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The new NBC poll shows the threat to our democracy is now the #1 issue for voters. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Nov 2022 OP
This is the issue since WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #1
True, but this is the first poll I have seen were it is the #1 issue among voters. fightforfreedom Nov 2022 #2
It's a great sign WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #5
How Is It RobinA Nov 2022 #32
Believe it indicates more people will be voting blue to keep/save Democracy KS Toronado Nov 2022 #40
One party supports Democracy and that is the Democratic Party WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #45
I think Obama would be in his 4th term right now Polybius Nov 2022 #13
While the world may be in a much better place right now WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #46
Last one I saw a day or so ago, concern for democracy had moved up calimary Nov 2022 #28
Really?...... Lovie777 Nov 2022 #3
You forgot inflation durablend Nov 2022 #16
It was the #1 issue in their poll last month too FBaggins Nov 2022 #4
They also make economy and cost of living two different questions Sympthsical Nov 2022 #10
Do you think people that pick "inflation..." W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #20
Because you then read the tabs Sympthsical Nov 2022 #29
Thank you for proving my point... W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #37
Literally just ignored the data Sympthsical Nov 2022 #39
I know you are wont to delve into personal stories... W_HAMILTON Nov 2022 #48
Republicans are not big on democracy. Instead of calling our country a Democratic Republic Emile Nov 2022 #11
That's because the "originalist" Republicans try to convince people that all the amendments Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #25
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2022 #50
ALRIGHTY NOW!!!!!!!!! Peacetrain Nov 2022 #6
Not really. Sympthsical Nov 2022 #7
Unfortunately all of this Amishman Nov 2022 #12
It absolutely does Sympthsical Nov 2022 #17
Economics and Abortion are one issue Wibly Nov 2022 #18
I think the threat to democracy being a #1 issus is a very good sign for us. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #33
The WaPo poll shows the issue split Sympthsical Nov 2022 #35
It's like the ubiquitous "is the country headed in the right direction?" question. progressoid Nov 2022 #49
It better fucking be! Otherwise, it's already lost. KPN Nov 2022 #8
About Fucking Time! BlueIdaho Nov 2022 #9
About time republianmushroom Nov 2022 #14
The worlds at war against oligarchs. Russian, American, European, Asian take your pick. BradBo Nov 2022 #15
Yet many of the pundits are panning Biden for pointing this out Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 #19
I'd guess half of those "threat to democracy" votes are election deniers. Hamlette Nov 2022 #21
Unfortunately, true. GoodRaisin Nov 2022 #51
Everyday I post memes on Facebook stating our democracy is on the line kimbutgar Nov 2022 #22
If you close with strength, you win bucolic_frolic Nov 2022 #23
Then they need to vote like it. AngryOldDem Nov 2022 #24
Any link to this story? n/t aggiesal Nov 2022 #26
But how was it worded? I can see MAGA answering as if Dems are the threat... NullTuples Nov 2022 #27
+1 Kaleva Nov 2022 #42
Ranking issues doesn't tell any story to me. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #30
I imagine that article about white suburban women turning to the GOP Warpy Nov 2022 #31
If that is true, Democrats should win with a landslide. Martin68 Nov 2022 #34
Is we one poll that showed it split 50/50 ColinC Nov 2022 #36
I saw this was the #2 concern PXR-5 Nov 2022 #38
Magahats believe left wing radicals are a serious threat to democracy Kaleva Nov 2022 #41
Keep in mind that can mean different things for different party voters iemanja Nov 2022 #43
Are We Sure? ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #44
Video from 1 month ago Quixote1818 Nov 2022 #47
K and R oasis Nov 2022 #52
Guess who else thinks this? MAGAts. live love laugh Nov 2022 #53
If true, that's probably good TheFarseer Nov 2022 #54
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
2. True, but this is the first poll I have seen were it is the #1 issue among voters.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:15 PM
Nov 2022

If the Democrats do well this election I am going to give a lot of credit to Obama. People listen to Obama and he has been campaigning on this issue. Our democracy is at risk. Vote!

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
5. It's a great sign
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:20 PM
Nov 2022

The world is at war between the authoritative tyrants versus liberal democracies. There is no middle and if we lose our collective lives will suffer.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
32. How Is It
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:10 PM
Nov 2022

a great sign? My Trumper neighbor thinks socialist libtards are a threat to democracy. I think he and his fellow MAGAs are a threat to democracy. We agree on the existence of a threat, but have very different ideas about what that threat is.

KS Toronado

(17,270 posts)
40. Believe it indicates more people will be voting blue to keep/save Democracy
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:43 PM
Nov 2022

That's why it's a great sign IMO, hopefully idiots like your neighbor will be a dying breed.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
45. One party supports Democracy and that is the Democratic Party
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:29 PM
Nov 2022

The republican party is against the democratic process. The only way they win is if they depress voter turn out gerrymandering and cheat. Republicans have said so. They do not want to expand voter rights, hours, the ability to hand out water in the south where they make it as miserable as possible to vote. Blue states expand and want everyone to vote.

