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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy Darling Delusional Mr. Maher
Having just viewed Real Time (November 4, 2022), I have a few words to say. Actually, I have more than a few words, but I will restrict myself to addressing your remarks about the overturning of Roe v Wade having "fizzled out" as being an election issue.
That's been a RW talking point since Roe was overturned - the insane idea that women "will have forgotten" being relegated to second-class citizens without autonomy over their own bodies if just given a few months to get over their to-be-expected-but-temporary hysteria.
Let me put this in terms even you can understand. If the males of this country had their penises cut off in the spring, do you think they'd have forgotten it by the midterms? Do you think they'd show up at the polls and think, "Yeah, well, I was upset about being dickless for months - but I've gotten over it."
If you honestly believe that the issue of women's rights has "fizzled", you are even more out of touch with on-the-ground reality than I previously thought - and that's saying something.
The entirety of tonight's show was a shining display of your unfettered joy at the idea of democracy being crushed - because you might be cited as having "called it first".
There are tens of thousands of women who are registering as first-time voters. If you think they're doing so in order to support the GOP's War on Women, you're an idiot.
But I repeat myself ...
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CTyankee
(63,912 posts)reason to not send it anyway. Somebody on his staff might and that would be just lovely in itself...
Initech
(100,076 posts)But ever since COVID came, he's basically just been Jordan Peterson but with a nicer haircut. Most of his monogues have been treading into "old man yells at cloud" territory for a while now.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)it makes me giggle...
Hekate
(90,690 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)misognynist
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)WTF??
claudette
(3,568 posts)As if all women suddenly don't need to have medical care during a pregnancy that might need it to be terminated! We remember - and we will be out in droves to vote to make sure the magats lose.
I really don't quite understand the fascination some people have with Bill Maher. I never could stand to listen to him.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)You bit the bullet for me!
I cannot stand this fraud and never watch him.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Thank you!
Marcus IM
(2,203 posts)I had to stop watching his misogynistic show several years ago. Really helped with my temper and blood pressure.
Great response to his bullshite.
royable
(1,264 posts)I'd thought he was supposed to be entertaining, which is why I'd watch him from time to time. Then I realized I'd been woefully misinformed.
bluboid
(560 posts)betsuni
(25,530 posts)That white suburban women are shifting to Republicans? What is your point? But sure, hate hate hate hate for a supporter of Democrats.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... that the 2020 election was 'stolen' and Trump actually won by a landslide.
Should we all just defer to what a lot of people are saying on the basis that they're saying it?
betsuni
(25,530 posts)But people love to hate! Blah blah blah bad man says something bad, doesn't matter if he supports Democrats. Really? You can't tell who is on your side?
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... that the over-turning of Roe has "fizzled out" as an issue among women voters is NOT on my side.
He "supports Democrats"? Apparently you didn't watch tonight's show.
betsuni
(25,530 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)That's why he devoted an entire show to explaining why Democrats will lose the midterms.
betsuni
(25,530 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Maher was making an observation not advocating a position.
I thought it was one of his best shows, particularly the closing monologue.
beaglelover
(3,484 posts)And that new rules segment........ouch!
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)but the poll that counts will tell us on Tuesday.
As far as Maher supporting Democrats, sometimes. He was a big fan boy of Ron Paul, until Ron Paul came on his program and started spouting how the Civil War actually wasn't necessary, and slavery would have gone away eventually on its own. If he had done any research on Ron Paul, he would seen Ron Pauls' racist newletter from the 90's.
In my view Maher isn't particularly smart either. He pushes misinformation about vaccines and qwack cures such as this:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/virginiahughes/goat-milk-cure
along with other topics and guests too.
While he may support Democrats at times, the fact is that he is a Libertarian at heart.
You ask why Maher triggers such visceral reactions among some here, for the same reason Elon Musk, Howard Stern, etc. does. Because he is controversial:
Link to tweet
and that is his thing. He wants controversy. That is how he makes his living.
He would be very unhappy if no one paid attention to him.
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)show was cancelled when he said the 9/11 hijackers were "brave" on his over the air broadcast. That was the final nail why his sponsors, who were already slowing down advertising on his show, and he had to go to a pay format.
He obviously has enough of a fan base, that HBO they put him in their lineup.
I have grown out of his routine, and don't find him particularly entertaining. I also never found Don Rickles very funny either.
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)are expressing that.
He is just an entertainer.
If Susan Sarandon is brought up, there would be an equal visceral reaction to her
Any celebrity who makes controversial statements, is going to similar reactions
betsuni
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JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)discussion.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)The pundits and politicians were calling them "cowards" but it takes a lot of courage to go into a foreign country, hijack a jetliner, and crash it into a building.
Pointing this out does not condone the terrorist act of murdering thousands of innocent men, women, and children. Nor does it lend any legitimacy to the warped poisonous ideology that misled these men into sacrificing their lives for a cause in which they obviously passionately believed.
The intelligent way to counter that poisonous ideology is not with simple minded mischaraterizations but with a deep dive into the history and current circumstances which drive human beings to commit such atrocities.
