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babylonsister

(171,096 posts)
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:49 PM Nov 2022

Attorney General Merrick Garland to name special counsel in Trump criminal probe, report says

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/18/attorney-general-merrick-garland-to-name-special-counsel-in-trump-criminal-probe-report-says.html

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Attorney General Merrick Garland to name special counsel in Trump criminal probe, report says
Published Fri, Nov 18 20221:27 PM ESTUpdated 4 Min Ago
Dan Mangan
@_DanMangan

Key Points

U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special counsel to determine whether criminal charges should be filed against former President Donald Trump, according to a report.
News of the planned appointment of the special counsel, which was reported by The Wall Street Journal, came three days after Trump announced plans to run for president in 2024.
NBC News reported that the special counsel, whose name has not been announced, will make decisions for two Department of Justice investigations of Trump.
One is focused on whether Trump broke the law and obstructed justice in connection with his removal of hundreds of documents from the White House, which were shipped to his residence at Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida.
The other probe is related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by a mob of Trump supporters.





U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland will appoint a special counsel to determine whether criminal charges should be filed against former President Donald Trump in connection with two pending investigations, according to reports Friday.

News of the planned appointment of the special counsel, which was reported by The Wall Street Journal, came three days after Trump announced plans to run for president in 2024. The Republican faces multiple criminal investigations.

NBC News reported that the special counsel, whose name has not been announced, will make decisions for two Department of Justice investigations of Trump.

One is focused on whether Trump broke the law and obstructed justice in connection with his removal of hundreds of documents from the White House, which were shipped to his residence at Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida. The other probe is related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot by a mob of Trump supporters.

Garland’s appointment of a special counsel could tamp down concerns that he would have a conflict of interest if he were the one to decide whether Trump should be prosecuted. The attorney general was appointed by President Joe Biden, a Democrat who defeated Trump in his 2020 re-election bid.

Biden could again face Trump again in the 2024 election.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates.
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Attorney General Merrick Garland to name special counsel in Trump criminal probe, report says (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2022 OP
Proving claudette Nov 2022 #1
HUH?? His job is to appoint others. nt babylonsister Nov 2022 #3
I thought the job claudette Nov 2022 #7
No, it isn't. It's a grand jury's job to indict people who might be criminals. Ocelot II Nov 2022 #20
Why would he have to claudette Nov 2022 #25
I Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2022 #33
It's literally not the AG's job to indict anyone Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #9
So Now - It's The Attorney General Who Was Appointed By Biden A Dem That Defeated Tr**p.... global1 Nov 2022 #29
It's the freaking way the law works Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #34
Let's Go malaise Nov 2022 #2
Could happen! babylonsister Nov 2022 #8
Garland will be speaking shortly - 2.15pm malaise Nov 2022 #26
Another Mueller edhopper Nov 2022 #4
Smart move with the GQP about to take over the House. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2022 #5
I'd love to see babylonsister Nov 2022 #32
That's a great idea. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2022 #39
Good Grief! calimary Nov 2022 #6
Isn't this claudette Nov 2022 #10
No, it's avoiding claims of a conflict of interest, Ocelot II Nov 2022 #12
Why wasn't it done 2 years ago. I am tired of defending him. There should be a case ready to go JohnSJ Nov 2022 #30
This. calimary Nov 2022 #45
There is literally no one they can make special counsel Cosmocat Nov 2022 #35
And this! calimary Nov 2022 #46
Maybe DU should name the special counsel Ocelot II Nov 2022 #11
+1 Million! MineralMan Nov 2022 #15
Yea, the 'experts' on here boggle the mind. nt babylonsister Nov 2022 #18
OK. I'm going with Dave. The special counsel will be called 'Dave'. iscooterliberally Nov 2022 #27
Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2022 #44
And I think this is a step in that direction. nt babylonsister Nov 2022 #13
Merrick Christmas! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2022 #14
Unfortunately, that reminds me of "Fitzmas". calimary Nov 2022 #47
That was the joke. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2022 #48
Yeah. I'm afraid the whole thing is turning into a joke. calimary Nov 2022 #50
fantastic Takket Nov 2022 #16
Personally claudette Nov 2022 #21
Back to Fitsmas again montanacowboy Nov 2022 #17
it's absurd to worry about what Trump supporters will say GenXer47 Nov 2022 #19
This is the right thing to do but... PCIntern Nov 2022 #22
It feels like he punted RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2022 #23
He was caught with thousands of gov. docs, several top secret. brush Nov 2022 #24
The problem is that those documents can't be used as evidence Ocelot II Nov 2022 #37
Thanks. trump and Judge Cannon's delay game. brush Nov 2022 #40
I think the 11th Circuit will dispatch this matter in favor of DoJ Ocelot II Nov 2022 #43
If he was going to do this, he should have done so early on dsc Nov 2022 #28
Exactly. He is definitely not up to the job JohnSJ Nov 2022 #36
Lets wait and see who he appoints. fightforfreedom Nov 2022 #31
The special counsel does not have to start a new investigation. fightforfreedom Nov 2022 #38
Garland on now n/t malaise Nov 2022 #41
Thank you. fightforfreedom Nov 2022 #42
Frikkin AWESOME GuppyGal Nov 2022 #49