Your republican neighbor would not know political theory if it hit them upside the head.

Ask them to compare and contrast socialism and democracy.

Then name all the countries in Europe that have both.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
46. While the world may be in a much better place right now
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:32 PM
Nov 2022

I am in favor of term limits. Look at Obama picture day one vs. eight years later. The job takes a huge toll.

calimary

(81,335 posts)
28. Last one I saw a day or so ago, concern for democracy had moved up
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:51 PM
Nov 2022

to second place from much farther down.

Glad it’s up too now - where it belongs.

Pardon the pun but DEMOCRACY deserves to - um - trump everything else.

Lovie777

(12,290 posts)
3. Really?......
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:15 PM
Nov 2022

I keep seeing articles saying inflation, crimes, inflation, crimes, Pres Biden's un-approval ratings, Democrats in disarray, inflation and crimes, fading abortion issue.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
4. It was the #1 issue in their poll last month too
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:17 PM
Nov 2022

The same goes for September and August.

The problem there is that "threat to our democracy" is up there for both parties. The poll doesn't break down who they think the threat is.

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
10. They also make economy and cost of living two different questions
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:27 PM
Nov 2022

I mean, with inflation, they're kind of synonymous things to most people. If you combine those two results into one question - as many other polls do - you see very similar numbers where it's the biggest concern by far.

And you make the same point I did. Why do people think people who pick "Threats to democracy" are all Democrats? Because Kari Lake would like a word . . .

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
20. Do you think people that pick "inflation..."
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:10 PM
Nov 2022

...are all anti-Democrats or all plan to vote against Democrats?

I mean, while we are questioning the rationale behind these picks, let's be sure to question their underlying assumptions all around. Someone can see inflation as a big problem, but also realize that it is a global problem that no one country can solve alone, much less our country's Republicans, who -- as Obama rightly said -- are proposing the same """solutions""" for that they do everything else: tax cuts for the rich.

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
29. Because you then read the tabs
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

If your biggest concern is inflation, which party do you favor? Who's prioritizing it? The polls ask that, and you can see the results in the tabs. Guess who's favored when the inflation question comes up?

Who do you trust to manage it? Well, let's look at the WaPo/ABC poll from today that currently has generalized congressional preference at 48R/47D. So it's about where other polls are.

We're scooting down to Question 8 that begins on page 6 of the data.

"Which political party, the (Democrats) or the (Republicans) do you trust to do a
better job handling X?"

a. The economy - 51% R / 37% D

h. Threats to democracy- 42%R / 43% D

The poll tabs look at these breakdowns.

I get people read no further than poll headlines and wait until someone on Twitter has cherry-picked the number that makes them feel best, but the data is there for everyone to read.

Reality is generally a data-based thing. If people want to build castles in the sky with airy speculative mortar, I can't do anything about that.

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
37. Thank you for proving my point...
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:23 PM
Nov 2022

...that just because someone lists a particular issue as an important issue for them, it is not a proxy of who they will be voting for, since no one party has a monopoly over any of the main issues -- including even the economic ones.

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
39. Literally just ignored the data
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:43 PM
Nov 2022

Look, I can't make anyone read obvious things. It's the Internet, where social media are about feeling the fantasy.

Relatedly, I got roped into reading to children earlier in the week. I had to do a story about Mack the Turtle. Amusing enough. I went with a nervous British accent that was a big hit with the little ones.

So, oi.

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
48. I know you are wont to delve into personal stories...
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:05 PM
Nov 2022

...but I prefer when you stick to the data, which -- as you correctly pointed out, and which I did read -- shows that there are a healthy amount of Democrats even in those economic factors that pundits try and give completely over to the Republicans.

Thanks for that!

Emile

(22,798 posts)
11. Republicans are not big on democracy. Instead of calling our country a Democratic Republic
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:32 PM
Nov 2022

they call it a Republic. They intentionally leave out the Democratic part that we learned about in school.

Lonestarblue

(10,024 posts)
25. That's because the "originalist" Republicans try to convince people that all the amendments
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:26 PM
Nov 2022

passed the first ten are illegitimate because they are not original to the Constitution.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
50. Exactly
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:16 PM
Nov 2022

Plus, that #1 spot is 23% of voters, which means that 77% of voters don’t see it as the top issue.

I’m making no predictions for Tuesday, but while good news, I don’t see this is as nearly the big deal that others do.

YMMV

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
7. Not really.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:24 PM
Nov 2022

Economy is still the top choice. The poll separates out "Jobs and Economy" from "Cost of Living" which are often combined in inflation concerns. If you just pick the first choice and ignore the other data that is right next to it, you may believe the attempted narrative.

It's important to read the tabs to understand what polls are saying.

I'll also note "Threats to democracy" include the Kari Lakes of the world. Reading it as everyone thinking about it in the same way as we do is a grave, grave mistake. There are plenty of Big Lie types who are very much of a mind that democracy is being stolen from them.

The 48/47 number is encouraging, though. The general ballot seems to have tightened a bit. I wonder if that was the attack on Paul Pelosi and the insanity of the response to it. At this stage, how undecideds break can be determinative in a close election. The Right picked an odd week to let the insanity flag fly.

