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Model35mech

(1,552 posts)
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 09:54 PM Nov 2022

So, let me stand this on its head a little bit.

Lots of thanks to veterans over the last few days... certainly deserved, and I think mostly appreciated although many of my contemporary vets don't think their efforts were special or heroic...

Be that as it may be, I'd like to take a turn in a different direction.

Thank-you, the American people, for Veteran's benefits. Neither all nations, or even this nation over its history has cared for its veterans as you, the American people, care for and support spending of tax-dollars on Veterans benefits.

Your concern impacted me greatly and it deserves to be acknowledged.

In my freshman year of high school, the Iowa Test of Educational Development projected me to be in the top 5 in my High School class. But that same year, my oldest brother flunked out of junior college and my father turned against education, declaring that he wouldn't support the other 4 of us in the pursuit of becoming in his words educated idiots (it is disappointing to have your fair haired first born collapse academically). And so knowing that as the middle son of 2 janitors, in the era before National Defense Loans to help needy kids pay tuition, I wasn't going to be in a position of familial support to even think about applying to attend college. I gave up, expecting to find my way into the world of work without education. And I graduated 535th in a class of just shy of 600.

My birthdate came up a low draft number, and I was forced to make decisions for which I really wasn't much prepared to deal. I chose to volunteer for the draft. I know that's strange, it requires understanding concepts like being drafted into the military, and making the choice to have some fraction of choice in doing so. At the time, I wanted inches of steel or concrete between me and VietCong bullets. So I enlisted into the Army with a choice of an unknow job in an Armored unit.

While being inducted, a nice young specialist 5 called me out of a line and along with 5 or 6 others suggested that maybe we should think about serving in military intelligence, which according to him could be completed in air-conditioned buildings surrounded by thick concrete walls. Sounded just like something I was looking for, except the 4 year enlistment. Among the options of things to do was being a computer terminal repairman, of course back then, a computer terminal was an eight level code model 35 teletype (hence my handle above). I did 9 months of training an went off to Vietnam. And there, I legitimately earned my VA benefits, and I legitimately got exposed to Agent Orange although I didn't know that was how the base I was on controlled the weeds in it's perimeter fencing and antenna field.

So, after 2 years 9 months and 12 days the US Army Security Agency said they didn't need me anymore and asked if I wanted to end my service. Being incredibly bored and not stupid, I signed that piece of paper. Promised not to go to places like Isreal, Russia or China for a decade or so and departed for the rest of my life.

The rest of my life didn't start like I had ever thought. I did a bit of teletype repair for RCA Data Services, and decided to use my VA benefits to go to College. That choice took me thru the BA I thought I'd never have an opportunity to pursue, because VA educational benefits and as I did reasonably well, launched me in pursuit of an MA and PHD, then a career teaching at mostly undergraduate colleges and universities.

Well into my career I developed a host of medical problems. Problems that the VA thought could be presumed to follow from the Agent Orange exposures I had back so many years before. And so under examination of VA clinics I was found to have diabetes and coronary artery disease. And, amazingly, the treatments were (and for the diabetes continue to be) covered by the VA.

So most all of the most significant events of my recent life have turned around that care. I earned the eligibility, but you all paid taxes that made it possible. And I think I really owe you some thanks. Thank-you as a nation for caring about veterans and extending that compassion to vets like me. I did my service not with a fire arm or in a unit of the line, I did it in electronic warefare centers, and my 'weapons' were most often a tiny 1/4 inch wrench and a flat bladed screw-driver. I have no real idea what I was part of, because that's the nature of working in intelligence.

I'm pretty sure that I am far far from being a hero. I am pretty sure that VA benefits opened gateways for my life that let me into a life I couldn't have otherwise had. And then, 35 years later, those VA benefits repaired my heart, and continue to deal with chronic problems presumed to be from Agent Orange.

I'm not bitter about any of it, I actually feel indebted to all of you who pay taxes and accept with not too much angst providing Veteran's benefits.

