Is Musk truly beyond redemption?

[Alhena]

I get that what he's doing now with Twitter is bad, but he has definitely helped Ukraine with Starlink and Tesla and SpaceX both seem like positive contributions to the world. And he reportedly hates Trump, even though he considers himself a Republican. Is it not possible Democrats could find some kind of middle ground with him instead of placing him in the "eternal enemy" camp?

[RockRaven]

1. He's always been a creepy sleazy unreliable bullshitter.

He likely always will be.

[Alhena]

3. He seems like he's all about himself, but I don't know if he's firmly in the right wing camp

I don't think it would be smart to push him there. The guy has a lot of power which can be used for good or bad.

[Demsrule86]

9. He is a right wingers. That ship has sailed.

Elon Musk declared that he’s going to vote for Republicans, saying the Democrats had become the party of “division & hate.”
The news follows months of criticizing President Joe Biden and other Democrats.

[bronxiteforever]

41. +1 exactly.

[JI7]

13. He is libertarian non religious right wing. Similar to Joe Rogan

and their loser male followers.

[womanofthehills]

35. Joe Rogan has repeatedly said he's progressive on social subjects

Even was a Bernie guy. He says he’s becoming more independent and recently said he never voted for a Republican in his life.

Musk’s Starlink has provided “battlefield communication for Ukrainian military.

“Musk’s Starlink is a low-orbit satellite constellation that provides internet service and has been crucial in Ukraine since the Russian invasion in February. Musk, the founder of the electric car company Tesla, tweeted Friday that providing Starlink cost his company $20 million a month and that he has already spent $80 million on the effort, while also putting his company at risk from Russian cyberattacks.” https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/musk-spacex-ask-pentagon-take-funding-starlink-satellite-network-helpe-rcna52343

[JI7]

48. Many right wingers like Tulsi Gabbard supported Sanders to hurt Democrats. Their support for Trump

in the GE shows this. Elon Musk was never a democrat, progressive , or liberal . He might have tried to pretend he was to appeal to those most interested in EVs . But he was always a libertarian asshole.

[Zeitghost]

58. Libertarians

Aren't for UBI and free healthcare for all like Rogan is. He's certainly not a progressive and has some interesting views to put it kindly. But the guy is not a libertarian.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

51. He literally just told his 114 million followers to vote Republican tomorrow.

[Demsrule86]

2. He turned starlink off and is now on Russia's side.

He said he would vote Gop because Democrats were the party of division etc. He does like Trump just fine. He is a right wing fascist

[Alhena]

4. It was a temporary outage, not aware of any proof that Musk ordered it done

[Disaffected]

7. Say what you will about Musk but,

he didn't "turn starlink off". I wish folks would stick to facts and not speculation stated as fact.

I doubt he "is now on Russia's side" either.

[Demsrule86]

8. Yes he did. Say he would stop funding. He also said shitty things about Democrats

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https://www.defensenews.com/battlefield-tech/c2-comms/2022/10/31/us-sending-satellite-antennas-to-ukraine-after-musks-starlink-u-turn/

[Disaffected]

19. That's a convincing argument

if I ever heard one. Care to offer any actual evidence?

[Dorian Gray]

24. Context

I despise Musk. I'm joyfully watching him twisting in the wind right now. I also think his words re: Ukraine and Russia have been problematic and horrible.

But... He personally didn't not permanently disable Starlink for the Ukrainians. He's been asking for money from the US govt. for services and there were outages, sure. And it's easy to speculate that he did it on purpose to help the russians bc of his prior words. But Ukraine still has access to it.

Info we share needs to be precise.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/04/politics/spacex-ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-internet-outage/index.html


Ukrainians are searching for an alternative. There have been outages. But Musk hasn't TURNED IT OFF for the Ukrainians.

[Disaffected]

50. "Info we share needs to be precise"

And accurate I would add.

We here often decry the misinformation and lies spread by RWers but unfortunately do not sometimes adhere to the same standards.

[Dorian Gray]

57. Definitely

[Celerity]

17. You are correct.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217326522#post16

[Celerity]

16. Starlink is still online for Ukraine.

'The Hell With It': SpaceX CEO Musk Reverses Position On Funding Satellite Internet For Ukraine

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/musk-starlink-ukraine-funding-spacex/32084855.html

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk now says that his company will continue to pay for the Starlink satellite Internet service for Ukraine, a day after suggesting SpaceX could no longer afford it. "The hell with it," Musk said on Twitter. "Even though Starlink is still losing money & other companies are getting billions of taxpayer $, we'll just keep funding ukraine govt for free."