Ocelot II

(115,874 posts)
20. No, it isn't. It's a grand jury's job to indict people who might be criminals.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:59 PM
Nov 2022

Prosecutors present evidence to a grand jury, which then decides whether there's probable cause to believe certain crimes were committed. Then there is an ongoing prosecution only if the grand jury returns an indictment. Appointing a special counsel doesn't change the process at all; it just removes the AG from direct involvement and accusations of a conflict of interest.

claudette

(3,604 posts)
25. Why would he have to
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:02 PM
Nov 2022

Remove himself? He can’t indict but he could have charged him long ago in my opinion.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
33. I Agree, Ma'am
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:10 PM
Nov 2022

A lot depends on who is appointed, and how current with the investigation the appointee is.

This does not necessarily mean further delay, and likely was long-contemplated.

Johnny2X2X

(19,137 posts)
9. It's literally not the AG's job to indict anyone
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

His job is to appoint others to handle these things so there's no appearance of politicization at all.

global1

(25,276 posts)
29. So Now - It's The Attorney General Who Was Appointed By Biden A Dem That Defeated Tr**p....
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:06 PM
Nov 2022

in his 2020 re-election bid that appointed a special prosecutor.

The appointed by a Dem is still in the equation. Repugs will still hollar 'politicization'.

You just can't win.


Johnny2X2X

(19,137 posts)
34. It's the freaking way the law works
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

US AGs don't prosecute cases, they're not the person handling it, they delegate, that's their role.

This was the exact thing to do, Garland couldn't just announce a prosecution just because politics. What country do people think we live in?

malaise

(269,193 posts)
26. Garland will be speaking shortly - 2.15pm
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:02 PM
Nov 2022

I think he will be indicted but this is really taking long

greatauntoftriplets

(175,753 posts)
5. Smart move with the GQP about to take over the House.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

He won't do it, but I'd love for President Obama to be named the special counsel.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,753 posts)
39. That's a great idea.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:19 PM
Nov 2022

drumpf will cry foul whoever it is, of course. Just heard on CNN that MAGA has been dreading a special counsel.

Ocelot II

(115,874 posts)
12. No, it's avoiding claims of a conflict of interest,
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:56 PM
Nov 2022

and a special counsel would have to work with DoJ anyhow.

JohnSJ

(92,427 posts)
30. Why wasn't it done 2 years ago. I am tired of defending him. There should be a case ready to go
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:07 PM
Nov 2022

To the grand jury.

He is going to get heavily criticized for sitting on this for two years, and it will be extremely demoralizing to the base.

Without a doubt, I predict this will end up just like the Mueller investigation, that is assuming congress even allows funds to be allocated for another special prosecutor

After the Capital was attacked, and our elected representatives lives were put at risk, Garland is afraid that it will appear there is a conflict of interest

What planet is he living on after everything that has happened





Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
35. There is literally no one they can make special counsel
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

that if that person recommend prosecution, the lunatics won't scream that person has some kind of conflict or is a partisan.

