The NY Times embarrasses itself

[edhopper]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/opinion/trump-2024-announcement.html

Mr. Trump’s candidacy should serve as a clarion call to those who are willing to fight for the soul of the Republican Party. While this board does not support many of their policy positions, some leading figures in the party — including former Vice President Mike Pence, Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina and Gov. Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, among others — have demonstrated a commitment to the rule of law and an ability to govern.

Ron Fucking DeSantis is committed to the rule of law???

What a joke.

[Faux pas]

1. Yeah Sure Ya Betcha

[DET]

2. WAPO Too

WAPO had an opinion piece the other day by the loathsome Marc Thiessan. He was encouraging Trump not to run again, but he slobbered all over him in the process. Sample quote:’ Based on his record in office, Trump should be considered one of the greatest conservative presidents in modern times.’ I really resent paying good money to read crap like this every week from a crazy right wing shill. As if George Will wasn’t bad enough.

[COL Mustard]

28. I really don't know why my hometown paper keeps Thiessen and Max Boot on their payroll.

Maybe we subscribers should walk with our feet. I've already stopped getting the print edition. I'm sure I could get Jeff Bezos' attention.

[DET]

34. I Hear Ya

Max Boot is another one who needs to go. I really don’t know why WAPO took a right turn this year, but I don’t like it. I’ve been reading the print version forever, and it’s hard to give up, but I’m tempted. My husband quit reading WAPO a while ago, but that was because of what he considered to be deceptive billing practices.

[yankee87]

47. Sickening

NY Times is a joke now. They have become another Reich wing rag

[BlueCheeseAgain]

3. I guess they mean that those people will concede an election they lose.

But yes, DeSantis clearly doesn't follow a lot of laws, such as the ones against kidnapping.

[onecaliberal]

4. AGAIN!

[lpbk2713]

5. That's more of an advertisement for the GOP than an opinion piece.

A lame exercise in propaganda.

[orangecrush]

15. Exactly.

[budkin]

6. DeSantis is their next hero

A profile in American greatness.

[JohnQFunk]

7. The New York Times...

[yankee87]

17. +1

100% agree

[onenote]

26. The reference to DeSantis was stupid, but the editorial is hardly "right wing"

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2022/nov/16/opinion-america-deserves-better-donald-trump-tfp/

[brooklynite]

41. If it makes you happy...

Happy to keep my 40 year subscription.

[Doremus]

67. I haven't had any use for them since their Iraq war cheerleading

and employment of a CIA operative.

[ananda]

8. All four of them are horrible people.

Sheesh

[Irish_Dem]

9. The wealthy and powerful are backing DeSantis. So is Russia. No surprise.

[peppertree]

12. +1

The same way that other paragon of the Rule of Law, Chris Crisco, was backed by most of those same people.

A bridge to nowhere, just like deSadist.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. DeSantis is committed to the rule of law of his election police. Sick joke they are. . . nt

[Celerity]

11. Naming names: The NYT Editorial Board

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/opinion/editorialboard.html

THE NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD is made up of

Kathleen Kingsbury
Opinion Editor

Kathleen Kingsbury is the Opinion editor of The New York Times, overseeing the editorial board and the Opinion section. Previously she was the deputy editorial page editor. She joined The Times in 2017 from The Boston Globe, where she served as managing editor for digital.


Jyoti Thottam
Editorials Editor

Jyoti Thottam joined the editorial board in 2022 after nearly four years as a senior editor in Opinion, commissioning and editing guest essays on a wide range of subjects.


Binyamin Appelbaum
Economics and Business

Binyamin Appelbaum joined the Times editorial board in 2019. From 2010 to 2019, he was a Washington correspondent for The Times, covering the Federal Reserve and other aspects of economic policy.


Greg Bensinger
Technology

Greg Bensinger joined The Times editorial board in 2020. He was a staff writer for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, where he covered the world's largest technology companies.


Michelle Cottle
U.S. Politics

Michelle Cottle has covered Washington and national politics since the Clinton administration. She joined The Times in 2018 as the editorial board’s national political writer after reporting on the nation's capital as a contributing editor for The Atlantic.


