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SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 12:56 AM Nov 2022

This type of rhetoric is not helping us.

Trust me, I get the point he's trying to make. Most African American Republicans are recruited to run against other African Americans in the Democratic party. The repukes think this will make them look more inclusive, and help to win some elections. (BTW it usually doesn't work) But this type of rhetoric from our side does not help the cause.

... And like the incompetent, subliterate and coonish Herschel Walker, Stuber reiterates “massa” Trump’s talking points. Intimating fraud, he cast aspersions on the 2020 elections. Stuber alleged votes were not counted in Georgia and Arizona, and further declared, “Champaign County may have stopped counting. I don’t know.” But during a late August interview with The News-Gazette’s Tom Kacich, he dissembled when asked if Trump had won. Again, disingenuously claiming uncertainty, he stated, “I don’t know if he truly was the winner.”

https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/real-talk-white-supremacy-in-white-and-black-face-part-ii/article_b5a0e8f8-abea-5847-83e2-a3ff60ff462d.html
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This type of rhetoric is not helping us. (Original Post) SlimJimmy Nov 2022 OP
COONISH? Skittles Nov 2022 #1
This is the author iemanja Nov 2022 #2
Hmm, seems to me he got it exactly right. tulipsandroses Nov 2022 #3
You've called African Americans "Coons?" SlimJimmy Nov 2022 #5
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #7
It's crazy, isn't it? Polybius Nov 2022 #11
Honestly, I was shocked by the rhetoric and felt a need to share it. SlimJimmy Nov 2022 #12
You've said worse? BlackSkimmer Nov 2022 #18
Uh..... Dorian Gray Nov 2022 #19
It appears to have been written by a Black editorial columnist... regnaD kciN Nov 2022 #4
As an older white Democrat from Georgia, SlimJimmy Nov 2022 #6
If it's a non black person doing it then it's just totally wrong JI7 Nov 2022 #8
No African American gets a pass on the word "coon." SlimJimmy Nov 2022 #9
I mean in comparison to a non black person using it JI7 Nov 2022 #10
NO black person what? LenaBaby61 Nov 2022 #13
Not from the folks I know. They don't like and don't use it. SlimJimmy Nov 2022 #14
Okay, that's great, and that's YOUR experience. LenaBaby61 Nov 2022 #17
Anybody propagating the term by using it is perpetuating the slur. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #16
etymology of that word frogmarch Nov 2022 #15

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
3. Hmm, seems to me he got it exactly right.
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 01:29 AM
Nov 2022

I’ve said worse. If anyone says that article stops them from voting for a democrat. I don’t believe they intended to do so in the first place.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
5. You've called African Americans "Coons?"
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 01:44 AM
Nov 2022

I'm from Georgia, and we, as Democrats, black or white, don't use that kind of language.

Response to SlimJimmy (Reply #5)

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
12. Honestly, I was shocked by the rhetoric and felt a need to share it.
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 02:43 AM
Nov 2022

I think we are better than that.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
4. It appears to have been written by a Black editorial columnist...
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 01:31 AM
Nov 2022

As such, it’s not my place as a white person to police his language. I’d be really offended if a fellow white used that rhetoric, but I also recognize that black people have the right to use caustic language (such as the “n-word”) which whites simply don’t.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
6. As an older white Democrat from Georgia,
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 01:47 AM
Nov 2022

I can assure you that we (both black and white) don't use that kind of rhetoric. It's much too caustic and serves no purpose.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
8. If it's a non black person doing it then it's just totally wrong
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 02:10 AM
Nov 2022

a black person can get some pass on it.

Same with others where person of that same group can do it and it's not as offensive .

I do agree that politically it shouldn't be done. But it's not like it's being done by the Democratic Candidate.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
10. I mean in comparison to a non black person using it
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 02:23 AM
Nov 2022

But this wasn't a Democratic Candidate using it . So why refer to it as our side ?

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
13. NO black person what?
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 03:00 AM
Nov 2022

I guarantee you, if you told the other older black folks in my family on my Late Mom's side to not use that word, and told the 'old heads' I personally know to not use that word coon, you'd get told off and get some words flying back at you from them.




LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
17. Okay, that's great, and that's YOUR experience.
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 07:28 AM
Nov 2022

My experience with several other nearing 100 year old black women is totally different than your experiences are with the black people you know, because these women are in their 80's and some in their deep 90's, Church Mother's, who'd "Bless you out" if you tried to tell them to NOT say the word coon, because they still use that word when they see Herschel Walker types. In fact, a 97 year old church mother's grand daughter told me that Miss. Gussie " blew her top when she saw that idiot Walker sitting next to Lindsey Graham. Nana said "That big coon is sitting there letting that racist white man use him" is what Miss. Gussie said. I don't use the word, but if I was there when Miss. Gussie called Walker a coon, I wouldn't have said anything. I'm not going to fix my mouth to tell a 97 year old who lived through a hideous Jim Crow south/a Depression, and whose 2 great uncles were lynched "just because" not use that word.

She's walked miles in her 97 year old "shoes" and has seen/experienced so much pain--much more then I'll ever see/experience trying to survive a deeply racist Jim Crow, lynchings in the south and when blacks were treated sub-human for me to stop her from calling Walker that. tRump's still still trying to destroy this country, still trying to start violence, riots, race wars almost DAILY in the streets if he's not put back into white house as president, and Imma stop Miss. Gussie from calling Walker a coon?

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
15. etymology of that word
Sat Nov 5, 2022, 03:47 AM
Nov 2022
https://www.etymonline.com/word/coon

coon (n.)
popular abbreviation of raccoon, 1742, American English. It was the nickname of Whig Party members in U.S. c. 1848-60, as the raccoon was the party's symbol, and it also had associations with frontiersmen (who stereotypically wore raccoon-skin caps), which probably ultimately was the source of the Whig Party sense (the party's 1840 campaign was built on a false image of wealthy William Henry Harrison as a rustic frontiersman).

The now-insulting U.S. meaning "black person" was in use by 1837, said to be from barracoon (by 1837), from Portuguese barraca "slave depot, pen or rough enclosure for black slaves in transit in West Africa, Brazil, Cuba." If so, no doubt this was boosted by the enormously popular blackface minstrel act Zip Coon (George Washington Dixon) which debuted in New York City in 1834. But it is perhaps older (one of the lead characters in the 1767 colonial comic opera "The Disappointment" is a black man named Raccoon).

Also, in Western U.S., "a person" generally, especially a sly, knowing person (1832). Coon's age is 1843, American English, probably an alteration of British a crow's age. (Crows are famously long-lived. Compare Greek tri-koronos "long-lived," literally "having three times the age of a crow." But raccoons are not.) Gone coon (1839) was used of a person who is in a very bad way or a hopeless condition.
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