Link to tweet

Musk activated Starlink, a network of more than 2,000 satellites orbiting the Earth and thousands of terminals on the ground, in late February after Internet services were disrupted because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Starlink has cost SpaceX $80 million thus far and the cost will exceed $100 million by end of year, Musk said on Twitter on October 7.

He told his more than 108 million Twitter followers on October 14 that SpaceX cannot fund the network “indefinitely” amid reports that he has asked the Pentagon to step in. He issued the statement after CNN reported that SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon last month saying it could not continue to fund the Starlink service in Ukraine and that it may have to stop funding it unless the U.S. military gives the company tens of millions of dollars a month.

The Defense Department later confirmed that it received a request from Musk to take over funding for the satellite network. The official said the issue has been discussed in meetings and senior leaders are weighing the matter.

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[Scrivener7]

25. He has two hundred billion dollars in his pocket. What else is he going to spend it on?

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At $100 million per year, that means he could fund it for a thousand years before going through his first hundred billion.

And providing it and then telling the US they have to take it over during a war is pretty gross blackmail.

[genxlib]

29. That math doesn't add up.

You are off by a factor of 100.

The point is valid but the math is skewed

[Scrivener7]

30. 200,000,000,000 divided by 100,000,000 equals 2000.

Two hundred billion divided by 100 million equals 2 thousand.

ETA: I see what you are saying. My statement was "first billion" instead of first hundred billion. I've corrected.

[womanofthehills]

37. Elon Musk says SpaceX won't turn off Starlink satellite regardless of Defense Department funding

CNN
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Elon Musk said Sunday that SpaceX’s satellite internet service Starlink, which provides crucial telecommunication services in Ukraine, would not be shut off regardless of whether the company receives funding from the US Defense Department https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-us-funding/index.html

[Cracklin Charlie]

5. He's kind of a Nazi.

A chaos agent. There’s no middle ground.

I’m sick of the multi-national self-entitled billionaire persona. They’re bad for democracy.

[womanofthehills]

42. I don't think a Nazi would be helping Ukraine generals with battlefield communications

People don’t even know who was a major stockholder of Twitter before Elon bought it. Prince Alwaleed of Saudi’s Arabia has been a major stockholder of Twitter for 10 yrs and owned more stock than Jack Dorsey - he rolled over his stocks to Elon.

Remember these headlines

Saudi prince, who is major Twitter shareholder, rejects Elon Musk offer to buy company

A Saudi prince, who is major Twitter shareholder, says he will reject Elon Musk’s $43bn offer to buy the company.

Al Waleed bin Talal took to Twitter to say that he was rejecting the entrepreneur’s cash offer for the social media platform because it was too low. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi-prince-major-twitter-shareholder-171929382.html

Interesting- at one point AlWaleed was the fourth richest man in the world, but after his cousin Mohammed bin Salmon arrested him - he had to give Saudi government holdings 17% of his holdings. https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2018/03/13/555273/Saudi-billionaire-Prince--Alwaleed-bin-Talal-travel-ban

[48656c6c6f20]

10. Redemption is only granted to those that make amends

So no the fuckwad doesn't deserve shit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. I haven't seen any hope whatsoever :(. We are in cancel culture)

Wish there was someone who could advise and get through to him. But must not be. He just posted this very ominous veiled threat to Kathy Griffin! What the what?

It's like he's purposely running what was a good company to the ground

[womanofthehills]

44. Actually, Elon said if you impersonate him on Twitter

You must post it’s a parody account. Many people don’t get satire and thought Kathy posting under Elon’s name was really Elon posting.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. Ya he's GOT to stop that idiotic behavior. Did

See good post. "We love you Elon (parody)"

[JI7]

12. He has always been a piece of shit

[dalton99a]

14. Nobody "pushed" Elon Musk to the right. He has always been a racist and a fascist.

Yes, fascist, not libertarian

Musk is a world-class narcissist and liar, just like Trump

Don't wait for the asshole to improve or to demonstrate any sort of human empathy or decency

[herding cats]

15. I think his role in SpaceX is terrifying.

It could easily be used against the US. The same with Starlink.

He's all that's wrong with our current plan to privatize everything, personified.

He's in it to win it. But he has no affiliation beyond himself. How could this ever end well for we Americans, just because he's currently aligning with us?

[CentralMass]

18. I don't know but I don't want to contribute even a cent to his bottom line.

[Demsrule86]

38. Horrific allegations of racism against Musk. This is not someone we can support.

So says California’s civil rights agency in a lawsuit filed against the electric-vehicle maker in Alameda County Superior Court on Thursday on behalf of thousands of Black workers after a decade of complaints and a 32-month investigation.

Tesla segregated Black workers into separate areas that its employees referred to as “porch monkey stations,” “the dark side,” “the slave ship” and “the plantation,” the lawsuit alleges.

