In a stunning move, LDS Church comes out for bill that recognizes same-sex marriage

[DemocratSinceBirth]

In an unexpected move, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gave its support Tuesday to a proposed federal law that would codify marriages between same-sex couples.

The Utah-based faith’s doctrine “related to marriage between a man and a woman is well known and will remain unchanged,” the church stated in a news release. “We are grateful for the continuing efforts of those who work to ensure the Respect for Marriage Act includes appropriate religious freedom protections while respecting the law and preserving the rights of our LGBTQ brothers and sisters.”

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https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/11/15/lds-church-comes-out-federal/

[Demanchor]

1. Hooray to imagine dragons!

I bet their party is epic.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I think it has to do with some LDS tenets.

You can do that to any religion.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. I was confused by the confusing grammar and ambiguous party (political, celebratory?) reference

It is true that most religions require one to imagine things as unreal as dragons, but I don't know of any reference to dragons specifically in LDS theology (not that I know much about it).

Perhaps that is it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Dragons in the Book of Mormon

http://www.bmaf.org/articles/dragon_bom__wirth

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Thanks. Site insecure so I didn't visit, but I found this

Based on your tip I seached and found this

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bd/dragon?lang=eng

Dragon

Two Hebrew words are thus rendered though they are sometimes translated whale, serpent, jackal, or sea-monster. Probably a large snake or snakelike animal in Deut. 32:33; Ps. 74:13; 91:13. A jackal in Job 30:29; Isa. 13:22; 27:1; 34:13; 35 ; 43:20; 51 ; Jer. 9:11; 10:22; 51:34; Mal. 1:3. Used figuratively in Ezek. 29:3. In the New Testament it is always used figuratively, as in Rev. 12:3, 7, 9, 13, 16; 13:2, 4, 11; 16:13; 20:2; see also Mosiah 20:11; Alma 43:44.

[Carlitos Brigante]

14. I assumed that was a comment about the band. nt

[Demanchor]

10. I'm assuming you don't know Imagine Dragons

They are a band deeply involved in LGBTQ+ issues for years within the Mormon church. There is a group of mothers fighting for their LGBTQ+ children and the organization is also called imagine dragons. These people have their first victory in Utah.

If you were questioning something else, let me know.

I think I’ll go play some dragons in repeat.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. Thanks for the clarification. It is true that not everyone has the same referents

Terse writing is easily misunderstood or not understood.

[Demanchor]

22. Apologies

I’m glad I could clarify. Let’s celebrate now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Are you LDS or former LDS?

When I was in junior high school I had some friends who were LDS. They were different but in a good way. They were more mature and tolerant and identified with the kids that were bullied and not the bullies.

[Demanchor]

27. No I'm not.

My uncle was a Mormon apologist for a Protestant church so I’m familiar with many Mormons and their beliefs. I’m glad to see cracks within their religion. They deserve better. This is something they can work with. A step in a good direction.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. They've made a turn toward pan-Christian "religious freedom," as evidenced by their statement.

[FoxNewsSucks]

5. before trusting or celebrating too much,

"appropriate religious freedom protections" means what exactly?

Legalized prejudice , discrimination and harassment by churches?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. It means they don't have to perform marriages of people of the same gender.

A lot of churches won't marry Christians and non-Christians because the Bible suggests they're "unevenly yolked". And the Catholic Church won't perform marriages for those who have been divorced.

[FoxNewsSucks]

11. That meaning wouldn't be a problem,

but then, no one ever proposed forcing churches to perform gay weddings.

I see language like that in the statement and can't help but think of the recent news where freedom of religion didn't mean we could be free from it, or free of them forcing their beliefs on us.

I just don't trust them not to try to use that kind of language to ensure we can't make them mind their own damn business

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I don't know how the Mormon Church is organized.

But I do know some Protestant faiths are moving to allow individual churches to decide if they want to marry people of the same gender.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. This is a huge move and represents a significant cultural shift.

Definitely a cause for celebration.

[FakeNoose]

13. It sounds like they're saying "gay marriage is OK" for the country

... but it's not happening in our church. It sounds like Mormons are saying they can be LGBTQ if they want to be, but they need to leave the Mormon Church to get married.

I don't know, I'm not a Mormon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Basically

But if my understanding is correct you can be lgtbq and Mormon however you can't get married in the church.

[Darwins_Retriever]

16. What this actually means

If and when the Supreme Court rules that same sex marriages are not protected by the Constitution, states like Utah will be able to outlaw same sex marriage. What the proposed Federal law does is prohibit states from making same sex marriages done before the law banning them, legal.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I read something about the Commandeering Act.

What the law before Congress does is compel states to recognize marriages fron other states which means as long as one state issues marriage licenses to same sex couples all forty nine other states have to honor it.

[cyclonefence]

19. Any fans of "Sister Wives" (ducking)

will wonder if this makes Cody more accepting of his children Leon and Savannah.

[ismnotwasm]

21. This is a big deal

Churches are bleeding members, and The Mormon church is, if nothing else, all about that membership.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. It's dividing a lot of churches.

I know some Protestant religions are leaving it to individual churches to decide.

[Buckeyeblue]

24. I'm sure it has something to do with money...

They essentially use MLM marketing like Amway. It's not enough to be Morman but you need to sell it to others. This expands the list of those they can potentially sell to.

You can be Morman Lite...you can't get married in the church but you can get married in the courthouse across from the church. Which isn't bad. And feel free to tithe at the regular rates.

Sorry that's so cynical. I feel bad for the young adults sent out to recruit. When they come to my house, I'm up front about being an atheist. But I always ask if they are getting enough to eat and are living somewhere they feel safe. It's not their fault they were born into craziness.

[Lucinda]

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