The press keeps telling us how unpopular Joe Biden is

[CatWoman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but during Trump's entire term in office he never once hit 50% approval and the press promoted him as the second coming.

He spent most of his term hovering around the low 30's.

Biden is currently in the 40's, yet the press wants to bludgeon him and use that number as the reason Biden should not seek reelection.

Trump sought reelection with an approval rate of 34%.

[Joinfortmill]

1. Fuck the press.

[a kennedy]

3. Exactly.

[PortTack]

14. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[jrthin]

28. +1

[LymphocyteLover]

36. Amen x1000

And let's Go Dark Brandon!!

[mitch96]

42. Weren't they the people who predicted the "big red wave"? their credibility is shot...nt

[Jack the Greater]

87. I don't believe "the press" reported that a Big Red Wave was imminent.

"The press" reported what was being claimed by certain individuals.

[twodogsbarking]

74. I second that emotion.

[Magoo48]

77. Yes, they are owned, operated, censored, and directed by RW billionaires.

Some foreign outlets are better, while listener and viewer supported news is the safest.

[elleng]

2. The 'press' who does that is as full of 'bull pucky' as is tfg.

[vlyons]

4. He's a great President in my estimate

and a decent, very decent, man. And so hip and stylish in those pilot sun glasses. We are lucky to have him. Plus he calls MSM nonsense, "malarky."

[underpants]

9. In less than 2 years he's built up quite a legacy.

There are plenty of lists but this week was almost unprecedented (2002 after 9/11)

[LymphocyteLover]

37. I don't worship him, but I think he is quite awesome and so underrated by the media

[Probatim]

78. I don't worship him - I elected him to do a job and do it well.

Considering what he's up against, he's done a fan-fucking-tastic job.

The other side wants to worship someone at any cost and that's why we're in this predicament. Once one of their candidates announces they were chosen by gawd, their stock goes up with the bible thumpers. They actively want a fascist leader to save them.

[NCjack]

68. We get all of that, plus he can walk on a down ramp without fear

in his face. MSM doesn't point that out. He also can ride a bike, have a crash, and get up smiling. Trump can't do that. MSM doesn't point that out.

I have given up all MSM, except The Guardian.

[Raven123]

5. The press can't believe that no one cares what they think

[underpants]

6. 'Scuse me ma'am. As a man I can explain this to you

They need two horses. They LOOOOVES them some Trump. They’ll flog that horse for a while.

Kentuck has a good thread here. If all the polls were wrong on the election then how are they right about Joe?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217363834

[CatWoman]

12. I spoke with my baby brother a couple hours ago

He lives in Texas and we both cried in our beer about our governorship election losses.

We discussed this issue as well.

I wish I had seen this prior to talking to him.

Thanks

[underpants]

17. We won big and deeeep down ballots.

All over the place.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. Biden will be above 50% approval soon

This election was huge for him and inflation is now started to fall.

[onetexan]

8. +1. The MSM needs to STFU. Same with biased pollsters.

[Mr. Ected]

10. Turn off the boob tube

And don't get your news from subjective sources.

The media is not a friend of the people. They, in tandem with Republicans, want to suffocate democracy with capitalism. The less we listen to their tainted messages, the more efficiently we can defeat them.

[BigmanPigman]

19. Hear hear!

[Ligyron]

66. Preach it!

[C Moon]

90. I stopped getting my news from tv 10 years ago.

[TigressDem]

11. #45 is the THIRD WORST President as of 9/13/22 Biden 19th from the TOP

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/


DONNIE previewed at 5th from the Bottom and moved DOWN.


BIDEN is 19th FROM THE TOP -- and he isn't DONE YET

It's always difficult to accurately rate a president who is still in office, but historians like Biden for his integrity, ability to compromise and his executive and court appointments.

However, he scores lower in his relationship with Congress and ability to communicate.

[Poiuyt]

39. I just can't believe that Trump is that good

I think when all is said and done, he'll be considered the worst. Buchanan and Johnson never attempted a coup.

[Lucky Luciano]

48. John Tyler was a traitor who joined the confederacy.

He was a member in their House of Representatives. What a disgraceful piece of shit!

[Poiuyt]

56. But he didn't do that while he was president

[TigressDem]

93. Yeah, the people making these comparissons wait for final results.

So when a President is newly elected or just out of office, the effects of their Presidency is not always seen immediately.

