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Ohio Joe

(21,760 posts)
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:56 PM Nov 2022

The Word 'Homosexual' Is in the Bible by Mistake: The Explosive Documentary That Is Under Attack

The first time the word “homosexual” appeared in the Bible was in 1946. That year, a committee gathered to translate an updated English version of the book from the Greek. Religious scholars, priests, theologists, linguists, anthropologists, and activists have done decades of research and investigation into the instances where the word appears in the book. Their conclusion is that it was a mistranslation.

In other words, the Biblical assertion that homosexuality is a sin—the catalyst for an entire shift in culture, with political repercussions, religious implications, consequences for LGBT rights and acceptance, and, frankly, deadly results—was, they allege, a mistake.

As a new film asserts, it was “the misuse of a single word that changed the course of history.”

1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted Culture is a new documentary directed by Sharon “Rocky” Roggio. Ahead of its premiere this week at the DOC NYC festival, it has, as one might expect, gone viral within the conservative and Christian communities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-word-homosexual-is-in-the-bible-by-mistake-the-explosive-documentary-that-is-under-attack/ar-AA13OWt0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8acc9aa6d7c4482c974e1a677a35631a

Lots more at the link, also here is the trailer for the documentary:



It appears the mis-translation was a mistake but that his mistake was knowingly left, was not a mistake... It was an on purpose.
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The Word 'Homosexual' Is in the Bible by Mistake: The Explosive Documentary That Is Under Attack (Original Post) Ohio Joe Nov 2022 OP
Right-wing hate-mongers don't want their religious rationale for their hatred taken away. Aristus Nov 2022 #1
I wish they would quote the book and passage in the article kimbutgar Nov 2022 #2
It's an advertisement disguised as a an article Effete Snob Nov 2022 #5
They mention one in the trailer... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #6
You have to either insert spaces or turn of auto-smilies Effete Snob Nov 2022 #8
Heh... Thank you Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #11
That makes about zero additional sense Effete Snob Nov 2022 #17
Well... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #20
Oh, I know that Effete Snob Nov 2022 #21
Just read that passage kimbutgar Nov 2022 #13
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is mentioned specifically in the video Bongo Prophet Nov 2022 #7
The word "homosexual" is a Greek-Latin portmanteau coined in the 19th century CE gratuitous Nov 2022 #3
All well and good but Doc Sportello Nov 2022 #4
I know, right? Effete Snob Nov 2022 #10
Okay, but Jilly_in_VA Nov 2022 #9
From the article Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #12
Mistranslated in WHAT? Effete Snob Nov 2022 #18
It's beyond silly Effete Snob Nov 2022 #14
fyi Lurker Deluxe Nov 2022 #15
I'm a habitual reviler Effete Snob Nov 2022 #19
King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10. Translated in 1611 Hekate Nov 2022 #16
Two millennia ago in the Roman Empire, sexuality was thought of in completely different terms. roamer65 Nov 2022 #22
Christianity has had its message contaminated almost from the beginning. It's far easier to peddle Karadeniz Nov 2022 #23

Aristus

(66,398 posts)
1. Right-wing hate-mongers don't want their religious rationale for their hatred taken away.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:59 PM
Nov 2022

Bottom line.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
2. I wish they would quote the book and passage in the article
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:06 PM
Nov 2022

I have an old Bible from the 1930’s that I keep for biblical reference.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. It's an advertisement disguised as a an article
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:12 PM
Nov 2022

It's some advance publicity for a film in which, apparently, we are supposed to believe there is only one English version of the Bible on which everyone agrees.

I doubt Leviticus 18:22 was mistranslated in the preparation of any particular English version of the Bible.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
8. You have to either insert spaces or turn of auto-smilies
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:15 PM
Nov 2022

But they think Leviticus 18:22 has been consistently translated correctly?

Ohio Joe

(21,760 posts)
11. Heh... Thank you
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:24 PM
Nov 2022

As for Leviticus... At the 2:16 mark of the trailer it is pointed out as one of the places the mistranslation was used so... No, I don't think they thought it was consistently translated.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
17. That makes about zero additional sense
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:45 PM
Nov 2022

Leviticus was originally written in Hebrew and all of the oldest sources for it are Hebrew, for obvious reasons. It is only translated from Hebrew.

First Corinthians was written in Koine Greek and is translated from Koine Greek.

You would not "mistranslate" the same "word" in Leviticus and First Corinthians, because, first of all, the oldest source versions of those two books are not even written in the same language.

Secondly, the word "homosexual" is not used in Leviticus 18:22, which uses an empirical definition of "who lays with a man as with a woman".