Mara Gay
New York State
and Local Affairs

Mara Gay joined The New York Times in 2018. Before coming to The Times, she was a City Hall reporter at The Wall Street Journal, covering Mayors Bill de Blasio and Michael Bloomberg and dozens of other stories that have shaped the nation’s largest, most dynamic city.


Jeneen Interlandi
Health and Science

Jeneen Interlandi joined the Times editorial board in 2018. She is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, where she has written about health, science and education since 2006.


Lauren Kelley
Women and Reproductive Rights

Lauren Kelley is the deputy editorials editor. She joined the Times editorial board in 2018. Previously, she was the online politics editor at Rolling Stone, where she led coverage of the 2016 presidential election, the Trump administration and Congress.


Alex Kingsbury
Editor at Large

Alex Kingsbury has been an editor with The Times and a member of its editorial board since 2018. Previously, he sat on the editorial board of The Boston Globe and was deputy editor of The Globe’s Ideas section.


Serge Schmemann
International Affairs
Serge Schmemann joined the Times in 1980. He served as the editorial page editor of the International Herald Tribune in Paris from 2003 to 2013. He has been a Times correspondent and bureau chief in Moscow, Bonn, Jerusalem and the United Nations.


Brent Staples
Education, Criminal
Justice, Economics

Brent Staples joined The Times editorial board in 1990. His editorials and essays are included in dozens of college readers throughout the United States and abroad. In 2019 he won the Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing; in his portfolio, he highlighted racism in the women’s suffrage movement, showed how newspapers were complicit in Southern lynchings and denounced myths about “crack babies.”


Farah Stockman
National and International Affairs

Farah Stockman joined the Times editorial board in 2020 after four years as a roving national correspondent for The Times. Before that, she was a columnist and editorial writer at The Boston Globe, where she won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary for articles about the legacy of school desegregation efforts in Boston.


Jesse Wegman
The Supreme Court,
Legal Affairs

Jesse Wegman joined the editorial board in 2013. He was previously a senior editor at The Daily Beast and Newsweek, a legal news editor at Reuters and the managing editor of The New York Observer.


Nick Fox
Editor at Large

Nick Fox has been an editor at The Times since 1995, having previously worked as the assignment editor on the National desk, in the Dining section and with the online opinion forum Room for Debate. He previously worked for Newsday and The Bergen Record.

[SunSeeker]

46. How could all those people think DeSantis "demonstrated a commitment to the rule of law"?

He kidnapped asylum seekers in Texas, using covid relief money, and dumped these poor people with nothing on Martha's Vinyard. He not only ignored covid protocols, but lied about them, resulting in his state having one of the highest covid death rates in the US.

How can they say he "demonstrated a commitment to the rule of law and an ability to govern"?

[Celerity]

59. Sheer insulated arrogance (and perhaps a malevolent agenda in some of the cases). Mara Gay surely

must have has SOME pushback. If not, shame on her, especially as she is a Millennial (born on 10 September 1986) woman of colour who is supposedly liberal/proggy. She is biracial herself, and in an interracial marriage, so thus has a hardcore interest (one of many) in fighting back against scum RWers who want to outlaw interracial marriage (I can see that assclown traitor Clarence Thomas taking one for the team at SCOTUS level, as Loving v Virginia is based off of old Clarence's whipping boy, the right to privacy, as are Griswold v Connecticut, the birth control decision, etc etc).

[muriel_volestrangler]

64. Plus his gerrymandering of Florida, overriding the legislature

which may end up being what gave Republicans control of the House.

[Steven Maurer]

13. Real Times' Headlines

Real NYT Opinion Headlines

They're used to embarrassing themselves.

[Emrys]

58. Here:

You can post images from Twitter on DU. Just delete everything in the URL from the ? to the end (in this case, ?format=jpg&name=large ), and replace it with .jpg

[Steven Maurer]

61. Thanks! N/T

[Lonestarblue]

14. Oh gag! Not a one of those listed should be trusted with running our country--unless running it

into the ground and setting us back a hundred years is the goal.