Also because people are "innocent until PROVEN guilty" all these suits against tRUMP might not count until after the final result happens. So when he is in jail or hanged for treason... that will dump him to the bottom.

[relayerbob]

13. Meh

First off, who cares what the press thinks, being President isn't about popularity, it's about doing the right things for the country. Sometimes, they won't like it.

Second, don't compare Biden to Trump. Just...... don't

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. Hmmm. Not about being popular? Not sure agree with that.

[LakeArenal]

15. The press works for ratings. Not truth.

[DENVERPOPS]

60. That, of course LA

But more than that, 80+% of all mass media in the U.S. is owned by wealthy Republicans.
What horse do you think they back????????????

Even MSNBC, that has Rachel, and others on for PART of the 24 hour day, wouldn't have them on that channel if they didn't have a huge viewership and are making MSNBC a TON of money.......AND we all know that Rich Republicans value money far more than even their Republican Party loyalty......

Hitler, Putin and other tyrants knew, that the first thing you do is take control of all news media.......

[wnylib]

69. They work for their corporate owners

who don't like Democratic policies on the economy, like corporations paying a fair share of taxes.

[kimbutgar]

16. Just like the polls in the election the polls about Biden are wrong

He is well respected and loved by a majority of Americans. We are happy that the lunatic is not running the country anymore.

I just wonder who are they polling and what questions are they asking?. I’d imagine those loaded questions that would influence you when you answer.

[CloudWatcher]

26. Polls are no longer accurate

The only poll that was accurate for the midterms -- was that 99% of people don't answer the phone when random numbers call them! So basically junk phone calls have destroyed accurate polling.

I don't understand why the MSM pretends they are important.

[Trueblue1968]

18. THE MEDIA LIED ABOUT THE --- RED WAVE. NOW THEY ARE LYING ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN

DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Evil POS media.

[Lunabell]

20. Corporate owned media.

They were hoping for more tax cuts from the repugs after the "red wave". Yeah, we don't want that.

[3catwoman3]

21. I think the press is full of it, and so...

…are the polls.

[raccoon]

22. "then the press is an ass!" To paraphrase Charles Dickens.

[Hekate]

23. I think the press & other media need to hear from us regularly

[onecaliberal]

24. The "press" told us a million times a day about the red wave too.

They are fascist loving pigs. They don’t care for Americans and can’t be trusted.

[dlk]

25. Would this be the same press that gave us polls and pundits predicting a red wave?

Given their track record, I wouldn’t take any of their polls of Biden’s popularity very seriously.

[Samrob]

27. The media, including left-leaning media, lost a lot of credibility during this campaign and election

season.

[former9thward]

29. What media were you watching?

The MSM attacked Trump daily in their news shows and editorials. Let's not re-write history.

[Butterflylady]

35. You evidently didn't include faux news in MSM.

[former9thward]

43. So one media outlet means the whole "media" treated him like the "second coming"?

Wow, that's real logic...

[CatWoman]

44. even MSNBC did it

they have their regular Trump lovers (Todd, Mitchell).

[RandiFan1290]

63. Awww, bless your heart. nt

[Cha]

30. I know I keep saying this

I haven’t listened to the press or any RF media or potato 🥔 heads since November 2002 & I bet I’m more informed about politics than many who do..

Course they don’t have DU! 💙🇺🇸🕊🕯🌊🎵

[jaxexpat]

31. What could there be about an approval poll....

which places it above a pre-election poll? Whose test for value has recently proved that polls are beauty only in the eyes of the pollster (or is that poltergeist?).

So it comes to this. Its fucking propaganda. We should all respond to polling data with healthy scepticism, if not total indifference.

[Uncle Joe]

32. *rump gave tax cuts to their wealthy and powerful owners,

I believe they're convinced that President Biden would not do the same.

Thanks for the thread CatWoman

[wryter2000]

33. They were wrong about the red wave

I don't believe they're right about this

[Pepsidog]

34. On his worst day it's hard to hate Biden. I laugh at Rs who swear they hate Biden.

[oldsoftie]

53. Thats why they whine about backing UKR. Its "get Biden" all the time.

If trump was president AND WAS HELPING UKR AS BIDEN IS, they'd be all in on it and talking about "defeating the commies"

[Pepsidog]

57. Really amazing how little they know. I like this Trumper belief "Trump was the first President to

meet with Rocket Man". I'm like, do you think there is a reason why so many former presidents refused to meet with Kim Jung-un, an international pariah. Leave it to Trump to confer legitimacy on a ruthless dictator.