Only Black workers had to scrub floors on their hands and knees, and they were relegated to the Fremont, Calif., factory’s most difficult physical jobs, the suit states.

The N-word and other racist slurs were hurled daily at Black workers at Tesla’s California plant, delivered not just by fellow employees but also by managers and supervisors.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-02-11/la-fi-tesla-race-discri

[BlueGreenLady]

20. After his tweet about Paul Pelosi??

He’s unredeemable for me.

[Rstrstx]

21. If he can get Republicans to buy EVs and solar panels then he's good for something

Progressives will embrace EVs as they become more widely available but for us to have a fighting chance we need everyone on-board, especially Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

33. You can by better EV from other companies. Don't give Musk a dime. I would bet he funds right winger

And he is a serial sexual harassed. He hates Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

40. He is good for nothing. He savagely mistreated Black workers and encouraged others to do the samee

I posted the details.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

22. I don't really care if he became a Democrat...

... if he's a narcissistic asshole. And he seems like a permanent narcissistic asshole to me.

I never liked Trump, even back in the days when he supposedly had Democratic beliefs. He was clearly self-absorbed, so his alleged beliefs were meaningless anyway. Trump only cares about Trump, like Musk only cares about Musk.

EDIT: This German physicist did a nice job explaining Musk's "longtermist" philosophy -- i.e., it's an excuse to be heartless today:

[Dorian Gray]

23. Nobody is "beyond redemption"

but his ego and stupidity get in the way of him wanting to be "redeemed."

[Demsrule86]

43. He is a racist POS.

[Dorian Gray]

56. Yep

[Scrivener7]

26. No single person should have as much power as he does.

[rogue emissary]

27. The guy that runs a company that lost multiple million dollars

racial discrimination lawsuits.

Nope, he is unredeemable and there is no common ground with a racist and also anti-trans bigot.

[AngryOldDem]

28. Yes. n/t.

[Johnny2X2X]

31. He's another malignant narcissist

Very similar personality to Trump, he's a malignant narcissist if not a sociopath and a sadist. He gets pleasure from seeing others suffer.

And he's wielding immense power having total control of Twitter. We're already seeing how he can control the narrative by only promoting Right Wing talking points.

But I think his weakness is that he really wants to be lied or at least respected. Twitter is going to be an endless source of troubl for him in that regard.

[dembotoz]

32. perhaps when tesla and twitter become union shops

and that ain't gonna happen

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. lol why tho

[2naSalit]

36. Nope.

[Maeve]

39. He'd have to develop humility

And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for THAT to happen

[BootinUp]

45. Musk doesn't want redemption. He would like to poke you in the eye for asking. lol.

[LiberalFighter]

46. There is nothing worth redeeming for him. He is a creep!

[hamsterjill]

47. I think he is an unstable genius.

I don’t think his intelligence can be ignored, but in my opinion, he’s just all over the map and can’t stay focused on any one thing very long. He bores easily and I don’t think he has the ability to care much about others and/or ramifications for his actions.

What does that all mean? It means it’s my opinion and that all.

[hunter]

49. He attached himself like a tick to the hopes and dreams of people who believed in "progress."

All for his own wealth and self-aggrandizement.

He's always been a racist, he's always been a fascist, he's always been a creep, but lately he's having a lot more trouble concealing it.

I used to loathe Bill Gates and still think Gates sucked all the joy out of early personal computing, but everyone always knew Gates was a shark, and sharks have a place in any oceanic ecosystem. And I think Gates eventually did redeem himself somewhat when he got bored with being a shark and realized he wasn't immortal.

Elon Musk is a different sort of creature. I've always imagined him as the science fiction character who'd get himself thrown out of an airlock half way to Mars, screaming "I OWN THIS SHIP, I OWN YOU!" with his last breath.

Maybe he'll find some sort of enlightenment in this Twitter misadventure, but I doubt it. Musk is a lot like Trump. He's the center of his own universe.

From the perspective of guys like Trump or Musk there are only three types of people in the world -- those who are useful to them, those who are useless, and those who threaten them. People like Trump or Musk are dangerous, especially when they feel threatened.

[Demsrule86]

52. Yeah, he is.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217327744

[Caliman73]

54. What are the worst "excesses" of the Democratic Party?

Universal Healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, teaching accurate American History, what else? That the average American has better protection against the greed of the wealthiest people in the US.

That is what the "excesses" of the Democratic Party are.

[GoCubsGo]

55. Yes. Yes, he is.

Eloon is standing on the shoulders of a whole lot of better, smarter people. All of his "contributions" came because of them. BTW, Tesla stock is currently taking a huge dump because of his behavior.