[LAS14]

16. Well, it won't be popular, but I kind of agree...

... with the Times in distinguishing between insane Trumpists and misguided Repubs. We could spend a lot of time analyzing the differences, but I do think there are differences and very much want a "loyal opposition" that is not out to destroy our democracy.

[WarGamer]

18. The NY Times called Liz Cheney and Mike Pence "leading figures"??

Idiots.

Neither one could/will break 3-4% in a GOP Primary.

[paleotn]

19. Ugh. Guess they forgot all about that immigrant flight to Martha's Vineyard.

At least Cheney and Sununu want to work within the system. DeathSantis and "hang 'em high" Pence would love a Putinesque kelpto-fascist theocracy.

[Meowmee]

20. Again

I have lost track of the numerous times. It just gets worse.

[SergeStorms]

21. Policy positions?

The republican party has no policy positions!

Dividing the nation according to people's propensity for using violence as a political tool is not a policy position.

[ancianita]

22. Corporate fucking HYPE. Don't believe it. We on the ground see a whole 'nother DeSantis that

obliterates that claim. He'll only commit when he can win, just like the rest of rethug scum.

[dlk]

23. The mainstream media is normalizing DeSantis in the same way they normalized Trump

Neither of whom are anything approaching normal.

[malthaussen]

24. The Gray Lady is so full of it...

... hardly worth reading the rag anymore.

-- Mal

[llmart]

27. +1

In my lifetime - how far they have fallen as the gold standard of newspapers. It disappoints me to no end.

[Beartracks]

25. Can somebody translate? This seems to be in a foreign language.

What does the phrase "soul of the Republican Party" mean?

============

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. "Soul of the Republican Party" translates to "unbridled greed for power and money"

[hay rick]

56. "Soul of the Republican Party" is an oxymoron. nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

71. Good point!

[dchill]

29. I believe that's called "catapulting the propaganda."

A willingness to advance utter bullshit.

[barbtries]

30. i read that earlier.

i count one. which ironically is a cheney.

[halfulglas]

31. Nikki Haley? I don't remember her commitment to the rule of law.

Tim Scott has been awfully silent the last 3 years.

Among those named Liz Cheney is the only one who hasn't been an embarrassment to the old Republican party.

But of all those named Ron DeSantis has only been committed to Ron DeSantis.

[Evolve Dammit]

32. What crap. Seriously. Alternate facts??

[In It to Win It]

33. It's an Op-ed

[NoMoreRepugs]

36. But it's the NYT - not the Topeka Gazette or some such

goober rag.

[Pepsidog]

37. This is Borowitz right? FU NYT!

[NoMoreRepugs]

38. Pander to the corporate overlords much???

[mountain grammy]

39. I call it republican rehab

[ificandream]

40. Big deal. It's an opinion.

The Times and other newspapers have printed many opinions over the years that people don't agree with. Nothing to see here.

[edhopper]

42. Normalizing DeSantis as

A "responsible Republican" will give us a DeSantis Presidency. But no biggy.

[ificandream]

50. How can you normalize a flake like DeSantis? You can't.

[Skittles]

44. it's not an OPINION, it is a straight-out LIE

WAKE UP

[ificandream]

49. It's an opinion.

Whether it's untrue is a judgement call for the paper's readers. But it's still an opinion.

[Skittles]

55. OK

tell me what law allows DeSantis to fly migrants OUT OF ANOTHER STATE under false pretenses and then abandon them

I'LL WAIT

actually, no I won't, I HATE WASTING MY TIME


*DONE HERE; OVER AND OUT*

[EX500rider]

74. Generally laws don't "allow" things but "prevent" things.

[Skittles]

43. what law says he can fly migrants out from another state and abandon them

SERIOUSLY, WT EVERLOVING F!!!!

[SunSeeker]

45. OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE, NYT!!!

[musclecar6]

48. DeSantis

Is the USA version of Victor Orban. The totalitarian leader of Hungary, who DeSantis is working hard to emulate.

[Deep State Witch]

51. Larry Hogan of Maryland

There. Fixed it for ya, NYT.

[icymist]

52. Oh yeah, DeSatan has busloads of obeying laws

Just ask NYC. Oh wait, New York Times is in NYC. and is a joke, again.