[oldsoftie]

61. I STILL don't understand why they think it was such a BIG deal.

I mean, if Un had pulled back forces from the border or something like that, then sure, he'd have something tp crow about. But we got nothing

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

62. But he's got the "Love Letters."

Illegally, of course. It would be cool if that's what he goes go jail for.

[demigoddess]

38. propaganda press. they have been doing it since the 90s. Remember Rush Limbaugh?

The repubs have been using it for decades as propaganda machines. Radio and tv.

I studied propaganda in high school, didn't you?

[JI7]

40. He is unpopular among media whores that don't want to report on serious issues

becsuse it's boring to them. Discussions about the economy and other serious policy matters also might not get much ratings.

They would rather report on Trump Tweets and his stupid rallies.

[OverBurn]

41. They only thing they have on Biden is his age and occasional gaffe. Biden has been great.

[Major Nikon]

45. Trump is the first president ever since approval ratings have been kept to never break 50%

He's also #3 in the all time high disapproval ratings.

What Trump had was a literal cult that was going to adore him as their anointed one no matter what, so he could always project this false image of approval even though it was never based on anything most call reality.

[hadEnuf]

46. Most of the press is nothing but a propaganda organ for right wing conservatives.

because it's owned by right wing conservatives. They let a certain amount of center-left information on to maintain the facade of evenness but as soon as one of the big boys gets ruffled it gets squashed.

No Democrat is going to get a fair shake from the MSM as it is now.

[Lonestarblue]

47. Yes, the press uses terms like historically low approval to make it sound as if Biden's approval

is in the tank. If I remember correctly, Trump’s approval ratings rarely got above 40%. The press has played a big role in creating Biden’s ratings because they most often use negative words to refer to Biden and Democrats while rarely doing so for Republicans. I read both the NYT and the Post so I know they do.

[Beartracks]

49. I keep hearing it casually mentioned that way, as if it's a fact.

Excellent points about how friggin' low Trump was, and I don't remember the media ever calling him "unpopular."

Somebody needs to tell me again where this supposedly "liberal" media is...? That's just one of so many hollow talking points that come from the right.

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[oldsoftie]

50. By this time next year, inflation should be much lower.

Things take time to work thru the economy (another reason I think the Fed should pause any further rate hikes)
Oil production is rising, supply chain backlogs are catching up, the chip shortage is finally getting better. Not that Biden should be blamed for all the bad shit, but thats how it works in politics.

[The Jungle 1]

51. The question is why does the press publish polling?

We all knows polling in the US is worthless!
Unless you can prove your polling has a history of accuracy you should shut the fuck up.

[Mr. Sparkle]

52. The press dont like him because he is a straight shooting President

They find it hard to make a living off of him like they did with Trump.

[tonekat]

54. Where's that "Liberal Media" the GQP babbled about?

I sure didn't see it in the NYT or WAPO on the way to the Mid-terms, it was a constant drumbeat predicting the coming of some unbeatable juggernaut from the R's.

Fuck them.

[LiberalFighter]

55. We need to call out the media by name.

Not by CBS, CNN, or other. It needs to be by name. Whether it is the host or guests.

[Murphyb849]

58. I believe those polls as much as I believed the polling for midterms..

[paleotn]

59. Numbers and media laziness. On 538, taking out the outliers, or just simply liars....

like Rasmussen and a few others, Trump spent virtually all his time in the 30's. But that doesn't win or lose elections by itself. Obama's approval numbers were pretty crappy heading into 2012, yet he won with room to spare. Trump's numbers sucked his entire time in office, yet he came uncomfortably close in 2020. It's a lot more complex and nuanced than that. Trying to predict human activities is almost a futile exercise since there's a vast number of factors at play and inevitably important factors you don't have in your calculations. Such things don't play well in our 24/7 news cycle. "I don't know. Ask me on Wednesday morning" will get your off the air pretty quickly. So, they just throw out numbers or ideas like a "red wave" which might be based on a few numbers, but mostly on memed perceptions...i.e. bullshit.

[uponit7771]

64. K&R,

[malaise]

65. Fuck the press

That is all

[Catherine Vincent]

67. The so called MSM makes me sick with that shit

[orangecrush]

70. They were gaslighting us

The whole way to the midterms.