To understand them is not to justify their actions. On the contrary, the key to defeating an enemy is to understand his motivations and the context which gave rise to the poisonous ideoligy which has such profound influence not just on an organized terrorist group but on a significant swath of the population.
In our effort to better understand the situation which brought mass murder to our shores, we must not avert our eyes from our own actions overseas. An intelligent foreign policy that serves our best interests and national security requires regular reassessment of our past mistakes, current associations, and future geostrategic considerations -- while keeping in mind our highest ideals and how the United States of America can strive towards being that shining city on the hill that inspires others around the world to follow our lead.
I joined DU in 2002 while GW Bush and the PNAC neocons were manipulating the American people through a systematic campaign of misinformation into supporting an invasion of Iraq which was part of their written agenda before the 9/11 attacks.
We have seen the consequences of their misguided attempt to remake that troubled region by military force. The long occupation of Afhanistan and the brutal war in Iraq demonstrated the limits of American power, badly tarnished our image in the eyes of the world, cost us dearly in blood and treasure while inflicting untold suffering and death on the people who live there, and metastasized the cancerous ideology that gave rise to ISIS.
In our names the administration of GW Bush committed war crimes in a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. He, his vice president, and others belong in prison instead of leading lives of wealth and privilege.
I find it ironic that the daughter of Dick Cheney is now making a stand now to save our own democracy, but that is another matter and I've rambled on long enough this morning.
Joinfortmill
(14,422 posts)Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)...was not that I sometimes disagree with him or that he's always a smug narcissist, but that he's often woefully unprepared to counter the BS spewed by some of the vile rightwingers he invites on his show.
Within the last year or so he had Steve Bannon on for his opening guest. Maher's questions were intended as "gotcha" traps, but Bannon's responses were rapid fire narratives that cleverly dodged the original question with the kind of seemingly valid points which all too often fool the uninformed.
Maher was overwhelmed and unprepared to counter the barrage of lies so he'd make an offhand remark, say OK, and move on to the next question only to get owned again by an evil propagandist who is clearly much smarter than him.
If I was Elvis Presley I would have shot the television.
I still see almost every show because my wife finds it interesting and entertaining compared to other such fare and we have some good conversations of our own about the content, but if it was up to me I'd flip the channel or read a book.
I've had enough of Bill Maher and pretty much can't stand him anymore, even if he is occasionally spot on or funny with his New Rules.
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)slavery anymore
Isnt that special, look how far we have come
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)than it used to be. Which is obviously correct.
You're reading something into it that isn't there. As is the OP.
If I say the Republicans are likely to win the house and Senate that doesn't make me a republican. I'm just saying something you don't want to hear.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)But people who reflexively hate him (and don't even watch) don't care.
He could not have put the election in stronger terms for why voting Democratic is vital.
But, oh no, he said something about white women voters that has now shown up in multiple polls.
That scoundrel.
Shermann
(7,413 posts)He can be controversial and correct at the same time.
Hope22
(1,838 posts)I wouldnt give him the sweat off my balls if I had any! 😂 Women will set him straight at the polls. Cant wait!
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)Hope22
(1,838 posts)He was a gem!
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)Hope22
(1,838 posts)Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Rs are nothing if not evil, calculating rat Fukers.
They knew it would be a hit in November, but timed it well enough that it would fade enough to still win at least the house, and that was a trade off they were willing to make to get it done and over with this cycle.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)His show can be amusing and he gets good guests from the right and left whose interactions have been entertaining and even enlightening at times but, speaking of time ... Sometimes I think he's smoked one bowl too many.
mnhtnbb
(31,389 posts)I've watched him for years and noticed the difference in his turn to the right while he was doing his shows from home. And I've stopped watching him. He's less funny. Much less funny.
Xavier Breath
(3,630 posts)of his show he spent pissing and moaning about his damn solar project.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I think I just got tired of his right wing views considering hes supposed to be a liberal lefty.
What he is clueless as you say. Out of touch.
Thanks!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)democrats automatically equal right wing views?
NJCher
(35,675 posts), "Yeah, well, I was upset about being dickless for months - but I've gotten over it."
😊
mnhtnbb
(31,389 posts)I sincerely hope the pundits are out right astonished on Election night that they've been so wrong. I hope they are speechless. I have to believe women will not accept being told they do not have the right to make their own health care decisions.
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)The question is whether Republican and Independent women care about it.
...enough to change their votes.
I'd love to be convinced that they do on election day. But we don't even seem to be having have serious increases in turnout over it. And the polling is embarrassingly, scarily, close.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Exactly what planet are you currently living on?
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)haven't already been factored into what appears to be a record voting turnout for a midterm, in addition, to those voting on election day
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)The base of the republican party support the trump ideology. Why would anyone, man or women, who still identifies as a republican be expected to change their votes with that mindset?
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/06/two-thirds-of-republicans-want-trump-to-retain-major-political-role-44-want-him-to-run-again-in-2024/
We will find out Tuesday if the polling is truly a reflection of what women care about:
" A recent survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that half or more of respondents are more motivated to vote in this years midterms because of abortion concerns, especially among women. And according to an Economist/YouGov poll conducted October 29 through November 1, 60% of women said that views on abortion mattered a lot in their voting, compared to 40% of men."
