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edhopper

(33,615 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:56 PM Nov 2022

Don't we want someone like McCarthy as Speaker

to screw things up and show the GOP can't govern.
I see talk about the Dems getting behind a "good, reasonable Republican"?
Why should we help them? Let them wallow in their own excrement.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Auggie

(31,186 posts)
3. The narrative would be twisted from "the GOP can't govern" to "Democrats won't cooperate."
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:02 PM
Nov 2022

It will anyhow so I guess it doesn't matter who the Speaker is.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
14. That's a defeatist attitude before the event even. Twist it from "Dems won't coop" to reality
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 07:03 PM
Nov 2022

Before the event, let us be boosters, not wet blankets. Please. Pretty please.

Instead of casting gloom about, conceive of the change we want and then be it.


So, say "We can and will redirect the narrative from 'Democrats won't cooperate' to the reality of 'Republicans can't govern'.".

Because we can redirect it.

nycbos

(6,037 posts)
4. What house Dems should be looking to do...
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:03 PM
Nov 2022

... (and I am sure this has occurred to a master tactician like Nancy Pelosi) is to start having quiet conversations with some of the non-MAGA members of the republican party to cross the aisle. Republicans who were reelected in swing districts or who flipped seats in New York immediately start out as vulnerable. People in those districts aren't gonna wanna see two years of investigations into Hunter Biden. And they would be completely turned off if they start an impeachment process. Which is what Kevin McCarthy is going to have to promise the freedom caucus.

We can then do some horse trading with them. Such as an increase in the minimum wage for a tax cut for small businesses. Also, they might be amenable to closing tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy in exchange for portion of the new tax revenue raised going towards deficit reduction.

walkingman

(7,658 posts)
6. I'm personally exhausted with all of the lunacy of the right. Americans have proven
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:08 PM
Nov 2022

over and over that they tend to embrace a "culture of vengeance" so I would hope that someone like McCarthy who clearly has no basic principles would not be Speaker. I just think it is dangerous to further divide us.

I know it is somewhat naive but I am ready to end this "winning at any cost" mentality. I'm just not sure how to do it. Our family is maybe broken forever because of it and that is pretty sad.

MLAA

(17,321 posts)
8. McCarthy is a fetid stew of incompetence and cowardice so I think he would be the perfect
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:11 PM
Nov 2022

candidate for speaker of the house to be whipped daily by Marjorie and her cacophony of malcontent magas.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,594 posts)
10. There will be no working with Democrats to get important legislation done.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:50 PM
Nov 2022

They have no policies to do anything constructive, Instead, they will spend the next 2 years running Benghazi type investigations. Then they will wonder why they lose the House and Presidency, again, in 2024.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
12. McCarthy seems like the type
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 09:13 PM
Nov 2022

who says whatever the person to whom he is talking wants to hear. That's a recipe for total chaos.

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