[DFW]

71. Many of our media owners want Biden to seem bad, because he has been so good. (How dare he?)

You don't make sensationalist, attention-grabbing headlines by saying, "we're actually headed back on the right track, finally!"

Trump was bad news all by himself without any assistance at all, so they played him up as "not so bad." Biden is good news, and you don't whip people into a frenzy with THAT kind of news, do you? No one wants to drown a government that has their back in a bathtub, not even Republicans.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. ??? So you're saying his approval is higher than the Devil? Lol

[StClone]

75. Biden is between 53-57% approval rating

[lees1975]

84. That's what I'm thinking it is.

The composite polls like RCP and 538 are flooded with GOP operated or GOP leaning polls which skew their "factoring" to come up with results that look good for Republicans. Averaged into their models, that's where the lower figures come from.

There have been a couple of times when I've seen responses in the middle of a YouGov poll indicating Biden's job approval may be above the 50% mark. They put up a disclaimer saying that the results that show while you're answering the questions do not necessarily represent public opinion, but there were two questions, one about the infrastructure bill, one about the inflation/prescription drug bill where questions about Biden's favorability got positive responses from over 50% of those participating.

This mid-term result, in spite of exit polling putting him at 45%, tells me it's above the 50% mark. It's to the media advantage to keep making it an issue when it isn't.

[ffr]

76. The casualness at which they do just that, caused me to flip away from their news

commentary. I don't even want to hear anything more. The guy who inherited a flagging economy during a global pandemic, which the former guy fumbled. The guy who is literally saving the world as we speak from nuclear holocaust, which the former guy enabled. The guy who does the boring mundane legislative work to better people's lives, but gets shit on because it's to the media's advantage to throw in something controversial, which they do so casually, hardly anyone notices it subtlety.

They all got the election forecasts wrong. They all carried water for the republicans in the lead-up to the election. They downplay the brutality of the right and overblow the slightest thing they can dig up about the left so they can carry their 'both-sides-do-it' message, makes me want to barf!

The uneven bar they set for a buffoon who talks with his accordion hands should disgust us all. It does me and apparently most of us on DU.

[orleans]

79. well said! thanks. nt

[CatWoman]

81. i got a real kick out of watching this; Luntz is beside himself

[LT Barclay]

80. They are already trying to swing the 2024 election. This is the same crap they pulled on Gore,

Dukakis, Kerry, and I'm sure a whole list of other intelligent, dedicated public servants.

[Kennah]

82. Clinton was in the 40s the week of the 1994 midterm, but he won re-election and gains seats in 1998

[FlyingPiggy]

83. I'm seeing VERY CLEARLY w this red wave bullshit that the press has its own agenda

And it’s not about reporting the news. They very much push what they want to the public to believe. It’s a total sham.

[Martin68]

85. The press base their evaluation on polls, but polls are not only inaccurate, they measure very

limited factors. The fact in this election is that Biden was more popular than Trump even among people who rated his performance rather poorly in polls. People who didn't particularly like Biden voted for Democrats because the Republican choices were far worse. I suspect the populace has an unrealistic idea of what doing a good job as president actually means. I don't entirely blame the press for that. Most people can't be bothered to understand complex economic, foreign policy, health care, education, and other issues. They see the price of gas go up and think that's due to a failure of government rather than complex international events. The response to Covid during Trump's term was a colossal failure. Glutting environmental protections and ignoring global warming was a true failure on the part of the Trump administration. These are areas where the government actually has the power to do something.

[Jack the Greater]

86. "...and the press promoted him as the second coming."

Can you please give an example of the mainstream media promoting Trump as the second coming? As far as Biden goes, the press reports his approval numbers, as they have for other presidents. Please don't promote the press as the enemy of the people, like Trump did.

[Icanthinkformyself]

88. Seems inflation

disappeared and crime went away the day after. Has the media mentioned either since 11/9? Funny how that happens every election cycle.
The orange POS never reached above 45% if memory serves (an iffy proposition these days). Joe could be Superman and not get the credit he deserves.

[Aristus]

89. The feckless Washington Post is calling Joe Biden "an historically-unpopular President".

You believe that shit?

He's nowhere near as unpopular as TFG was.

Fuck those guys...

[Quanto Magnus]

91. 'The Press'

has a vested interest in a 'divided country'..... Even MSNBC has jumped on the bandwagon....

The best way to do it is always take a shit on the Dems....

[onetexan]

92. How many of these pollsters are RW like Trafalgar?