Would DeSantis have won so decisively in FL had he not gerrymandered the state?

[Samrob]

We need to wake up to the importance of Governorships.

[Raven123]

1. I don't know, but I sure seems like a lot going on there to suppress voters

[Phoenix61]

2. That's has nothing to do with it.

Gerrymandering is how we lose house and senate seats not statewide elections.

[In It to Win It]

10. Just House seats

Since Senate elections are also statewide

[Phoenix61]

12. Should have clarified. State house and senate seats. nt

[In It to Win It]

13. Ah! Gotcha

[ok_cpu]

34. I think gerrymandering can and does impact state-wide elections

The safety of the gerrymandered seats shifts the entire mid-point of the state. If the loons had to worry about re-election, they might moderate a bit. The only electorate they have to worry about is the maga primary voter.

As much as I hate to say anything that can remotely construed as positive about Portman here in Ohio, I think he's a great example. That Jordan and the others were allowed to go full crazy without recourse, pulled him to the right.

[Takket]

3. no

you can't gerrymander a gubernatorial election

but if we end up losing the house, that is 100% because of what desatan did in florida

[Tanuki]

7. We also lost Jim Cooper's seat in TN due to the gerrymandering of

solid blue Davidson County (Nashville).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/jan/25/nashville-tennessee-gerrymandering-congress-republicans

"Republican lawmakers in Tennessee gave final approval on Monday to an aggressive plan to split Nashville, a Democratic bastion, in a deeply Republican state, into several congressional districts as part of an effort to tilt the state’s congressional map in their favor. The plan is now waiting for approval from Governor Bill Lee, who is likely to sign it.

Nashville currently sits in the state’s fifth congressional district, represented by Jim Cooper, a Democrat who has held the seat for nearly 20 years. It’s a solid Democratic district – Joe Biden carried it by nearly 24 points in 2020 – but on Tuesday, Cooper from Congress.

“Despite my strength at the polls, I could not stop the general assembly from dismembering Nashville. No one tried harder to keep our city whole,” he said in a statement. “I explored every possible way, including lawsuits, to stop the gerrymandering and to win one of the three new congressional districts that now divide Nashville. There’s no way, at least for me in this election cycle, but there may be a path for other worthy candidates.”

The new districts crack the concentration of Democratic voters in Nashville and cram them into three districts that stretch across the state and are filled with reliable Republican voters. Donald Trump would have easily carried all three of the proposed districts in 2020. The plan is one of the clearest, and most brazen, efforts to dismantle a Democratic district to benefit Republicans."...(more)

[Maine Abu El Banat]

4. How does Gerrymandering

Effect the results of a statewide vote? I know he's gerrymandering the legislators but I don't understand the gov. The people of Florida have stood up again and said. "We are fucking morons"

[akbacchus_BC]

5. Hell no. He redistricted the State to benefit rethugs.

[BlueTsunami2018]

6. Yeah, Governor is a statewide election.

Districts mean nothing in that situation.

[Lunabell]

8. No.

But I lost Al Lawson to gerrymandering. 😔 😟 🙁

[Phoenix61]

15. Yea we did. I had the opportunity to meet him. I despise Dunn. nt

[In It to Win It]

9. I don't think gerrymandering made a difference here. It was a turnout game

And we lost at a turnout game. Our candidates this cycle got less votes than any other Dem candidate in the last 3 election cycles. Our Democratic strongholds didn’t turnout.

[bdamomma]

11. Probably

not he's as corrupt as the rest of them. Jerk.

Crist, and Demmings should have gotten in. Crap.

Floriduh, too red for me.

[sop]

14. Florida is no longer a national bellwether, it's a deep red state now.

[Captain Zero]

24. Same with Ohio

Of course I think DeWine pulled JD Vance across the line.

[Ms. Toad]

16. We need better civics classes

When even people politically aware enough to be involved in a political discussion board don't know that gerrymandering has no impact on a statewide candidate (or issue).

[inthewind21]

45. Indeed

It's mind boggling.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. De Santis won because Miami-Dade went for a Republican.

And this will be the case until we deprogram latino-Americans from believing that Democrats are socialists.

[sop]

22. "Socialists"? It's worse than that.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard "los Democratas todos son comunistas!" on Spanish-language media here. Spanish-language radio, tv and print media in Miami-Dade make FOX News seem liberal in comparison, and often it's the only news and commentary hispanics hear.

