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louis-t

(23,297 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 01:50 PM Nov 2022

Saw part of an interview with Pence on ABC last night.

They're trying to make him out to be a hero because he wouldn't give in to orange Hitler's treason. They let him ramble on about how he 'stood up to' the fraudulent fuck and told him 'how wrong it was' and 'God this and God that'. I couldn't take more than a few minutes.

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Saw part of an interview with Pence on ABC last night. (Original Post) louis-t Nov 2022 OP
Nobody asked the "why did you stay with him that long" question. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2022 #1
Profile in courage jcgoldie Nov 2022 #2
I can't tolerate that sunken-faced wimp TheBeam19 Nov 2022 #3
I only saw the highlights on ABC's Evening News. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #4
"losing support"? Magats hate Pence and the more extreme brought nooses to Jan6. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #6
And yet he appears reticent to offend these people. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #8
YEP Cosmocat Nov 2022 #28
Biden got picked for VP bc of detailed knowledge of the Senate, thus Obama got stuff done. Pence Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #29
PA won't vote for pencil. Too wimpy. Maybe he'll get Florida. They're pretty gullible. lindysalsagal Nov 2022 #27
Pence - the super Christian Uriah Heep. yorkster Nov 2022 #5
Both a far-right traitor and a key hero who saved our nation. Hortensis Nov 2022 #7
The disappointing part is that Pence doesn't seem capable of not having one foot in each option. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #9
:) But, does he need backbone or morals while he serves his Savior Hortensis Nov 2022 #11
He repeatedly brings up words to the effect that he answers to God, Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #12
Oh, yes, to that last. And judgment. I have him pegged as Hortensis Nov 2022 #17
I don't trust him. When he has the opportunity to speak clearly, Pense turns mealy-mouthed. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #19
I think you're probably right, though I haven't been so good Hortensis Nov 2022 #20
Look for the tells. You will see them. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #21
I will. Lol, Nixon was so "fabulously bad" Hortensis Nov 2022 #23
There is a story of a war once between the birds and the animals Maeve Nov 2022 #14
Very appropriate. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #15
So, the Pence interview is why there was no "Good Doctor" episode???? MissMillie Nov 2022 #10
Is that show based on the Neil Simon Broadway play? louis-t Nov 2022 #16
couldn't tell you, not familiar w/ the Neil Simon play MissMillie Nov 2022 #24
Yeah, I'm old. The play was based on writings of Anton Chekhov. louis-t Nov 2022 #26
David Muir: Did you feel fear (when the mob arrived at the capitol)? ARPad95 Nov 2022 #13
Do not trust this man. Aussie105 Nov 2022 #18
Exactly. I would add he also was going for moonscape Nov 2022 #25
Weird dude. nt wiggs Nov 2022 #22

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,965 posts)
1. Nobody asked the "why did you stay with him that long" question.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 01:52 PM
Nov 2022

Reminds me of the line from the They Might Be Giants song (not ironically titled "Racist Friend&quot , "You can't shake the devils hand and say you're only kidding."

jcgoldie

(11,645 posts)
2. Profile in courage
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 01:52 PM
Nov 2022

Ole Mike giving him hell just as soon as Rupert Murdoch started running interference.

TheBeam19

(344 posts)
3. I can't tolerate that sunken-faced wimp
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 01:55 PM
Nov 2022

even for a few seconds. He can try all he wants to distance himself from Trump but there’s a reason why he got the nickname “Trump’s fourth ex-wife.”

He was subservient to Trump at levels that would have embarrassed a person who wasn’t singularly focused on his political ambitions.

And now, when there seems to be (finally) some turning of the tide against Trump, Pence suddenly discovers a small reservoir of courageous defiance? I don’t think so. The guy is a complete fraud.

If this isn’t a perfect image of what the young people today call a “simp” then I don’t know what is:

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
4. I only saw the highlights on ABC's Evening News.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:00 PM
Nov 2022

It was odd, because it is clearly self-evident what Pence thinks of Trump. That came through in many of his responses.

But when Muir pressed him with questions like "should Trump ever become president again," Pence prevaricate and fell back on cowardly responses such as "that's for the voters to decide."