So, THANK-YOU for your service to veterans. It is so significant to the lives of so many, multiply your compassion on my life times hundreds of thousands.

Really.









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Model35mech

(1,552 posts)
3. You're welcome, I lived in that time, but I got to follow choices that were mine
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:11 PM
Nov 2022

I volunteered. And I did so consciously choosing to be in the safest place I could position myself. I have some guilt about that everytime I walk down the halls of the VA hospital I attend. Compared to others, I got out pretty clean.

And despite my draft number I was lucky by birth. I placed very very well on the exams the induction center ran us through as they considered just what form of cannon fodder we might be.

It was said that while that testing would only let 3 men in 100 into the Green Beret, it only let 1 man in 100 into the Army Security Agency.

With very few night terrors excepted, it was mostly just boring. For security reasons I couldn't know the details of my units' mission(s), and so I went from teletype to teletype, oiling and greasing and fixing problems in machines with many hundreds of moving parts.

Problem solving on those things was a great introduction to 'systems thinking', a thing that I found very useful as I pursued my later ecological research.


applegrove

(118,771 posts)
7. Don't feel guilty. It is good or bad luck. You had good luck in big ways. It is the toss
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:27 PM
Nov 2022

Last edited Mon Nov 14, 2022, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)

of the dice. You had bad luck too.

3Hotdogs

(12,405 posts)
2. As I posted a couple of times on D.U., I am blind in one eye.... born that way.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:09 PM
Nov 2022

I was drafted and took the bus to the induction center. Not because I was a hero. Rather, because I couldn't figure any way out of it.

I was rejected because of my eye. If I had been accepted, I would likely have been in Viet Nam. But it wouldn't have been because I was a hero.


My comment and response to your post is not meant to reflect on you. It is my observation, thinking that being a hero requires a conscious decision to act in a way that benefits others and at the risk of personal safety.


so....

Even if I was drafted and in V.N., I would not have considered myself a hero. This, in reaction to the third paragraph from the bottom of your post.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
20. "genuine American Democracy"
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 01:54 PM
Nov 2022

I agree with the gist of your post but there was no genuine democracy in who got drafted and who didn't.

I'm looking at you Trump, Cheney, Dubya, etc.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
6. You're very welcome.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:21 PM
Nov 2022

Veteran’s services is EXACTLY what I want my tax dollars to pay for.

And thank you for your service.

Model35mech

(1,552 posts)
8. Thanks for caring.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 10:30 PM
Nov 2022

Even for those like me who really tried our best to use the military to protect our selves from war.

I'm not really sure what I did, except in a poetic way... You know the poem ... for the want of a nail, a shoe was lost, for the want of a shoe a horse was lost etc ... I helped keep the teletype functioning, that made entering electronic surveillance data into our primitive computer systems possible, that data was the stuff analysts poured over, to figure out just who, and where were threats many desktops later, THAT stuff, and politics, was what war-fighting decisions were built around (still are as far as I know).

summer_in_TX

(2,748 posts)
9. As you were entering the military and serving this country in
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 01:10 AM
Nov 2022

Vietnam, I was a callow teen, one of those peaceniks who disagreed with the premises of that war and doubted the truthfulness of the grounds given for engaging that war. Much influenced by my parents then, I had little understanding of the many complicated reasons someone would enlist for it.

Today I do understand and have deep respect for those whose personal endeavor, hard training, and dedication turned them into warriors. We need those who would do that on behalf of all of us. And we need to keep them safe, and fund that protection. I was disgusted that we sent our troops into Iraq without personal protective gear, that families were having to buy it for the sons, and they were encountering IEDs in Humvees not properly designed to encounter explosives.

Even in my misinformed and misguided youth, I believed in the benefits of the GI bill and Veterans Health Administration. I wish I'd had exposure back then to a wider range of points of view. But I didn't. I am, however, glad that I had a modicum of good sense to believe that we must take care of those who make sacrifices to serve us and put their lives on the line for us – regardless of the character and judgment of those who sent them to war.