With numbers that close, I still think we lose the House, 218-225 area. I have been feeling better about the Senate in recent days. 50-51, with 52 possible. It feels like that's about my final prediction.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
12. Unfortunately all of this
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:48 PM
Nov 2022

Their 'stolen election' stuff would likely fall into this category - in their minds.

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
17. It absolutely does
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:05 PM
Nov 2022

Some people seem to see that number and think it's all Democrats or people who feel as we do about Trump and the Right.

Anyone who spends any time reading spaces on the Right (as I do) knows that is very much not the case. There are plenty on that side who are worked up about this stuff. I keep noting Kari Lake because she's such a bright example of the breed, but there are hundreds of other people running for office just like her putting out similar messages.

Wibly

(613 posts)
18. Economics and Abortion are one issue
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:07 PM
Nov 2022

Yeah, and the kicker is, to most women, the economy equate directly to the cost of child rearing. The most expensive aspect of their lives is keeping food on the table, a roof over their heads, and the light on, let alone what it costs to have them educated.
Women equate the cost of living to child bearing. They are not going to separate the two.
If is great folly to think that women are not going to directly equate their personal economy with the number of mouths they have to feed.
Add on top of that the fact that GOPers are moving to restrict women's control over the number of mouths they have to feed will not cause the economic concerns to break in favor of the GOP.

Sympthsical

(9,077 posts)
35. The WaPo poll shows the issue split
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:16 PM
Nov 2022

Which party will better handle threats to democracy. The results are 43D/42R.

That's the problem with not knowing or understanding what the Right discusses among themselves. People make these assumptions based on what's going on within their own limited circles and not seeing the obvious problem.

In this case, a lot of people on the Right have their own form of "Worrying about democracy" this cycle. Kari Lake's trying to ride it to victory as we speak.

And, again, threat to democracy isn't the #1 issue. The OP is reading the poll in a very specific way. It continues to be the economy and inflation.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
49. It's like the ubiquitous "is the country headed in the right direction?" question.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:07 PM
Nov 2022

I would answer no. And my right wing neighbors would also answer no but for COMPLETELY different reasons.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
9. About Fucking Time!
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 01:26 PM
Nov 2022

Now that the GQP has declared a war on our constitution, threatened to end Social Security, openly hates women and Jews, embraces Nazis, Putin, North Korea, and global fascism - maybe it’s time for people to wake the fuck up and see the enemy within.

Let’s just hope it’s not too late.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
22. Everyday I post memes on Facebook stating our democracy is on the line
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:13 PM
Nov 2022

I really tried to not be political on Facebook but losing our democracy is the most crucial thing in our country now.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
24. Then they need to vote like it.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:23 PM
Nov 2022

I’m not so sure they will, though.

But they’ll wake up on Wednesday, or in a month, or in a year, or in 2024 and wonder what the hell happened to this country. Then it will be too late.

If people can’t find their way out of the lying, disinformative echo chambers, we’re done.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
27. But how was it worded? I can see MAGA answering as if Dems are the threat...
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 02:49 PM
Nov 2022

...or abortion or trans people or Black people or....MAGA don't tend to use a whole lot of critical thinking when answering such questions. They may well just answer that "the threat to Democracy" is the biggest issue because they have few real issues and they've been told Joe Biden is a threat to democracy.

And so on, especially any of the election deniers.

LakeArenal

(28,826 posts)
30. Ranking issues doesn't tell any story to me.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:08 PM
Nov 2022

If I say Economy is 1 is one thing. If my #2 is like a nano less important: Then my third is a nano and a half less important, does that really clearly define what’s most important.

If I say equality is my issue, does that means women's rights are less important. Are they the same things?

Warpy

(111,283 posts)
31. I imagine that article about white suburban women turning to the GOP
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 03:10 PM
Nov 2022

because inflation was #1 was just a lot of hooey and probably based on some woman at a suburban cocktail party whining to a GOP operative about how her cheapass husband hadn't increased her household allowance for 2 years and inflation was killing the budget.

Losing our democracy has always been the #1 issue, espeically after a bunch of unelected RWNJs overturned Roe because their religious dogma was more important to them than the rule of law they swore to uphold.

Inflation is up there, for sure, but most people understand it's a result of printing loads of money during the pandemic combined with price gouging by companies that don't want to lower their prices and lose their huge profits.

iemanja

(53,035 posts)
43. Keep in mind that can mean different things for different party voters
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:13 PM
Nov 2022

Republicans can see it as about voting integrity--their term, not mine.

ProfessorGAC

(65,081 posts)
44. Are We Sure?
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:16 PM
Nov 2022

I have concerns about polls like this because RWNJs will answer this affirmatively too, since they believe that election fraud nonsense.
So, it may rate highly but the solutions being sought might be polar opposites.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
54. If true, that's probably good
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:15 PM
Nov 2022

I say probably because delusional MAGA twits think the Ds are trying to steal the election too. However, I find this extraordinarily hard to believe.

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