There's hope, though. Spanish language media landscape in Miami-Dade is changing:

"The political brawl over a Miami giant of Spanish talk radio"

"The sale of conservative Radio Mambí to Democratic owners has become a flash point in a debate about Spanish-language misinformation...Listeners calling into Radio Mambí, a popular Spanish-language talk radio station, often spend their airtime raging against Cuba’s communist leaders and the Democrats they believe are too soft on them before the producer cuts to another health insurance commercial set to a merry salsa tune...But in recent days, these callers — as well as the on-air hosts — have focused their ire on the South Florida radio giant’s soon-to-be new owners: the Latino Media Network, a start-up founded by two Latinas who built their careers working for Democrats."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/06/16/miami-radio-mambi-sale/

"A group of Spanish radio stations are being sold to a new democratic Latino group"

"18 Spanish language radio stations across the U.S., including the conservative Radio Mambi in Miami, are being sold to a new Latino media group run largely by Democrats...A shake-up in Spanish-language radio is in the works...Some are known for being ultraconservative, and the new buyer - it's a group largely run by Democrats."

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1103145047/a-group-of-spanish-radio-stations-are-being-sold-to-a-new-democratic-latino-grou

[Baitball Blogger]

23. Very important.

[mdelaguna]

26. Great news, thanks.

[Timeflyer]

27. Agree

[Sympthsical]

28. Any other minorities we need to "deprogram" while we're at it?

I swear to God, I don't know what it is about Latinos. But whenever they do anything people don't like, the commentary goes straight to being racially problematic and weird.

It's so weirdly telling how people talk about them when their white will is being thwarted in any way.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. Well, the Florida Democrats have a great deal of fault in this.

They just sat back and did nothing. They allowed the Republicans to frame them. And they seemed to have a hands off policy when it came to South Florida.

I am writing another post on how to address the deficit.

[Sympthsical]

30. I'm a little stunned by Florida

I thought DeSantis would win by ten or so, Rubio by eight.

But it's like the entire Democratic establishment down there just deflated like a poorly done souffle.

Speaking only for myself, but I found Crist just kind of demoralizing in general. I watched the debate and just kept thinking, "Really? Best we could do there? Really?"

[sop]

32. Is is ok now to point out what a thoroughly lackluster campaign Charlie Crist ran in Florida?

If Crist is the best Democrats can nominate in this state, we're screwed.

[Baitball Blogger]

38. Yup.

[Baitball Blogger]

37. Crist represents old Florida Democrats.

Florida has it's own backwater ways. The worst is that there is far more good buddyism going on between the two parties behind the scenes. And by now, enough people have been burned by it. If you're going to steal government funds through government programs, and spread the wealth to your supporters, the Republicans in this state are simply better at it.

[Elessar Zappa]

31. Hispanics aren't all like that.

We did so well in New Mexico last night precisely because we have so many faithful Hispanic Democrats.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. If we can say one thing about Latinos, it is that they

are not a homogenous group. Latinos in South Florida, that have the benefit of being a majority in a large urban area are very different than latinos in California or Texas or New Mexico.

[Elessar Zappa]

42. Exactly.

And even in NM where they form a majority in ABQ and elsewhere in the state, they’re deep blue voters.

[wryter2000]

18. You can't gerrymander a state

Its borders are its borders. You can’t move them around.

[Emile]

19. Gerrymandering works for house seats, but not for Governor or Senate seats.

[GoCubsGo]

20. Did you mean "cheating and voter suppression"?

If so, that's likely the case. Others here have already explained why gerrymandering is not the case.

[MatthewStLouis]

21. Yes.

You cannot gerrymander a statewide election. Districts within a state can be twisted to give majority state parties an advantage.Sadly, Democrats in blue states need to give up playing fair and embrace the gerrymander for the next Census cycle: it's the only way we will have representation that matches our majority.

[HAB911]

25. Cubans

Fled their own country and came here and fucked up ours

[jonstl08]

33. Not likely

Gerrymanding usually does not effect statewide races for Governor or US senator. They usually just effect State senate house and US House districts

[mcar]

35. His gerrymander helped Rs gain more congressional seats

but had nothing to do with the governor's race. I live here and I'll never understand it.

[jcgoldie]

36. gerrymandering the state does not affect the governors race

Although it did have an outsized effect on republicans picking up house seats.

[ananda]

40. Partisan gerrymandering should be completely outlawed.

I came to that conclusion years ago and still hold to it.

[sarisataka]

41. A statewide election

Can't be gerrymandered

[lark]

43. Gerrymandering and billionaires have destroyed my once great state of Fl.

Billionaires covered the air in anti-D ads and they were scary. Dems had only 1 message - abortion. They could have run on Medicare and SS and won - but NO.

[inthewind21]

44. Yes

Since everyone in the gerrymandered districts still live in the state and governor is a statewide race. Gerrymandering is ONLY useful for house races.