Thank you for serving and I'm glad to pay my taxes in part to support your benefits. You and all the other members of the military deserve them as the least we can do for your service and for the sacrifices your families made.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
10. I always feel awkward being thanked for my service or being called a "hero"
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 02:24 AM
Nov 2022

It never feels right for me to say “you’re welcome” or anything like that.

I suppose I would be considered a hero based on my military decorations and the various job titles I had (I served as an Infantry Platoon Leader in Iraq in 2004-2005). I volunteered and wanted to serve as an Infantry Officer, but I still have no idea what I was thinking or what prompted me to go that direction in my life.

I was a chubby nerd as a kid and I aspired to be either a concert pianist or a medical doctor up until I started college in 1998.

If I’m actually a “hero”, shouldn’t I feel good about what I did in Iraq or at least proud of my actions?

The way I feel about my military service is a complete mess of emotions. I’m proud that I had what it takes to be an Infantryman in combat, but I’m deeply ashamed of what that actually meant - that I’ve killed and maimed other human beings. I hide those details from my children out of fear that I’d look like monster to them.

Perhaps if I had served in a war that was actually about protecting our country or making the world a better place I’d feel differently. Instead, I did my part to ensure profits were had for various corporations and contributed to the estimated 100,000+ dead Iraqis.

AmBlue

(3,116 posts)
13. I will not minimize...
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 03:09 AM
Nov 2022

...your conflicted feelings about your service. But the fact remains, when your country called you answered that call, and that deserves heartfelt thanks. So thank you.

I hope you also are able to avail yourself of the many services the VA provides. There are so many there who had similar experience to yours, and so many caring, knowledgeable folks there who "get it." You deserve all those benefits and more.

AmBlue

(3,116 posts)
11. Heartfelt thanks for your service
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 02:45 AM
Nov 2022

I was proud to work for 7 years at our nearby VA Hospital, where I had my chance as a civilian to "serve those that served." It was great to work in service to our Vets and hear some of their stories. It never felt like a job, but much more of a calling. My Dad was a Navy man and I know how much his VA benefits meant to him as well. It's really wonderful to hear your story of what the VA has meant to you. You and all our Vets deserve all of it and more.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
12. I'm not sure if I should edit my above reply to ad this or create another reply altogether
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 02:50 AM
Nov 2022

I agree that I owe a huge “thank you” to the taxpayers who provide the benefits I receive from the government for my service.

I’m considered totally disabled a result of my military service. I suffer from severe PTSD and I’ve been unable to hold a job since 2015.

The the care I receive from the VA really has saved my life and the disability benefits I receive allow me to provide for my two daughters and to live a life that I consider to be worth living.

I’m not sure if I should throw this out there or not, but several years ago I was featured in a VoteVets.org political advertisement.

https://m.

AmBlue

(3,116 posts)
14. Thank you for sharing this
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 03:16 AM
Nov 2022

I couldn't agree more. Privatizing VA is a terrible idea. So glad you spoke out about this.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
16. I agree
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 06:48 AM
Nov 2022

Thank you American citizens for the funding that got me off the streets and into an apartment after 6 years of homelessness. When people thank me for my service I respond with thank you for paying me and so it goes

Darwins_Retriever

(855 posts)
17. Well my oldest brother was ASA in Vietnam
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 01:36 PM
Nov 2022

He was student council President and #1 in his class. Did two tours. He was at Phou Bai, an ASA post which was almost daily pelted with Agent Orange and attacked by NVA or VC. After that he was always sick. Civilian doctors pointed to Agent Orange as the cause. He went to the VA and they said no since he wasn't combat arms. About 7 years ago, the VA changed their mind and said his illness was due to agent Orange. 2 years ago they change their minds and said no. 4 months ago he committed suicide.

Model35mech

(1,552 posts)
21. Yes, there have been eligibility over the years since Vietnam
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 06:12 PM
Nov 2022

It definitely has a history of complicated bureaucracy in which essential written records can be very important and yet difficult to access.

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