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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis type of rhetoric is not helping us.
Trust me, I get the point he's trying to make. Most African American Republicans are recruited to run against other African Americans in the Democratic party. The repukes think this will make them look more inclusive, and help to win some elections. (BTW it usually doesn't work) But this type of rhetoric from our side does not help the cause.
https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/real-talk-white-supremacy-in-white-and-black-face-part-ii/article_b5a0e8f8-abea-5847-83e2-a3ff60ff462d.html
Skittles
(153,164 posts)WTF
iemanja
(53,035 posts)Just for context. I agree that the language is problematic.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)Ive said worse. If anyone says that article stops them from voting for a democrat. I dont believe they intended to do so in the first place.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)I'm from Georgia, and we, as Democrats, black or white, don't use that kind of language.
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Polybius
(15,423 posts)Someone on a liberal forum board admitting to that kind of filth.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)I think we are better than that.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I really hope you mistyped that.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)you've said worse? yikes.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)As such, its not my place as a white person to police his language. Id be really offended if a fellow white used that rhetoric, but I also recognize that black people have the right to use caustic language (such as the n-word) which whites simply dont.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)I can assure you that we (both black and white) don't use that kind of rhetoric. It's much too caustic and serves no purpose.
JI7
(89,251 posts)a black person can get some pass on it.
Same with others where person of that same group can do it and it's not as offensive .
I do agree that politically it shouldn't be done. But it's not like it's being done by the Democratic Candidate.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)Maybe other words, but not that one.
JI7
(89,251 posts)But this wasn't a Democratic Candidate using it . So why refer to it as our side ?
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)I guarantee you, if you told the other older black folks in my family on my Late Mom's side to not use that word, and told the 'old heads' I personally know to not use that word coon, you'd get told off and get some words flying back at you from them.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)My experience with several other nearing 100 year old black women is totally different than your experiences are with the black people you know, because these women are in their 80's and some in their deep 90's, Church Mother's, who'd "Bless you out" if you tried to tell them to NOT say the word coon, because they still use that word when they see Herschel Walker types. In fact, a 97 year old church mother's grand daughter told me that Miss. Gussie " blew her top when she saw that idiot Walker sitting next to Lindsey Graham. Nana said "That big coon is sitting there letting that racist white man use him" is what Miss. Gussie said. I don't use the word, but if I was there when Miss. Gussie called Walker a coon, I wouldn't have said anything. I'm not going to fix my mouth to tell a 97 year old who lived through a hideous Jim Crow south/a Depression, and whose 2 great uncles were lynched "just because" not use that word.
She's walked miles in her 97 year old "shoes" and has seen/experienced so much pain--much more then I'll ever see/experience trying to survive a deeply racist Jim Crow, lynchings in the south and when blacks were treated sub-human for me to stop her from calling Walker that. tRump's still still trying to destroy this country, still trying to start violence, riots, race wars almost DAILY in the streets if he's not put back into white house as president, and Imma stop Miss. Gussie from calling Walker a coon?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)coon (n.)
popular abbreviation of raccoon, 1742, American English. It was the nickname of Whig Party members in U.S. c. 1848-60, as the raccoon was the party's symbol, and it also had associations with frontiersmen (who stereotypically wore raccoon-skin caps), which probably ultimately was the source of the Whig Party sense (the party's 1840 campaign was built on a false image of wealthy William Henry Harrison as a rustic frontiersman).
The now-insulting U.S. meaning "black person" was in use by 1837, said to be from barracoon (by 1837), from Portuguese barraca "slave depot, pen or rough enclosure for black slaves in transit in West Africa, Brazil, Cuba." If so, no doubt this was boosted by the enormously popular blackface minstrel act Zip Coon (George Washington Dixon) which debuted in New York City in 1834. But it is perhaps older (one of the lead characters in the 1767 colonial comic opera "The Disappointment" is a black man named Raccoon).
Also, in Western U.S., "a person" generally, especially a sly, knowing person (1832). Coon's age is 1843, American English, probably an alteration of British a crow's age. (Crows are famously long-lived. Compare Greek tri-koronos "long-lived," literally "having three times the age of a crow." But raccoons are not.) Gone coon (1839) was used of a person who is in a very bad way or a hopeless condition.