Tell me I'm wrong

[Septua]

Let's get practical for a minute. Trump lost the popular vote in both '16 and '20. He has 'announced' his intentions to run in '24 solely as a ploy to avoid prosecution...which I don't believe will work. I firmly believe the Mar-a-Lago investigation will lead to an indictment, particularly with the new special counsel in place.

But let's assume Trump avoids prosecution and is on the 2024 ballot. The recent mid-term election proved the voters don't want a Trump type in office and his '16 and '20 runs show the national majority doesn't want him in the White House. He has lost some amount of influence for whatever reasons since 2020 and has nothing new or effective to campaign on. So, if he runs in 2024, he won't win the popular vote and hopefully not the electoral vote.

DeSantis is popular in Florida...but his radical views and actions in Florida don't reflect the national sentiment, so who's gonna' vote for him to lead the country? I don't see any Republican potentials who can win the 2024 popular vote...

[Walleye]

1. I think you are right, they talk about their deep bench, I don't see it

They have spent so much time dicking around with trump, they don’t really have anybody else

[MontanaMama]

5. Former VP said on whatever interview he had this last weekend

that they had “so many more choices” for President in 2024. Really? Who?

[Walleye]

7. I'm pretty sure he was referring to himself

[MontanaMama]

9. Oh I agree!

I was being coy….I wish Chuck Toad would have ask him…but we all know why he didn’t.

[SheltieLover]

12. Maybe the visiting fly will be VP pick?

[onecaliberal]

2. Trump won't allow anyone else without burning it all to the ground.

Pukes need to decide.

[LeftinOH]

3. Dems can win the White House without Florida -- or Ohio.

The 2020 election proved that. But winning PA, MI, and WI is vitally important. AZ, NV and GA are super helpful wins, too. The focus for winning 2024 would be on winning the electoral votes of these six states.. the first three listed being the most important.

[underpants]

4. I think the number of people in their primary will be key

If it’s 1 on 1 against DeSantis especially, Trump doesn’t get the nomination. If a bunch of their lunkheads jump in Trump can win primaries with a plurality like he did in 2016 when they had 17 people running.

[doc03]

6. It depends on the economy over the next 2 years. It

depends on who runs on our side too. I like Biden and think he has done a great job. But he is going to be 84
will he run or be able to run again? There is a very good chance he may not be our candidate in 2024.

[hurple]

13. He just turned 80

So, next year, 2023 he will turn 81.

In 2024, just after the election, he will turn 82.

So, he will be 81 on Election day, but 82 before he takes the oath in January.

Not 84.

[doc03]

20. I was thinking of a four year term not the two left of this

one. Anyway at 74 I am past my expiration date. Biden is 80 years old age has to be a factor.

[hurple]

22. Why?

I am only in my early 50's but have an uncle who is in his mid-90's who still rides a motorcycle as his primary mode of transportation. He still tinkers in his garage and just finished an addition to his house, which he built alone.


Next time I see him I'll let him know you said he needs to stop because he's too old and he will likely whoop my ass for doing it.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

8. They don't care about the popular vote

Could DeSantis win swing states like MI, WI, PA, etc? Because that's all that matters. DeSantis couldn't care less about his appeal to blue states and red states are a lock to vote for him. All that matters are the swing states and that is who the gop will try to appeal too(if they aren't totally braindead).

[FoxNewsSucks]

10. Propaganda and advertising work

You're right, but that doesn't take into account the fact that their side owns and controls the media, and all the myriad ways of influencing people such as Fecesbook ( who already told their factcheckers to ignore MF45), Tweeter, bigoted churches etc.

It's all on their side, and they have billions financing it.

[sarisataka]

11. Alright-You're wrong

Without a crystal ball however you may be right and there is no Republican who can win the popular vote.

On the other hand the fact is, and you even allude to it, the popular vote DOES NOT MATTER. Only the Electoral Vote is required for to become President.

[Septua]

19. Yeah, there are a lot of...

..what-ifs, some of those unknown, to consider.

I guess the idea I'm suggesting is the majority of the country is pro-democracy for the moment. I just don't see how a anti-abortion, pro-vote suppressing, build-a-wall, election denying, anti-critical race theory candidate can win the White House, without the Repugs rigging the election.

[sarisataka]

21. I did a count once and added up how many electoral votes

Are needed to win. For Democrats the number is, unsurprisingly 270 but for Republicans it is only 138. Now I did this before 2020 so there may be some change.

How is this possible that Republicans only need to get 138 votes you may wonder. It is simple- we give them a head start. When you add up all of those red 'fuck 'em we don't need them' states the Republicans can count on 132 nearly uncontested electoral votes.

Lately I've seen posters who want to add Florida and Ohio to the fuck 'em list. That would give Republicans a head start of about 179 votes. They need to pick up less than 100 to win the election and popular vote be damned.

We need to realize this and stop giving away votes before we fuck 'em ourselves out of any chance to win.

[wnylib]

14. At this moment in time, things do not

look good for Trump or DeSantis.

But, the House will have the next two years to revive the MAGA propaganda. They will spend those 2 years discrediting everything Democratic and small "d" democratic. The overturn of Roe was a BIG issue in our favor in the midterms. We will not have that in 2024.

A lot depends on how well we define ourselves and discredit the RW lies and distortions.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. I think you're right.

Trump won’t win because he has been bleeding supporters and it will be worse for him in 2024. DeSantis won’t win because he has the charisma of a turnip.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

16. I agree

But then again, they don't have to win the popular vote.

[GoCubsGo]

17. You're not wrong, for the most part.

Particularly about De Santis. He may be like Trump, but lacks the kind of charisma many see in Trump. He's short and has a whiny voice. He's a lousy speaker and debater. Once the country sees and hears him side-by-side with others, they're going to be turned off.

As for no potentials who can win the popular vote, that remains to be seen. As things stand now, it's probably the case. But, a lot can happen in a year and a half...

[Kennah]

18. Best case, I believe, is DeSatan wins the primary, and TFG runs as a Turd

Split the vote, and Biden still wins the majority of the popular vote and the electoral vote.