[Wonder Why]

53. And Pence? The biggest weasel in government. His boss tries to get rid of him

and he takes it like a weasel.

If he won, he'd probably be calling Trump every hour to ask him what he should do.

Weasel Willie.

[sop]

54. DeSantis has only proven himself good at getting elected, certainly not governing Florida.

[oldtime dfl_er]

57. The MSM is plumping up deSantis

and others because it sets up drama! excitement! conflict! Old trick and I'm sick of it.

[Celerity]

62. they are his fluffers

[jaxexpat]

60. The root of bothsiderism lay in our free press? Imagine that.

Looking back over the American timescape to catch a glimpse of our origins there is a constant factual observation. A truth difficult to digest and often the most valuable and useful. It exercises the imagination and forges new paths into self-awareness.

People do discount each other. They agree to hate and take sides in conflict. They create heroes and empower villains. They seek solace in times of despair in the words of those who often lie to them. This is the means by which the masses endure servitude to their fate.

Truth is balanced, a judicious duality of purpose. That esoteric secret is the only gauge by which the New York Times has ever deserved reverence as a clarion of righteousness and truth. So this, the latest missive from our dependable "progressive" ally is another inevitable example of the ugliness beneath which they have doused their light. It's simply another lie they propel in an effort to maintain an interesting chaos. That's what sells papers, kids.

[czarjak]

63. Fight For Trump. The. Soul. Of. The. Republican. Party.

[lark]

65. Reason #1 I unsubscribed from NYT 2 years ago.

Think it was a gushing Haberman puff piece about tfg that sealed it for me.

[Hope22]

66. This is what we are up against!

Insanity through and through!

[docgee]

68. I don't know, tying deSatin to Liz Cheney and Pence sounds good to me.

Less nut job Maga support for deSatin.

[edhopper]

69. And more low info "independents"

will now vote for him.

[samsingh]

70. nikki haley, an immigrant, wants to send Senator Warnock out of the country

does not sound like a comment from a lawful person.

why is the nytimes so stupid and dense

[Martin68]

72. Ron de Santis? The guy who makes teaching U.S. history in schools illegal.

Who punished Disney for opposing his homophobic positions? Disappointing. There were a lot of comments saying the same in opposition to the editorial online.

[druidity33]

73. Well it's an opinion piece...

on the editorial page. It's not exactly an endorsement by the paper. Would you want to curtail Charles Blow for being too pro-Democrat?

[Hortensis]

76. Yes, that's exactly what it is -- a statement by the NYT Editorial Board.

Maybe they're grading on a really huge curve.

Maybe my trouble with this is that the Republican politicians' names are linked in my mind with some of the WORST, most corrupt and traitorous statements each have made, not with analyses of their overall political behaviors. ?

Of course, the NYT itself is also linked in my mind with some of its own WORST, most corrupt and betraying behaviors designed to defeat Democrats and elect Republicans. However, it's still by virtually all analyses also one of the best and most valuably informative investigative newspapers on the planet.

[druidity33]

77. Holy shit!

I hadn't read the piece yet and didn't realize it was by the Editorial Board. I thought it was by some shitty ex-Senator or Joe Lieberman or some nobody. I actually completely agree with you! This is unconscionable! What the fuck were they thinking?

I'll be removing my prior post...

[maxsolomon]

75. I guess you'd better cancel your subscription.

The editorial board walks a Centrist line, where the GQP is a legitimate political party. Instead of a gang of fascist traitors.

I've learned to live with it. They will endorse whatever Dem has the party nomination over whatever Repuke the GQP coughs out.

[edhopper]

78. Does that include

lying that DeSantis is committed to the rule of law, when there own paper has published numerous articles about how he does not?

[maxsolomon]

79. sure, it includes that.

there is a diversity of opinion there. most of the op-ed staff think he's awful just like we do: michelle goldberg, klugman, charles blow...

the editorial board has quite a few members; IDK if whoever wrote this knows they're "lying" by having DeSantis in a list of Repuke Govs that actually govern.

like i said, you should probably end your subscription if you're so incensed about it. how many years have you had one?