Does Pence believe that speaking in half-measures will keep him from losing the support of MAGAts, or in gaining credibility with reality-based Americans?

Just when he started to gain a sliver of credibility in his responses, he took the cowards way out.

I guess that's just the man's true nature.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
8. And yet he appears reticent to offend these people.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:27 PM
Nov 2022

You don't think that's rational, nor do I, but Pence seems to think otherwise.

He seems to be attempting to have it both ways, which will alienate everyone.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
28. YEP
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 12:40 PM
Nov 2022

He is SO transparent, but for him, it got him to VP, so he will keep being the holy trinity of vanilla, smug and spineless.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
29. Biden got picked for VP bc of detailed knowledge of the Senate, thus Obama got stuff done. Pence
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 12:51 PM
Nov 2022

Pence got picked because he could be leashed and trotted out for formalities. And some appeal to christian nationalist core.

tRump had all three houses (House, Senate, Presidency) for two years and squandered it and lost all three.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Both a far-right traitor and a key hero who saved our nation.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

I never forget for an instant that he's an extremely despicable "hero" at best. But my notion is that we still desperately need to pull back the right HALF (!) of our electorate from the nihilist cliff, and the nation will be far better served if they come to regard their Republican VP, one of their own, as a patriot.

For that reason, as well as that it is truth so far as the one stand he took goes, and I am grateful for it, I'm not too excited that most MSM emphasize the fact that his action may have saved our democracy.

Speaking of either-or, tRump had his own version:

“You can either go down in history as a patriot or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
9. The disappointing part is that Pence doesn't seem capable of not having one foot in each option.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:31 PM
Nov 2022

So he ends up as a half-patriot and half-pussy, a position that cuts it with almost no one.

He lacks backbone.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. :) But, does he need backbone or morals while he serves his Savior
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:01 PM
Nov 2022

and has the RW uberclass God sent to direct and prop him up? He has his faith and earthly authorities to serve.

I can't get into the minds of people like him, but I'm just grateful for whatever genetic linkages saved me from being one; and, given what's on display right now, wondering (in my easy chair) that the human race managed claw its way this far up out of the mud.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
12. He repeatedly brings up words to the effect that he answers to God,
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:08 PM
Nov 2022

yet when push comes to shove, he weasels out.

He had moments during the excerpted interview with David Muir when I had hope. Where Pence acknowledged the truth and when he spoke of his anger over the January 6 insurrection.

But he could not maintain an allience with honesty and reason (or "righteousness&quot . He was given the opportunity, and he deflected instead.

He has some serious character issues, if you ask me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Oh, yes, to that last. And judgment. I have him pegged as
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:19 PM
Nov 2022

an authoritarian personality, and likely the "double high" religious leader type. Double highs will be subservient to authoritarian leaders more powerful than them also, and tRump fulfilled that role. As did billionaire authorities like Charles Koch. Pence has been valuable in embodying both far-right religious and plutocratic economic interests to the electorate. (..."hypocrisy is practically their middle name." )

Despite his passive manner as failing-Christian-politician-become-tRump's-VP, I'm sure he'd become a ruthless, religiously zealous despot if he had the power. We have some examples from his time as governor of Indiana, when he abandoned his moderate campaign persona to start imposing his far-right/religious beliefs. And from when he was a RW political radio host. BAD character, all right!



Double Highs, however, have a big head start over ordinary social dominators in politics, because they are the consumate leaders of a readily-formed army of zealots longing for a great warrior. Ordinary authoritarian followers....tend to be highly religious (in a fundamentalist way), and their highly ethnocentric minds (in-group oriented, hostile and distrusting of everyone else) ...

But a Double High has the best chance of attracting this army of yearning and loyal supporters. He comes packaged as "one of our own," one of the in-group. He not only shares their prejudices, their economic philosophy, and their political leanings, he also professes their religious views, and that can mean everything to high RWAs. ...

He'll appear to believe everything "all the good people" believe about Satan, being born again, evolution, the role of women, sex, abortion, school prayer, law and order, "perverts," censorship, zealotry, holy wars, America-as-God's-right-hand, and so on. Given this head start. you can expect to find a Double High leading most of the right-wing authoritarian groups in our country. ....

