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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow will Tesla's sales fare if it becomes inextricably linked with MAGA?
What if it becomes the equivalent of a MAGA hat?
doc03
(35,349 posts)buying them now if Musk supports TBL.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But will Non- MAGAS buy them if Musk becomes the avatar for MAGA REPUBLICANS? He "pals around" with them on ywitter and endorsed Republicans in the midterms.
doc03
(35,349 posts)EV they start talking about how bad they are. They say batteries cost $30k, the electric grid can't handle them, you have to stop and charge them after 200 miles, you have to pay $200 extra for registration and so on.
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mitch96
(13,912 posts)for it's money. A plug in Hybrid with 37 mile electric range and a gas engine. Electric for around town and electric gas when you want to do a road trip. Cost's less than a T'la
The top of the line version is a whopping 220 horsepower❗️This is a rocket ship and looks way cool in my book. On top of that the Prius is one of the most reliable cars on the road per all the Moto rags. Still to expensive for me but maybe in the future..
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https://pressroom.toyota.com/poised-for-performance-2023-toyota-prius-prime-revealed/
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)It will definitely fill a niche for some.
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I would love to see one up close and personal. Yes very slick looking car, fast and gets 54 mpg? sign me up... I hear a year wait go get one..
My gripe is they are a bit too low to get in and out of for me and it hits curbs. This is a common complaint from Prius drivers. Too low and hit's speed bumps. A guy in california makes 1 ½ inch lift kits to raise them a bit and people who have installed them really like the inexpensive ($375) kit.
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tinrobot
(10,903 posts)mitch96
(13,912 posts)spooky3
(34,460 posts)And it was worth less than half of its peak value before today.
ProfessorGAC
(65,077 posts)Still overvalued.
sop
(10,203 posts)Last I heard they still believe EVs are a communist plot to take away their God-given right as Americans to burn as much fossil fuel as possible.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,050 posts)tinrobot
(10,903 posts)The Cybertruck might be the EV for them. It's certainly large and obnoxious-looking.
sop
(10,203 posts)It's sufficiently large and obnoxious, it retains that traditional monster truck look, and with the price of diesel fuel so high a lot of guys might be persuaded to go electric. Plus they can use it as a standby generator when the power goes out.
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)I parked next to one last week. Damn, that thing is huge and obnoxious.
But at least it's not burning gasoline. Step in the right direction.
already selling like crazy. You can't just go buy one. None to be found. You have to order and get in line.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
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PAMod
(906 posts)with GM and others right there with them. Tesla has many difficult days coming.
hunter
(38,318 posts)... and offer it up as a captive brand.
The end will come when they start an advertising campaign, "Not your father's Tesla."
Musk is going to end up isolating himself in a hotel room somewhere like Howard Hughes, sitting naked in front of a television 24/7 watching a carefully-edited-by-his-last-remaining-sycophants highlight video of his life.
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)But the buyer won't be GM. It'll be a tech company like Apple.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)AND most of the RW is ideologically averse to EV's to begin with, AND the left-leaning consumer market is not enamored of Musk's off-putting antics as of late, I see Tesla sales declining along with a further decline in stock value.
Bobstandard
(1,312 posts)Now Im looking elsewhere, and Musks Twitter douchery tipped the scales. Ill just wait a bit and choose from the other options. The Polestar and Lucid both look great.
MLAA
(17,298 posts)MichMan
(11,939 posts)What are the views of the CEO of Toyota or Honda ? What about Ford or BMW?
Does anyone even know ?
MLAA
(17,298 posts)Papa Johns, Goya Beans, Tesla.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That clown is gone now. And to compare Musk to a garden variety CE0 is absurd. He's ubiquitous.
hunter
(38,318 posts)Our local franchise owner had a very diverse group of friendly employees. Asshole CEO "Papa John" Schnatter killed it.
Another pizza franchise soon opened nearby and is doing very good business. Like most successful corporations they are not overtly religious or political.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And did any of them endorse the Republican party in the midterms on twitter to their one hundred and eighteen million followers.
MichMan
(11,939 posts)Have no interest in buying an EV either.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And it's more subtle than that. A lot of people won't want to buy a product that is so closely related to a political movement they find odious and dangerous. As to twitter and Musk's purchase of it it's a seminal event. A simple news search will attest to that.
newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)do you hear any of those guys belching crap like musk does? Or buying up social platforms? I don't.
mitch96
(13,912 posts)I wanted a VW... Old hate is hard to die.
Especially when your whole European family was killed by the nazi...
Yes he was ANTIFA during WW2.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Few Auto CEO's bring the attention to themselves Musk does. So there's that.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I know people here in Los Angeles who have already sold their Teslas due to Musk's behavior, plus I've heard from a whole lot more people who've said they'd never consider the purchase one now.
A Tesla may not be quite as repugnant as a MAGA hat, but the allure of driving one of their cars as a way of demonstrating one's "values" has flipped entirely in my estimation.
Did Musk not consider what group was his core car-buying demographic?
haele
(12,660 posts)...got enough funding to actually begin production and was located near a bunch of wealthy high tech communities where there were plenty of well-off people willing to purchase the vehicles as luxury items.
Musk was able to leverage both the high price of Teslas and a lot of state and federal government environmental subsidies to expand the charging station infrastructure so that the idea of EVs became more approachable to the average American consumer.
Now that the bigger auto companies are pursuing EVs and improving technology and reliability, Tesla market share will begin to decrease to the point where only Tesla or Musk fan-bois will continue to think about buying those high priced, unreliable cars.
Tesla has had very strange Consumer Reports rating for EVs over the past 10 years or so - Highest Customer Satisfaction, but Lowest Vehicle Reliability. Most Tesla owners I know think nothing about the approximately twice-annual trip to the mechanic to fix a problem or recall issue. They view these "issues" as if they were the equivalent of a two-day ICE vehicle tune-up and lube trip.
Haele
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)tinrobot
(10,903 posts)It used to be that Tesla had the market to themselves. Not anymore. They will move from market leader to just one of many.
I just went to the LA Auto show and there's so many good EVs from so many manufacturers. A lot of these cars were better equipped and more stylish than Teslas. The competition is getting formidable.
Tesla is already falling behind in Europe. The US will be next.
edhopper
(33,589 posts)panache with "left coast liberals". Other companies are already building better EVs.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)edhopper
(33,589 posts)but will their sales continue going forward after Musk's Twitter fiasco?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It's more subtle than a boycott. I would argue Tesla= MAGA = an unpleasant association for some.
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)People who like to differentiate themselves will start choosing other EVs.
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)He is now like the pillow guy.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)They are already being hit by issues with cars spontaneously combusting, "driverless" crashes, and other issues. And, as others have pointed out, competition.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 21, 2022, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)
And I dispute the notion that they see Musk as one of theirs
JI7
(89,252 posts)and opposed to non gas guzzling vehicles.
Happy Hoosier
(7,322 posts)But no longer. Fuck Elon Musk.
Besides, I think there will be better alternatives by the time I'm ready to buy.
JI7
(89,252 posts)one day if I could save enough money. But not anymore.
AmBlue
(3,111 posts)When the Model 3 came out and you could only get on a waiting list, I placed a deposit. At that time, I knew nothing of Elon Musk, I just liked the car and wanted to go 100% electric.
While I waited nearly a year for that car, I learned more and read every article I could about the Tesla company. With Musk constantly in the headlines, showing himself to be an arrogant prick, I pulled my deposit. I'm sure I'm not the only one.