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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 07:52 AM Nov 2022

Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change?

Borders define our fate, our life expectancy, our identity, and so much more. Yet they are an invention just like the maps I used to draw. Our borders don't exist as immutable facets of the landscape, they are not natural parts of our planet, and were invented relatively recently.

It can be argued, however, that most of these imaginary lines are not fit for the world of the 21st Century with its soaring population, dramatic climate change and resource scarcity. Indeed, the idea of keeping foreign people out using borders is relatively recent. States used to be far more concerned about stopping people from leaving than preventing their arrival. They needed their labour and taxes, and emigration still poses a headache for many states.

There are, however, true human borders set not by politics or hereditary sovereigns, but by the physical properties of our planet. These planetary borders for our mammal species are defined by geography and climate. Humans cannot live in large numbers in Antarctica or in the Sahara Desert, for instance. As global temperatures increase, causing climate change, sea level rise and extreme weather over the coming decades, large parts of the world that are home to some of the biggest populations will become increasingly hard to live in. Coastlines, island states and major cities in the tropics will be among the hardest hit, according to predictions by climate scientists.

Unable to adapt to increasingly extreme conditions, millions – or even billions – of people will need to move.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221117-how-borders-might-change-to-cope-with-climate-migration

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Is the world ready for mass migration due to climate change? (Original Post) ck4829 Nov 2022 OP
Kick & recommend. bronxiteforever Nov 2022 #1
nope not at all. Javaman Nov 2022 #2
Migration because of climate, war and famine is not new. The Jungle 1 Nov 2022 #3
Not even close... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #4
I really think people living on the U.S. coast who lose their houses to hurricanes tanyev Nov 2022 #5
It's already happening. mn9driver Nov 2022 #6
No, it will be too late before people will even get a clue Ohioboy Nov 2022 #7
Nailed them and unfortunately.... Duppers Nov 2022 #19
"Unable to adapt" The are two things we cannot adapt to which is lack of fresh water and oxygen. cstanleytech Nov 2022 #8
The Great Lakes. roamer65 Nov 2022 #17
My plan is to claim it's a hoax since it was cold the other night IronLionZion Nov 2022 #9
The migration has started but it's not what you think socialist cyclist Nov 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author RSherman Nov 2022 #14
Answer: no. Too many people in denial. calimary Nov 2022 #11
It's happening already Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #12
I'll take John Lennon "Imagine" multigraincracker Nov 2022 #13
To answer the question in the subject line - NO Farmer-Rick Nov 2022 #15
It's already happening. roamer65 Nov 2022 #16
the world? no. The elites? possibly Amishman Nov 2022 #18
Find me one politician who doesn't tout economic growth Ron Green Nov 2022 #20
Natural borders Jack the Greater Nov 2022 #21

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
2. nope not at all.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:50 AM
Nov 2022

just here in the states when Katrina hit, we in the surrounding states were woefully unprepared for climate victims.

and that was just a preview of things to come.

once the ice shelf holding back the Thwaites and Pine glaciers go (with in 5 years); all bets are off. the then slow and steady rise of the oceans, globally, will go up 2 to 3 meters.

any hurricane that hits from that point forward anywhere in the world will cause massive displacement, because, more than likely, that water from the tidal surge? won't be washing back out.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
3. Migration because of climate, war and famine is not new.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:12 AM
Nov 2022

The difference now will be the number of people involved.
Millions will die because of climate change. Abortion and current refugees are the two biggest issues on the right. They have no clue what is coming.
Christianity teaches us to welcome the stranger! Will radical right Americans do it?

tanyev

(42,568 posts)
5. I really think people living on the U.S. coast who lose their houses to hurricanes
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:32 AM
Nov 2022

should be given incentive to rebuild elsewhere and discouraged from rebuilding where they were.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
7. No, it will be too late before people will even get a clue
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:45 AM
Nov 2022

Deniers refuse to consider that their good lives and economy will ever change. They don't even want to hear of the possibility. They would rather kill the messenger and stay in denial to the very end. They might get their guns ready to join any chaos, but they'll work hard to keep their heads in the sand when it comes to any other solutions.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
19. Nailed them and unfortunately....
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:03 AM
Nov 2022

Most people are in denial.

It would be interesting to take a poll here....but folks here seem to have taken notice in the past couple of years.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
8. "Unable to adapt" The are two things we cannot adapt to which is lack of fresh water and oxygen.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:52 AM
Nov 2022

Otherwise our species has the ability to adapt fast than almost any other species.

10. The migration has started but it's not what you think
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:02 AM
Nov 2022

Here in Vermont, it’s the wealthy who are moving into the state, buying second homes and displacing local residents. The “migrants” are rich, probably conservative. I think the future here is going to be “interesting”.

Response to socialist cyclist (Reply #10)

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
12. It's happening already
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:09 AM
Nov 2022

It's just not as cut and dry as most people need for them to make the connection. Subsistence farming in the mountains of Central America has been failing for decades due to global warming. So villagers moved to bigger cities to be able to find work and survive, the cities became overcrowded. Over crowding led to poorer living conditions, increased crime, and gangs. The people we are seeing at our Southern Border right now are fleeing that crime, there there because of global warming.

Political leaders in the US need to be able to tie these two issues together, it's cause and effect. But I fear the globe will see an increase in authoritarianism as a response to climate migration.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
15. To answer the question in the subject line - NO
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:21 AM
Nov 2022

What? you think humans will carefully consider and plan for an upcoming problem? Humans use their vast brains for more than emotional thinking and pleasure seeking? Impossible.

We will do what humans have always done. Do nothing, let the problem cause suffering and death, get the wrong end of the stick and blame it on one of many gods.

Eventually, so many people will die that the right thing happens by default.

Here's hoping some humans are able to hang on until the last bit of overheating from the Koch Bros and petroleum profits have dissipated.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
16. It's already happening.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:47 AM
Nov 2022

A lot of the pressure on the southern border with Mexico is climate change refugees.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
18. the world? no. The elites? possibly
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:50 AM
Nov 2022

The RWNJ's are being coaxed to oppose immigrants, deny climate change, and arm themselves heavily. By chance or by subtle manipulation, they are poised to violently oppose any mass migration into the rural areas of this country. At the same time, we see wealthy elites making largescale purchases of farmland and other open spaces in the areas that have the most xenophobic RWNJs.

A suspicious person could see this as a form of long term backup plan by the billionaire class.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
21. Natural borders
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 11:23 AM
Nov 2022

"Our borders don't exist as immutable facets of the landscape, they are not natural parts of our planet, and were invented relatively recently. "

Rivers? Mountain ranges? Ocean and sea coastlines? These and other natural features form a large percentage of national borders.

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