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One Big Loser tonight: Joe Manchin. (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 OP
sinema too so nope mucifer Nov 2022 #1
Right SCantiGOP Nov 2022 #14
Maybe some red-ripple repubs will drop their hair-furhair's asskissing... Justice matters. Nov 2022 #27
I think that's likely SCantiGOP Nov 2022 #30
not until warnock is reelected nt msongs Nov 2022 #2
He will win🌞 onetexan Nov 2022 #5
Agreed. Not until Reverend Warnock is re-elected n/t Vogon_Glory Nov 2022 #7
Still not enough. We will need to work with both Manchin and Sinema, and both were not for changing JohnSJ Nov 2022 #15
Yes but leftieNanner Nov 2022 #3
Only if we get Warnock through hlthe2b Nov 2022 #4
Even with Warnock Manchin and Sinema can be pains in the ass Blaukraut Nov 2022 #11
True enough. But Sinema should have her eyes open at what faces her in AZ for her hlthe2b Nov 2022 #13
True. She might try to hold off a primary challenge. Blaukraut Nov 2022 #22
Remember he still has Sinema by his side Stargleamer Nov 2022 #6
Really? Just how did you come to that conclusion? We will still need to work with Manchin and JohnSJ Nov 2022 #8
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #9
Except he's not, he is still there and relevant. former9thward Nov 2022 #26
That's why we've GOT TO win Georgia too. calimary Nov 2022 #10
That won't make Sinema or Manchin irrelevant. We will still need to work with both regardless of JohnSJ Nov 2022 #18
Nope, Manchin is still the most powerful man in America Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #12
Thank-you. Not sure why some forget that. What we do have is re-elected Democrats who won JohnSJ Nov 2022 #19
And unless we win the House, there won't be any bills passing Polybius Nov 2022 #29
Manchin will probably switch parties. Meadowoak Nov 2022 #16
Why? There is nothing to support that he would do that. Manchin has supported Biden's judges JohnSJ Nov 2022 #23
Since Manchin and Sinema often obstruct together... Silent3 Nov 2022 #17
Big L's to Bill Maher SunImp Nov 2022 #20
I am not sure why anyone would give any credibility to a stand up comedian for political analysis? JohnSJ Nov 2022 #24
If we hold the House we can start saying this. Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #21
I'm going to join a lot of other voices in saying, "not really." stopdiggin Nov 2022 #25
Another reason we need Warnock to win ... JCMach1 Nov 2022 #28
I bet he sees himself as a winner. I bet he prefers being in the majority karynnj Nov 2022 #31

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
27. Maybe some red-ripple repubs will drop their hair-furhair's asskissing...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:09 PM
Nov 2022

and start behaving reasonably?

For the people, not for the fascists?

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
30. I think that's likely
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:23 PM
Nov 2022

The so-called Freedom Caucus will be pushing a very radical agenda in the House, and blocking any Biden legislation.
If the House ends up with a slim GOP majority, will only take 2 or 3 of them to defect to give the Dems a working majority.

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
15. Still not enough. We will need to work with both Manchin and Sinema, and both were not for changing
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:48 PM
Nov 2022

any filibuster rules

Why Warnock, and all the Senate seats we have won in the midterms are six year terms, which should help us in 2024

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
4. Only if we get Warnock through
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:43 PM
Nov 2022

and remember the filibuster is still an issue. Still, Manchin is losing some of his hold.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
11. Even with Warnock Manchin and Sinema can be pains in the ass
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:45 PM
Nov 2022

They just have to team up to make trouble.

hlthe2b

(102,298 posts)
13. True enough. But Sinema should have her eyes open at what faces her in AZ for her
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:46 PM
Nov 2022

reelection. Not exactly the same playing field.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
22. True. She might try to hold off a primary challenge.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:57 PM
Nov 2022

But Manchin is toast in WV, imho, so he'll be free to follow his heart, which tends to reside in his wallet.

Stargleamer

(1,990 posts)
6. Remember he still has Sinema by his side
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:44 PM
Nov 2022

so if both of them vote with the Republicans he can still do damage, even if Warnock wins

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
8. Really? Just how did you come to that conclusion? We will still need to work with Manchin and
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:44 PM
Nov 2022

Sinema to get things done

Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

calimary

(81,323 posts)
10. That's why we've GOT TO win Georgia too.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:45 PM
Nov 2022

And even better: make Kyrsten Sinema irrelevant, too. She irks me even more than Manchin does!

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
18. That won't make Sinema or Manchin irrelevant. We will still need to work with both regardless of
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:52 PM
Nov 2022

what happens in the Gerorgia runoff. The advantage of getting Warnock and all Senators elected for the midterms is they are six year terms

Fiendish Thingy

(15,626 posts)
12. Nope, Manchin is still the most powerful man in America
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:46 PM
Nov 2022

Even if we get to 51 with Warnock, either Manchin’s or Sinema’s vote will still be needed. If Manchin balks at passing a bill, you can bet that Sinema will too, albeit for different stated reasons perhaps.

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
19. Thank-you. Not sure why some forget that. What we do have is re-elected Democrats who won
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:54 PM
Nov 2022

Senate races in this midterm, they have six year term which should carry us through 2024

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
23. Why? There is nothing to support that he would do that. Manchin has supported Biden's judges
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:58 PM
Nov 2022

and helped get the last piece of legislation through for us in the Senate, much to McConnel’s disappointment

Silent3

(15,235 posts)
17. Since Manchin and Sinema often obstruct together...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:51 PM
Nov 2022

...this will only help a little now and then.

Won't help for eliminating the filibuster, unless one or the other truly surprises us.

JohnSJ

(92,243 posts)
24. I am not sure why anyone would give any credibility to a stand up comedian for political analysis?
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
25. I'm going to join a lot of other voices in saying, "not really."
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

While some celebration is understandable - what we have tonight is nowhere near a bullet-proof majority. And, consequently - Joe Manchin still has an enormous amount of (outsized) power.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
31. I bet he sees himself as a winner. I bet he prefers being in the majority
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:28 PM
Nov 2022

In addition, we will have at most 51. His vote is still pretty important.

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