Thousands of Christians Condemn Rep. Greene, Mike Flynn as 'False Prophets'

[applegrove]

Thousands of Christians Condemn Rep. Greene, Mike Flynn as 'False Prophets'

BY XANDER LANDEN ON 11/5/22 AT 10:49 AM EDT
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https://www.newsweek.com/thousands-christians-condemn-rep-greene-mike-flynn-false-prophets-1757210

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Thousands of people have signed an online petition circulated by a Christian organization condemning Republicans including Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and former Trump national security adviser, Michael Flynn, as "false prophets."

In a description of its petition, the organization, Faithful America, blasts leaders of the "Christian nationalist movement," who "come to us in sheep's clothing by claiming to speak for Jesus, but ultimately prove themselves to be ravenous wolves who manipulate the language of religion and care only for themselves, devouring the rights of non-Christians, women, migrant families, voters, and the LGBTQ community."

In addition to Greene and Flynn, the organization labels Texas Governor Greg Abbott, Republican Ohio U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance, Pennsylvania Republican gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, and Representative Lauren Boebert, a Colorado Republican, as "false prophets," according to the organization's website.

The petition, which has a goal of 15,000 signatures, currently has close to 14,000 signatures as of Saturday morning.

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[PortTack]

1. Good! True Christians need to step up before these goons totally desecrate Christianity.

[Genki Hikari]

40. There is no such thing as "true" or "false" xians

If you think they are, then what religion are the "false" ones?

And why would they pretend to be part of a religion they don't believe in? Who does that sort of thing? Or do you think that they have to be non-xian because only non-xians would be immoral enough to a) be such awful people and/or b) lie about what religion they are to, what, make xians look bad?

It's obviously nonsense that these people could be non-xians, so the true/false, real/fake appellations when it comes to xians behaving badly are not only dishonest, but also downright hateful towards non-xians.

They aren't non-xians. They're xians. Real and true ones. Just because you don't like their behavior doesn't make them fake. It just makes them awful people, and no religion (or lack thereof) is exempt from having awful in it.

If anything, a big reason why these particular awful people are so out of control is because too many in the rest of their religion have spent way too long blaming others for the bad behavior, rather than accepting that it's a problem within their own religion that they need to deal with.

That's also why this "speaking out" is way too little, and way too late. They needed to confront this nonsense 40+ years ago. They didn't, and now they have a gigantic problem on their hands.

PS: Learn something from atheists. You know, plenty of us can't stand the mushy-headed nuttiness of Bill Maher, or the xenophobia of Sam Harris. We have disagreed, often vehemently, with some of the things Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens would say or stand for.

What we don't do is deny that they're atheists when confronted with their bad behavior, because calling them "false" or "fake" atheists would be the height of dishonesty. Their being awful sometimes doesn't change either their atheism or what we believe is the correctness of their position on deities. It only means that, outside of their atheism, we accept that they can be as much of morons as anyone else. That's reality, something most atheists take great pains to face and deal with.

[GoodRaisin]

41. Sure there are.

You don’t have to actually believe in a religion to go and pretend to be part of it. Greene and Flynn don’t have anything against lying. Besides, where better to set up your propaganda operations than these evangelicals? They'll believe anything.

[PortTack]

42. Didn't need a thesis!

[elleng]

2. Good that 'Thousands of people have signed an online petition,'

and I care not whether they call themselves 'Christian' or 'Conservative,' or 'Baboon.'

[world wide wally]

3. Well, duuh

[Timewas]

4. Yes

But sure took them long enough...............Way way late

[IcyPeas]

5. good. there are crazy "pastors" and "preachers" screaming hate from their mega/maga churches.

charlatans all.

[Evolve Dammit]

6. Let's hope enough realize the road the Orange Chosen One has charted, is the end of their religion.

[paleotn]

7. Better than nothing, I guess.

but I fear Christianity has let this cancer grow for far too long. They've sat back in their pews for decades letting a lot of things fester, from money grubbing charlatans to theocratic fascists, and yet wonder why they're not taken seriously anymore by a significant portion of the population. They scratch their heads and wonder why their numbers are dwindling while "nons' are growing.

[LiberalLovinLug]

8. Who does this represent? 1/1000 in the Christian community? 1/10,000?

I have seen Christianity Today condemn Trump, the largest Christian magazine in the US. Or one of them.

And the needle didn't move a mm for these cultists.

[COL Mustard]

13. Not only that...

But they got slammed by the MAGA faithful and I think the editor had to quit.

[littlemissmartypants]

9. Yet, no mention of TFG....Hummmm.

[OMGWTF]

11. THIS! THIS! THIS!

Remember the golden Trump statue at last year's CPAC? People were worshipping it. Talk about a "Golden Calf (Cow)!"

[COL Mustard]

14. More like a

Golden Jackass.

[Collimator]

10. I have admiration and respect for the people who signed that petition.

It is good that they want to mold and direct their religion towards socially-responsible, compassionate values.

