NYT Bernie: "As an American, the idea of another Trump campaign ... is an absolute horror show''

[Donkees]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/politics/trump-2024-republicans.html

[sop]

1. Agree completely.

[questionseverything]

2. Part of me wants to see tfg stay just strong enough to split the repubs in two pieces, indefinitely

[Yavin4]

4. I want a bloody Republican civil war.

I want name-calling, gnashing of teeth, finger pointing, and duels at dawn.

[Hortensis]

3. Agree with that sentence for sure.

Also believe Sanders needs to do what he can to throw cold water on those popuists and other extremists who still invoke his name to draw supporters to their attempts to burn down "the establishment" (protected these days by the Democratic Party).

He did a great deal of good by joining the Democrats going into the 2020 GE to fight trumpism, but many LW extremists are still hoping to defeat the only major political organization fighting to save our democracy and, lacking a new leader, constantly involking his name and statements as cover for their oppositional intentions.

We're also still living with the sequelae of the vulnerable sorts on the far left who believed the Big Lies that Democrats "rigged" the primary elections in 2016 and that Democrats are really just a version of Republicans. Some tragically apparently still believe this, and imo Sanders owes it to them to do all he can to help those who will listen to him to understand the political players, their ideologies and goals, as they really are. For their own sakes.

And to the nation and all our sakes to put us in position for the 2024 battle.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

5. You have put my thoughts into words.

Populism is a beast that needs to be put down.

Sanders has a potentially unique opportunity (and responsibility) in that regard.

[Uncle Joe]

6. Populism is not the beast,

the economic and social conditions that foster are.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. No, populism is most definitely the problem.

Liberal Democrats can address people's need without fueling populism.

Liberalism rests on rationality and it is hard to think straight when one is enraged.

Populism is a threat with the MAGTAts in this country, and it is a threat world-wide.

Populism is THE THREAT of our age.

[Uncle Joe]

12. It's not a question as to whether Liberal Democrats or anyone else for that matter can address

the people's needs, it's whether they actually have.

If they have, there would be no political energy for populism.

Populism - a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

As for *rump, he was never a populist, the only person he ever cared about was himself.

*rump was a faux populist promoted by the corporate media because they couldn't tolerate the real deal, their wealthy and powerful owners were afraid of Bernie Sanders coming to power.

They just wanted more tax cuts because despite all their vast quantities of money and power they have a greed addiction.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

13. You have offered up a very insufficient definition of "populism" that obscures it's true nature

and would get a laugh from any political scientist.

Populism is an ideology that puts all the blame for a society's woes on a small segment of a populace--making "the other" a scapegoat for all "the people's" problems. And then firing up the rage of "the people" against the Jews, the Mexicans, or whoever.

Populist movements never turn out well.

[Emile]

15. How do you feel about Predatory Capitalism?

[Uncle Joe]

16. I believe you're speaking about fascism

that's truly *rump's calling but it's not populism

I just took my definition from the dictionary.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

17. Fascism is right-wing populism.

Pro tip: getting a political education (or definitions of political ideologies) from a dictionary is a very bad idea.

I studied Populism in depth as a university student (and since). As have many serious political thinkers. It is NOT at all well-described by the "dictionary" above.

[questionseverything]

9. Populism is " the people " surviving and thriving as opposed to the "elite "

Or the 99 vs the 1

If you don’t stand with the 99, you are the problem

[Just A Box Of Rain]

10. Every populist movement has their own ideas about which people are really "people."

Real life is more complex.

[questionseverything]

11. Not really

If you don’t have enormous power and stacks of money then you are part of the 99

It’s sad when some of the 99 don’t clearly understand and even identify with their oppressors

[Emile]

7. I feel the same way as Bernie!

[Corgigal]

14. Part of me

wants the stupid stories out of this civil war. No political establishment deserves it more.

However, as an American, this will embarrass us to the world.