Ohio Joe

(21,760 posts)
20. Well...
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:50 PM
Nov 2022

I'm not a bible scholar... Nor do they specifically mention that passage in the trailer, it just gets splashed on the screen so I'm guessing. You would have to ask them about it, I just don't know.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
21. Oh, I know that
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:52 PM
Nov 2022

"You would have to ask them about it"

That's what clickbait is all about.

It's not a news article. It's an advertisement to watch a film.

A lot of "reporting" is like that.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
13. Just read that passage
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

It would also make adulterers which make it that TFG couldn’t inherit the kingdom of God. And the idolaters who worship TFG also couldn’t make it either. And the effeminate ahem Lindsey Graham.

And don’t get me started on fornicators ( I’m guilty) abusers of themselves ( tattoos, drug abusers, and people into S&M) ( I’m not anti tattoo)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. The word "homosexual" is a Greek-Latin portmanteau coined in the 19th century CE
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:08 PM
Nov 2022

So that word couldn't possibly have been used by writers nearly two millennia earlier.

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
4. All well and good but
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:10 PM
Nov 2022

Why should anything in the bible impact laws in a nation in which separation of church and state is a fundamental principle? I know that in all practicality it has and continues to do so because of autocratic power, racism, misogyny, etc. and the many other guiding lights of fascism. In the end, this discovery will mean nothing to the christofascists.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
10. I know, right?
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:19 PM
Nov 2022

But I want to hear more about all these Christian churches that were tolerant of homosexuality prior to 1946, when they all changed and nobody seems to have noticed.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,984 posts)
9. Okay, but
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:18 PM
Nov 2022

what they are not saying here is what it should be. I am not going to sit down and watch an entire movie just to find out one word.

Ohio Joe

(21,760 posts)
12. From the article
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

1946 takes a journalistic, academic approach to substantiating these claims. Poring over thousands of historical documents, centuries of ancient texts, and Bible translations in many languages, the experts in the film conclude that two Greek words were mistranslated to mean homosexual. One more accurately means effeminate. The other connotes a person who was a sexual abuser and who had harmed someone.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. Mistranslated in WHAT?
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:48 PM
Nov 2022

There are a bunch of different English versions. Which one are they talking about, because not all of them use the word "homosexual" anyway.

If they are trying to say there's been some kind of big historical misunderstanding since 1946, then it would be interesting to know why they think only one of the multitude of English Bible versions somehow caused all English speaking Christians - who apparently agree on this one particular un-named Bible version - to suddenly reject homosexuals, which they had already been enthusiastically doing for quite some time without this translation.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
14. It's beyond silly
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:26 PM
Nov 2022

There are a lot of English translations, and many include a footnote to the effect that the meaning of certain words used in the oldest sources is unclear.

The idea that Christian churches - of any variety - were tolerant of homosexuality but for one translation that was made and not used by most or all of them in 1946, requires a peculiar ignorance of reality.

The King James Version - still most popular of Bible bangers, says:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

The Revised Standard Version - long a mainstay of mainstream Protestant churches, says:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,

The updated New Revised Standard Version:

9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes,(fn a) men who engage in illicit sex,(fn b)

...with footnotes stating the words used are disputed and unclear.

It's kind of a pointless thesis, unless they are also going to explain which is the one "correct" English version upon which everyone agrees, or has agreed since 1946, since there is no such thing. It's probably meant for people who aren't familiar with Bible translation and its various schools of thought.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
15. fyi
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:37 PM
Nov 2022

1 Corinthians 6 –10 — The New King James Version (NKJV) 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6 -10
King James Version
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

They got me with quite a few ... fornicator being top of the list, drunkard running a close ... I dunno 4th.

LOL!

Hekate

(90,719 posts)
16. King James Version of 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10. Translated in 1611
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:38 PM
Nov 2022
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Make of that what ye will.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
22. Two millennia ago in the Roman Empire, sexuality was thought of in completely different terms.
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:57 PM
Nov 2022

As a male, you were thought to be an “alpha” if you were a “top” regardless of if it was a man or woman receiving.

Derision and dishonor generally came from being a male “bottom”.

The modern belief system is just as screwed up. No pun intended.

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2018/01/roman-sex-sexuality-slaves-and-lex-scantinia/97996

Karadeniz

(22,540 posts)
23. Christianity has had its message contaminated almost from the beginning. It's far easier to peddle
Mon Nov 7, 2022, 03:20 PM
Nov 2022

the idea that belief in Jesus constitutes practicing Christianity, despite Jesus' statement that that is not the case, than it is to find and apply Jesus' stated hidden truths. Jesus' goal was the message, not the messenger.

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