However, like many others, I bristle just a bit at the designation of "true Christians". Despite the protestations of some that "Christianity is not a religion" because it sprang from God's actions towards humans, i.e. Jesus sacrificing himself to provide salvation, rather than people following certain practices to court God's favor and somehow earn salvation, when everything is said and done, Christianity is a human endeavor.

Human beings practice it, human beings define it and human beings promulgate it.


(There is a cute little cartoon that I tried to copy and paste into this post. But I don't know how to make it show up.)

[Elessar Zappa]

16. Do you realize that the most loyal part of our base, African-Americans,

are the most religious subgroup in this country? If all liberal Christians went away, we’d never win another election.

[Celerity]

26. And from some of the most fundie ones comes problematic misogyny and/or homophobia, etc, which

they themselves often use the buybull to justify.

There is not much that is 'liberal' and/or tolerant about some of those beliefs.

As a mixed race black woman myself I utterly refuse to put my entire Democratic Party-voting (let alone the Rethug-voting ones) racial cohort into some nearly untouchable bubble, immune from criticism.

Growing up in London, some of the first and most virulent homophobia and misogyny I encountered was from Africans and also West Indians, including some from my mum's side of my family (mummy is from Barbados), especially back on Bim. Other Caribbean islands and their diasporas are just as bad (certain parts, to a degree), if not worse than Bajans, and some (obviously not all) Africans take it to insane levels.

[Elessar Zappa]

34. I'm not saying anyone should be protected from criticism.

But our big tent includes moderate and liberal Christians, that’s just the way it is. Of course, they shouldn’t expect their religious views to be used when formulating policy or anything like that.

[durablend]

18. Agreed

Open the trap door, let them fall where they belong and leave the rest of us the hell alone (no pun intended--maybe)

[keithbvadu2]

27. Maybe the rapture has already happened... and they are still here with us.

Maybe the rapture has already happened... and they are still here with us.

[keithbvadu2]

30. How can you tell if the end-times preachers believe in what they preach?

How can you tell if the end-times preachers believe in what they preach?

Are they accumulating worldly wealth with their books and rallies?

Link to tweet

[Xolodno]

39. The Rature...I mean Rapture...is bullshit.

The idea of it was created in the late 1800's and evangelical churches "say" its not required to believe in it. But if you point out the crazy interpretational gymnastics, they go nuts on you.

Prior to its introduction, the rapture was never mentioned nor even a teaching of the Apostles. And quite frankly, it goes against the teachings of the time. It's a new "interpretation" that has very little merit. Of course, I also point out that the Apocalypse of Peter was once listed as one of the books of the Bible from the very earliest lists (and the Gospel of Thomas found in Egypt is likely the earliest copy from the Apostles), but they get very red faced....how dare I present historical facts.

[GenThePerservering]

15. Maybe thse "Xtians" can all rapture outta here

and the rest of us can start cleaning the place up.

[ancianita]

17. Do these petitioners against false prophets know who her election opponent is? Just wondering.

It's cool that they're blasting Republicans, but it's still the district's voters who'll decide if Marcus Flowers should win.
Let's hope this effort influences this red district to drive her out.

[lindysalsagal]

21. It's about effing time.

[Aussie105]

22. False prophets?

You are joking, surely?

False? Yes!
Prophets, never!
Clowns, rabble rousers, hate mongers, manipulators, insane people, maybe. But prophets?

Who bestowed that title on them?

My response to someone who wants a serious label put next to their name as their public image is always the same . . . Show me who you are, don't tell me who you want me to think you are!
Really, are people that gullible?

TFG fell over at that hurdle early on, with some of the self-proclaimed descriptors he came out with. "The Apprentice" days, actually.
Same for a lot of Republican politicians.
And now, Elon Musk.

[SergeStorms]

23. But nothing about an orange, elephantine false prophet...

who happens to be the leader of all those others? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

It would have been infinitely easier to say, "Donald Trump and his acolytes". See? Much easier.

[Skittles]

24. good

now condemn THE ENTIRE FUCKING GOP

[Beachnutt]

25. Matthew 7:15-20

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits

[bluestarone]

28. Thousands? Thousands?

This FN number SHOULD be in the MULTI-MILLIONS!!

[BlueIdaho]

29. Too bad it's going to take millions...

But hey - if American Christians don’t mind their religion being turned into a racist, sexist, violent cult - who am I to complain?

[Beachnutt]

31. Flynn is running a domestic terrorist training camp

down in Sarasota Florida called the Hollow it should be treated as such by the doj.

[lees1975]

32. It's more than you might think, and every vote counts, so keep them coming.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/11/is-is-morally-wrong-for-christians-to.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/10/marjorie-taylor-greene-preaches-another.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/09/we-keep-calling-it-out-white-christian.html

[keithbvadu2]

33. A few thousand outliers vs many millions of mainstream cult Christians.

A few thousand outliers vs many millions of mainstream cult Christians.

Congregation replaced pastor after this controversial sermon about Trump

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

[dchill]

38. "False Prophets" - but TRUE Profits.