️


The imposter used an old trick. The "l" in Elon was actually an upper-case I.

(This sort of scam could have been avoided if Twitter had used a serif typeface for user names, but design considerations yadayadayada.)

unblock

(52,309 posts)
8. My armchair diagnosis is he's both autistic and a sociopath
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:01 PM
Nov 2022

Many autistic people are really talented in one of a few narrow areas (such as math/computers), but clueless in others (such as socially, at least when interacting with non-autistic people)

But most autistic people recognize their deficits and care about the consequences. Musk appears not to care about his affect on others, and insists on getting his own way, hence the sociopathy.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
14. Many autistics are highly empathetic even if it's not communicated; I don't see that with him.
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 07:11 PM
Nov 2022

Most also have sensory issues; again, he doesn't seem to display them at all, ever.
We often also have patterns that we follow, and have meltdowns or shutdowns.
I could go on. But my "aut-dar" just does not ping with him.
I could be wrong, and he could just be really good at masking, but then I'd expect him to need massive, frequent downtime to recover.
Again, it's possible he's an autistic but I just don't see it.
What I do see is someone who's personality was formed in a life chock full of privilege who never needed to learn to care about others. and as you said, he doesn't seem to even consider he could have deficits. Which IMO could mean he is possibly another narcissist like Trump, though I don't know enough about Musk to be even reasonably sure, and I really don't want to observe him.

allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
28. My vote goes to narcissistic sociopath much like TFG. Few close friends, intolerant of criticism,
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 10:06 AM
Nov 2022

authoritarian tendencies, low verbal skills, crave sycophants because praise validates and drives them. High achievers within narrow frames, but dependent on hiring employees that actually do the work for which they can take the credit.

Backseat Driver

(4,394 posts)
9. I'm guessing he is "high functioning but on the spectrum" kind of person
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:05 PM
Nov 2022

oops, I'm guessing he is "high functioning butt on the spectrum" kind of person.

tinrobot

(10,914 posts)
12. His ego has gotten the best of him, plus he's surrunded by sycophants
Fri Nov 4, 2022, 04:14 PM
Nov 2022

Just take a look at the emails they released as part of the trial. Nobody is around to tell him "no" anymore. So, he operates on his worst instincts and, because it's such a high profile company, everything he does is on display.

I suspect it will blow up in his face, but who knows...

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