Despite their pronouncements about freedom-this and freedom-that, high RWA lawmakers would like to pass laws that restrict freedom of the press, the right to protest, the right to privacy, the right to belong to the political organization of one's choice, and they certainly would trample all over freedom of religion once they made the teaching of Christianity compulsory in public schools.

The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
19. I don't trust him. When he has the opportunity to speak clearly, Pense turns mealy-mouthed.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:31 PM
Nov 2022

One can see it in the interview questions. When he is "truthful," Pense projects a certain rectitude.

But when he seeks to evade the truth (as he knows it) there are all sorts of tells. Quite reminiscent of Richard Nixon to me. Penses eyes start to dart around and he grasps for words that are "not exactly lies" to cover what he should really say, if he had integrity.

He comes up very short.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. I think you're probably right, though I haven't been so good
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:19 PM
Nov 2022

at watching for the "tells" beyond verbal evasions, and as you say, being mealy-mouthed.

In his evasiveness and dishonesty, and extreme religiosity, he makes me think of Mitt Romney, who I believed was running because his god called him to preside over his agenda. Though bone-deep dishonesty and evasiveness are characteristic of nearly all Republican politicians these days, even those about as religious as our cats.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
21. Look for the tells. You will see them.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:39 PM
Nov 2022

I remember being a young person and watching Nixon. I could ALWAYS see when he was lying.

Granted, Nixon lied a lot and was fabulously bad at it, so it didn't take a lot of "skill" on my part. LOL

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. I will. Lol, Nixon was so "fabulously bad"
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:47 PM
Nov 2022

I now have "I am not a crook!" echoing through my head.

Every politician now at least knows to say, "I believe I'm not a crook." Or, "I don't remember if I'm a crook."

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
14. There is a story of a war once between the birds and the animals
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:33 PM
Nov 2022

The animals asked the bat whose side he was on and he said "But I have wings!" The birds asked and the bat said "But I have fur and teeth!" And when the war was over, neither side would forgive the one who refused to take sides and so the bat flies along at night to this very time, with friends on neither side.

MissMillie

(38,578 posts)
10. So, the Pence interview is why there was no "Good Doctor" episode????
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:36 PM
Nov 2022

I don't get live ABC shows. I have to watch them "next day" on Hulu. No new episode of "The Good Doctor" when I got up this morning.



louis-t

(23,297 posts)
16. Is that show based on the Neil Simon Broadway play?
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:12 PM
Nov 2022

Always wondered. I saw it on Broadway in '74. Rene Auberjonois, Marsha Mason, Christopher Plummer. Still have the Playbill.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
26. Yeah, I'm old. The play was based on writings of Anton Chekhov.
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 11:51 AM
Nov 2022

I wasn't familiar with the series. I looked it up and it's nothing like the play.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
13. David Muir: Did you feel fear (when the mob arrived at the capitol)?
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 03:15 PM
Nov 2022

Pence [with an "awww, shucks" look on his face]: No, I didn't have any fear. I felt [long pause] indignation.

Indignation was such an odd word to use in that context. He could have said, "I didn't feel fear for myself, but I feared for the safety of my wife and daughter who were in the room with me." Much more believable.

Aussie105

(5,429 posts)
18. Do not trust this man.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 05:29 PM
Nov 2022

Watched the interview on the ABC (here, the A stands for Australian).

Watched the gears behind his eyes grind slowly to select the right words - the words needed to not offend anyone watching - especially Trump and any GOP members - while downplaying the seriousness of what happened and at the same time make himself look like a hero who did "the right thing".

Was there a band playing a tune named "Pence for President in 2024" inside his head as well?

Do not trust this man.


moonscape

(4,673 posts)
25. Exactly. I would add he also was going for
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:25 PM
Nov 2022

drama and profundity with his odd and oft misplaced pauses. His smirk and goading David to ask about Presidential aspirations, then aw-shucks religious demurring made me want to punch him. He’s such a fake sanctimonious weasel.

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