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2022/11/04/motivated-by-abortion-women-could-determine-the-outcome-in-tuesdays-midterm-elections/
I wonder how people who won't answer phone calls from numbers they don't recognize are factored into the polls.
Because of redistricting, and trump insuring that a full census during the pandemic was perhaps inadequate, the House will be more challenging to overcome.
That being said, I do not believe anyone can predict the outcome on Tuesday, because there are so many cross currents going on.
malaise
(269,004 posts)Bill Maher is a detstable woman hating creep.
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Duppers
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jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Sucks more with each passing year. Folks need to understand that hes a libertarian type jackoff and he will make more sense.
Joinfortmill
(14,422 posts)ItsjustMe
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FalloutShelter
(11,866 posts)Well said,Sister.
gab13by13
(21,341 posts)way back when he got on the Democrats are snowflakes kick, when in fact the opposite is true. Maybe Maher is the snowflake, appeasing the Magats so he can do shows in their cities?
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)That's one of the narratives they are pushing, along with "young people are not voting." Neither of which are true. Randi Rhodes discussed this in her show yesterday. It should be up on YouTube by now, for those who want to hear what she has to say. She does her homework...
d_b
(7,463 posts)Voters only store memory for issues that benefit Republicans.
Shermann
(7,413 posts)Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Of course, that context is missing from the OP - and intentionally so.
Context is always a troublesome thing when the object is demagoguery.
Shermann
(7,413 posts)His brand of political news as entertainment is very different from that of the Alex Joneses of the world. He generally supports his claims. And some of those claims are truth bombs aimed at the left as well as the right (but mostly he aims right). It's the opposite of confirmation bias in a way.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)He never mentioned where this info was coming from, never cited which poll or survey he was quoting and/or relying on.
That's a glaring "lack of context" right there.
spooky3
(34,452 posts)Have found a huge turnaround in voting preferences among white suburban women. It was a WSJ poll conducted by a Republican pollster. It has been re-reported in several right wing outlets.
IIRC, this subset was only 150 respondents and I didnt see the exact wording of the questions. I have zero confidence in such a poll.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)I still hold out hope, and I'll definitely vote straight ticket Democrat
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)I'm hoping to exhale and have some hope left.
Emile
(22,757 posts)Goonch
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milestogo
(16,829 posts)forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)Either the MSM will be correct, or they wont be.
Same thing with the polls, and so called trends.
I suggest we either tune out, or put all our efforts into GOTV for the next few days, or we will make ourselves crazy!
Only 4 more days, hang in there!
LetMyPeopleVote
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I agree with the OP that Maher is out of touch
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beaglelover
(3,484 posts)Paladin
(28,261 posts)Emile
(22,757 posts)I really don't miss it.
Polybius
(15,417 posts)I have no idea if he's right or wrong.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)It's a matter of promoting the RW talking point that women have decided that their rights don't really matter after all - based on a "poll/polls" he never identified.
senseandsensibility
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msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)It's been so many years ago, I think it was when Obama was elected, although he disgusted me before then,
He would serve up the occasional red meat for liberals, but then like the viper he is, he'd have his liberal audiences for lunch in a fairly swift whiplash manner.
He's just another dickless narcissistic mysogenist jerking off on tv and laughing all the way to the bank with a bonus dollar to match each woman outraged by his remarks.
wonder what would happen if every woman and progressive male would just stop clicking on his youtube, or subscribing to HBO just for his show?
*there are quite a number of people who subscribe to HBO just watch Real Time*
I'd love to see a mass exodus of viewers.
Mr.Mystery
(185 posts)Well he got one thing right.
He is incorrect. A lot.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)thank you
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)I'm calling out Maher on presenting "poll results" as some kind of valid indicator that the issue of choice for women has "fizzled out".
I note that he never cited the "poll/polls" he was referring to - so why leave that crucial piece of information out of the discussion?
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)He is a Libertarian, old fart, misogynist and if you are on his show and do not kiss his ass he acts like a big baby.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Is look at a poll. People overwhelmingly care about the economy first.
We are not living in an era where people care about other people and their plight. Hopefully the pendulum swings back.
amb123
(1,581 posts)And to think, I used to like him . . .
argyl
(3,064 posts)If he's on another show the channel is changed really quickly. He just makes me gag.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)I switched him off within the first minute of his opener, at his first cheap shot at Democrats, and am finally letting him go. He showed up on Ari Melber's show on Monday or Tuesday, had nothing, so I figured he was trying to shore up dwindling audience numbers more than understand who and why he lost them to begin with.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... what "reality" he's living in - like where everyone's kids are entitled little brats.
Not my experience at all with my own kids, or those of my friends.
So where is his 'info' coming from - other than his own ass?
ancianita
(36,055 posts)When I think of the signal-to-noise environment we've suffered, how he's added to that by going for cheap shot laughs over laughs of recognition, add to that his kids/women/Democrats noise, well, I can't even... we have writers of sharper humor on this site than he's got on payroll. And you're one of them.
He should retire, get back in touch, and just do an occasional special.
William769
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betsuni
(25,530 posts)Whatever!