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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaw part of an interview with Pence on ABC last night.
They're trying to make him out to be a hero because he wouldn't give in to orange Hitler's treason. They let him ramble on about how he 'stood up to' the fraudulent fuck and told him 'how wrong it was' and 'God this and God that'. I couldn't take more than a few minutes.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Reminds me of the line from the They Might Be Giants song (not ironically titled "Racist Friend" , "You can't shake the devils hand and say you're only kidding."
jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)Ole Mike giving him hell just as soon as Rupert Murdoch started running interference.
TheBeam19
(344 posts)even for a few seconds. He can try all he wants to distance himself from Trump but theres a reason why he got the nickname Trumps fourth ex-wife.
He was subservient to Trump at levels that would have embarrassed a person who wasnt singularly focused on his political ambitions.
And now, when there seems to be (finally) some turning of the tide against Trump, Pence suddenly discovers a small reservoir of courageous defiance? I dont think so. The guy is a complete fraud.
If this isnt a perfect image of what the young people today call a simp then I dont know what is:
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)It was odd, because it is clearly self-evident what Pence thinks of Trump. That came through in many of his responses.
But when Muir pressed him with questions like "should Trump ever become president again," Pence prevaricate and fell back on cowardly responses such as "that's for the voters to decide."
Does Pence believe that speaking in half-measures will keep him from losing the support of MAGAts, or in gaining credibility with reality-based Americans?
Just when he started to gain a sliver of credibility in his responses, he took the cowards way out.
I guess that's just the man's true nature.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)You don't think that's rational, nor do I, but Pence seems to think otherwise.
He seems to be attempting to have it both ways, which will alienate everyone.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)He is SO transparent, but for him, it got him to VP, so he will keep being the holy trinity of vanilla, smug and spineless.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Pence got picked because he could be leashed and trotted out for formalities. And some appeal to christian nationalist core.
tRump had all three houses (House, Senate, Presidency) for two years and squandered it and lost all three.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)yorkster
(1,506 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I never forget for an instant that he's an extremely despicable "hero" at best. But my notion is that we still desperately need to pull back the right HALF (!) of our electorate from the nihilist cliff, and the nation will be far better served if they come to regard their Republican VP, one of their own, as a patriot.
For that reason, as well as that it is truth so far as the one stand he took goes, and I am grateful for it, I'm not too excited that most MSM emphasize the fact that his action may have saved our democracy.
Speaking of either-or, tRump had his own version:
You can either go down in history as a patriot or you can go down in history as a pussy.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)So he ends up as a half-patriot and half-pussy, a position that cuts it with almost no one.
He lacks backbone.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and has the RW uberclass God sent to direct and prop him up? He has his faith and earthly authorities to serve.
I can't get into the minds of people like him, but I'm just grateful for whatever genetic linkages saved me from being one; and, given what's on display right now, wondering (in my easy chair) that the human race managed claw its way this far up out of the mud.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)yet when push comes to shove, he weasels out.
He had moments during the excerpted interview with David Muir when I had hope. Where Pence acknowledged the truth and when he spoke of his anger over the January 6 insurrection.
But he could not maintain an allience with honesty and reason (or "righteousness" . He was given the opportunity, and he deflected instead.
He has some serious character issues, if you ask me.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)an authoritarian personality, and likely the "double high" religious leader type. Double highs will be subservient to authoritarian leaders more powerful than them also, and tRump fulfilled that role. As did billionaire authorities like Charles Koch. Pence has been valuable in embodying both far-right religious and plutocratic economic interests to the electorate. (..."hypocrisy is practically their middle name." )
Despite his passive manner as failing-Christian-politician-become-tRump's-VP, I'm sure he'd become a ruthless, religiously zealous despot if he had the power. We have some examples from his time as governor of Indiana, when he abandoned his moderate campaign persona to start imposing his far-right/religious beliefs. And from when he was a RW political radio host. BAD character, all right!
But a Double High has the best chance of attracting this army of yearning and loyal supporters. He comes packaged as "one of our own," one of the in-group. He not only shares their prejudices, their economic philosophy, and their political leanings, he also professes their religious views, and that can mean everything to high RWAs. ...
He'll appear to believe everything "all the good people" believe about Satan, being born again, evolution, the role of women, sex, abortion, school prayer, law and order, "perverts," censorship, zealotry, holy wars, America-as-God's-right-hand, and so on. Given this head start. you can expect to find a Double High leading most of the right-wing authoritarian groups in our country. ....
Despite their pronouncements about freedom-this and freedom-that, high RWA lawmakers would like to pass laws that restrict freedom of the press, the right to protest, the right to privacy, the right to belong to the political organization of one's choice, and they certainly would trample all over freedom of religion once they made the teaching of Christianity compulsory in public schools.
The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)One can see it in the interview questions. When he is "truthful," Pense projects a certain rectitude.
But when he seeks to evade the truth (as he knows it) there are all sorts of tells. Quite reminiscent of Richard Nixon to me. Penses eyes start to dart around and he grasps for words that are "not exactly lies" to cover what he should really say, if he had integrity.
He comes up very short.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)at watching for the "tells" beyond verbal evasions, and as you say, being mealy-mouthed.
In his evasiveness and dishonesty, and extreme religiosity, he makes me think of Mitt Romney, who I believed was running because his god called him to preside over his agenda. Though bone-deep dishonesty and evasiveness are characteristic of nearly all Republican politicians these days, even those about as religious as our cats.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I remember being a young person and watching Nixon. I could ALWAYS see when he was lying.
Granted, Nixon lied a lot and was fabulously bad at it, so it didn't take a lot of "skill" on my part. LOL
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I now have "I am not a crook!" echoing through my head.
Every politician now at least knows to say, "I believe I'm not a crook." Or, "I don't remember if I'm a crook."
Maeve
(42,288 posts)The animals asked the bat whose side he was on and he said "But I have wings!" The birds asked and the bat said "But I have fur and teeth!" And when the war was over, neither side would forgive the one who refused to take sides and so the bat flies along at night to this very time, with friends on neither side.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Thank you.
MissMillie
(38,578 posts)I don't get live ABC shows. I have to watch them "next day" on Hulu. No new episode of "The Good Doctor" when I got up this morning.
louis-t
(23,297 posts)Always wondered. I saw it on Broadway in '74. Rene Auberjonois, Marsha Mason, Christopher Plummer. Still have the Playbill.
MissMillie
(38,578 posts)It's about an autistic doctor.
louis-t
(23,297 posts)I wasn't familiar with the series. I looked it up and it's nothing like the play.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)Pence [with an "awww, shucks" look on his face]: No, I didn't have any fear. I felt [long pause] indignation.
Indignation was such an odd word to use in that context. He could have said, "I didn't feel fear for myself, but I feared for the safety of my wife and daughter who were in the room with me." Much more believable.
Aussie105
(5,429 posts)Watched the interview on the ABC (here, the A stands for Australian).
Watched the gears behind his eyes grind slowly to select the right words - the words needed to not offend anyone watching - especially Trump and any GOP members - while downplaying the seriousness of what happened and at the same time make himself look like a hero who did "the right thing".
Was there a band playing a tune named "Pence for President in 2024" inside his head as well?
Do not trust this man.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)drama and profundity with his odd and oft misplaced pauses. His smirk and goading David to ask about Presidential aspirations, then aw-shucks religious demurring made me want to punch him. Hes such a fake sanctimonious weasel.