Ocelot II

(115,874 posts)
11. Maybe DU should name the special counsel
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:55 PM
Nov 2022

since we all seem to know exactly what ought to be done, and when.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,054 posts)
14. Merrick Christmas!
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:56 PM
Nov 2022

Interesting take (link to Mueller She Wrote Twitter thread):




I have been calling for a special counsel for a while for multiple reasons - but most importantly - TRANSPARENCY. A special counsel must say what they’re investigating, and they have to report to congress any prosecutorial decisions OR declination decisions. 2/

calimary

(81,518 posts)
47. Unfortunately, that reminds me of "Fitzmas".
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 04:44 PM
Nov 2022

That was the last time we were excited by one of these fellows.

Jargon Database
https://www.jargondatabase.com › F...
Fitzmas - The best definition
Fitzmas. The joyous day (to progressives) when Patrick Fitzgerald will come and issue indictments to the Bush administration.

And we waited. And waited. And kept our hopes up. And waited some more. And there wound up being nothing in our Christmas stockings. Not even lumps of coal.

calimary

(81,518 posts)
50. Yeah. I'm afraid the whole thing is turning into a joke.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 06:31 PM
Nov 2022

A bad joke.

What I’d do, if I were in position to do something?

Summon a fleet of bulldozers. Run ‘em through the gates of Mar-a-Lago, and not stop til the whole damn joint was ground into the ground.

Well, I can dream, can’t I?

Takket

(21,635 posts)
16. fantastic
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:57 PM
Nov 2022

so how long is that going to take for a special council to go over all the evidence? months? years?

more delays

more excuses

more worrying more about appearances than getting to the bottom of things.

Does he actually think that if he does everything to maintain the "appearance of political impartiality" that when it is over the rethugs aren't still going to SCREAM that it is a political hit job? Stop worrying what they think and just get this done.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
19. it's absurd to worry about what Trump supporters will say
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 02:59 PM
Nov 2022

since we know they will cry "all political" and "so unfair!" no matter who investigates or what happens.

PCIntern

(25,595 posts)
22. This is the right thing to do but...
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:00 PM
Nov 2022

It should’ve been done 15 months ago. How many months is the hiring process, reviews, reports, testimony, and who knows what else? Trump may die of old age before anything happens…

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,676 posts)
23. It feels like he punted
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:01 PM
Nov 2022

does it not.


Trump is a conflict of interest in everything he says and does and yet walks and talks like a free man who did it!!!

LFG

brush

(53,908 posts)
24. He was caught with thousands of gov. docs, several top secret.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:02 PM
Nov 2022

Anyone else caught with evidence like that in their home would already be in jail. What's this now, another months' long delay? trump has got Garland playing from his "delay, delay, delay" playbook.

Ridiculous.

Ocelot II

(115,874 posts)
37. The problem is that those documents can't be used as evidence
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:16 PM
Nov 2022

until the 11th Circuit decides whether the special master can turn them back over to the prosecutors. That decision will probably come pretty fast, since oral arguments are scheduled for (I think) next week, but as of right now those documents are unavailable as evidence and they can't bring charges based on them until they are.

Ocelot II

(115,874 posts)
43. I think the 11th Circuit will dispatch this matter in favor of DoJ
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:32 PM
Nov 2022

in a matter of weeks, not months.

dsc

(52,167 posts)
28. If he was going to do this, he should have done so early on
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:04 PM
Nov 2022

we are nearly two years into this investigation, and every single, solitary step will now have to be redone, meaning if we don't win in 2024 he will get away scot free. People who have taken $10 from pizza delivery people are serving life in prison and he is now a coin flip at worst from getting away with treason.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
31. Lets wait and see who he appoints.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:07 PM
Nov 2022

Garland can still indict people in Trumps inner circle while the special counsel decides whether or not Trump can be charge. This news tells me the investigations are still moving forward and may be nearing there conclusions.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
38. The special counsel does not have to start a new investigation.
Fri Nov 18, 2022, 03:16 PM
Nov 2022

I believe Garland is asking him or her to examine the evidence already gathered and decide if there is enough evidence to charge traitor Trump. It should not take long.

How long will it take for a special counsel to decide whether or not Trump obstructed justice when he was subpoenaed for the documents. That one shouldn't take very long. Garland knows what he is doing.

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