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UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:26 PM Nov 2022

Paraphrase of what Lincoln Project yakker just said on MSNBC:

(Paraphrase: )

"It's not looking at it correctly to say (Drumpf) cost the Republican party the election. NIXON cost them victory but it was NIXON’s problem, not the Republican party. This loss is a Republican thing: (DeSATAN) is an election denier. (ABBUTT) is an election denier. They just don’t say it with a bloody shirt. (Drumpf) didn’t change the Republican Party, he just REVEALED it. They just want power, don’t have an agenda, don’t have a philosophy, and they ran all these crazy people. JD VANCE won in Ohio. We/LincolnProject aren’t trying to save the Republican Party, we’re trying to burn it down.”






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agingdem

(7,850 posts)
3. Good.. Woodrow Wilson once said
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:31 PM
Nov 2022

"Never attempt to murder a man who is committing suicide"..I do believe this is the Trump Republican Party...

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
4. So true. Even if Trump gets sidelined, the GOP is still the same GOP...
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 02:17 AM
Nov 2022

... full of the same religious zealots, QAnon nuts, con men, racists, misogynists, hypocrites, liars, general asshats, and insurrectionist/traitors who, as a whole, have no use for decency, debate, or democracy itself.

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NJCher

(35,688 posts)
5. The
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 02:26 AM
Nov 2022

Religious zealots, QAnon et al need to go get a yoga mat.

Love the alliteration at the end of your last sentence. Good post. 🙂

wnylib

(21,498 posts)
7. But without a national leader who "speaks their language"
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 02:40 AM
Nov 2022

their numbers and influence will diminish.

Hekate

(90,717 posts)
8. I heard that. Big reason why I support the Never Trumpers at Lincoln Project...
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 02:44 AM
Nov 2022

They know the only way to save the country is to burn out the GOP.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
9. We still are outnumbered by them in The OC
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 03:11 AM
Nov 2022

I thought they were seen for what they are after they tried to destroy Obamacare/ACA, women's rights, exposed themselves as Putin puppets, and only reward themselves... ah...

That's where they always will be. Finding a way to reward themselves regardless of rules and laws. Their complaint of our being "Woke" ought to be something to aspire to. But they turn empathy and concern for others into a failing. They're greedy bastards and there are millions of them i.e. the scam industry.

I'm rambling now. You get my point though.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
10. Josh Hawley agrees!?!
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 04:40 AM
Nov 2022
Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) declared the time of death at 9:39 eastern on Saturday night.

"The old party is dead. Time to bury it," Hawley posted to social media.


https://www.rawstory.com/rip-grand-old-party/

Model35mech

(1,545 posts)
11. Since Grover Norquist, the GOP agenda has been to DROWN federal government
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 08:28 AM
Nov 2022

When they say they want an "originalist" interpretation of the Constitution, they are saying they want to return to the national organization that existed BEFORE the current Constitution.

That is to say, they want to go back to what existed before the Federal government was strong enough to provide functional, durable and stable governance... a time when the States could act like a gaggle of loosely allied sovereign states.

The milestones of this project are the steps needed obstruct the Federal system, to handicap it, and to make it incapable of satisfying functions of modern capable governance.

Norquist realized that taxation is like school cafeteria food, everyone complains about it. He also realized that destroying the federal gov't really was possible by cutting off tax-based revenue stream. Without revenue, capable government is crippled and people will become increasingly unsatisfied with it. Movements like the tea-party, and the politics of oppositional identities emerge pushing taxcuts and advocating the elimination of wasteful spending. What once were 3rd rails issues are now chopping block targets... like social security, medicare/medicaid etc.

Conservative budget stranglers find it possible to not only decry 'tax-and-spenders', but in the climate of dissatisfaction they are enabled to oppose -everything- done by their opposition in federal gov't. It all makes Federal governance seem increasingly out of step and out of control.

They are crafting and marketing beliefs that invoke dissatisfaction and beg dissolution of the dissatisfied's lives from the authority of the Federal system... It's not inaccurate to write that 'Dobbs' was a significant win for the anti-federalists' greater agenda. Moreover, it provides a model pathway for crippling federal authority and inserting in its place state sovereignty under 'States Rights'. It may not be the end of democracy, but it's surely a stumble for the cause of Federalism.


BumRushDaShow

(129,134 posts)
13. And to underscore the Grover Norquist reference - but in a more direct-impact sense
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 08:41 AM
Nov 2022

I have posted the below many times on DU in the past -



THAT speech was done 10 years ago and MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
14. That's so true. The GOP went from trashing Trump pre-election in 2015 to slobbering all over him
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 08:44 AM
Nov 2022

for years on end, afraid to say boo about anything. They deserve every loss.

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