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speak easy

(9,259 posts)
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 02:24 PM Nov 2022

Airlines Push for One Pilot Flights to Cut Costs Despite Safety Fears

Airlines Push for Lone Pilot Flights to Cut Costs Despite Safety Fears

(Bloomberg) -- Airlines and regulators are pushing to have just one pilot in the cockpit of passenger jets instead of two. It would lower costs and ease pressure from crew shortages, but placing such responsibility on a single person at the controls is unsettling for some.

Over 40 countries including Germany, the UK and New Zealand have asked the United Nations body that sets aviation standards to help make single-pilot flights a safe reality. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency has also been working with planemakers to determine how solo flights would operate and preparing rules to oversee them. EASA said such services could start in 2027.

The plan doesn’t sit well with pilots. It’s a hard sell for passengers, too.

Tony Lucas, an Airbus SE A330 captain for Qantas Airways Ltd. and president of the Australian & International Pilots Association, is concerned that a lone pilot might be overwhelmed by an emergency before anyone else has time to reach the cockpit to help.

https://news.yahoo.com/airlines-push-lone-pilot-flights-220000445.html

Greed.
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Airlines Push for One Pilot Flights to Cut Costs Despite Safety Fears (Original Post) speak easy Nov 2022 OP
That's a hard no. crickets Nov 2022 #1
Oh, hell no! EndlessWire Nov 2022 #2
It's all about greed and profit. Initech Nov 2022 #5
Train them and PAY them properly. nt crickets Nov 2022 #6
um...nope... bahboo Nov 2022 #3
What could possibly go wrong? Initech Nov 2022 #4
... roamer65 Nov 2022 #14
You can tell me, I'm a doctor. Initech Nov 2022 #15
.. roamer65 Nov 2022 #17
It's OK the Captain is flying the plane. No need to panic. Initech Nov 2022 #21
... roamer65 Nov 2022 #24
... crickets Nov 2022 #31
What a terrible idea. They need to watch some episodes of Air Disasters! STAT! beaglelover Nov 2022 #7
I watch that show all the time nt XanaDUer2 Nov 2022 #11
Agree, seen enough of the episodes to realize this is a horrible idea! Deuce Nov 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Nov 2022 #13
... roamer65 Nov 2022 #19
When Kramer hears about this, the shit's gonna hit the fan! Initech Nov 2022 #23
... roamer65 Nov 2022 #28
Or TheFlightChannel Disaffected Nov 2022 #26
I have long suspected that they have only one luggage handler. Sneederbunk Nov 2022 #8
Railroads have been pushing for automated trains with no humans driving them, so why not? Kennah Nov 2022 #9
I don't like this XanaDUer2 Nov 2022 #10
A better idea is to change the mandatory retirement age for pilots Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #16
I would want it mandatory for airlines to disclose far in advance which flights have only one pilot DFW Nov 2022 #18
Information I'd Like To Have, Too ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #20
Just don't eat the fish. roamer65 Nov 2022 #22
Over, Oveur. DFW Nov 2022 #25
... roamer65 Nov 2022 #27
"We have to get these people to a hospital!" "Hospital? Why? What is it?" DFW Nov 2022 #29
With all the reports of people just suddenly dropping dead lately? liberal_mama Nov 2022 #30
Gosh, what a great idea! newdayneeded Nov 2022 #32
One pilot in heavy turbojet commercial air travel? It will never happen. Lucid Dreamer Nov 2022 #33

EndlessWire

(6,537 posts)
2. Oh, hell no!
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 02:45 PM
Nov 2022

In this day and age, when they are planning to try for nongas engines, new innovations, and other sundries, the airlines want to cut their costs. That's all this is, reducing safety factors to make even more money.

Short on crew? Train some, you damned fools.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
5. It's all about greed and profit.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

What's a few lives if it means a few billion more in our annual adjusted gross income? Some executives need some private jets and mansions that require their own zip code!

Response to beaglelover (Reply #7)

Disaffected

(4,557 posts)
26. Or TheFlightChannel
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:50 PM
Nov 2022

Watch some of that and you will be thankful there are two pilots as well as a flight engineer on some flights.

And WTF happens if a single pilot becomes incapacitated? Hope a passenger with pilot experience is on board??

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
16. A better idea is to change the mandatory retirement age for pilots
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:32 PM
Nov 2022

during this time when we have a serious pilot shortage.

That would actually be helpful.

DFW

(54,410 posts)
18. I would want it mandatory for airlines to disclose far in advance which flights have only one pilot
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:37 PM
Nov 2022

Mainly, so I can avoid them!!

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
20. Information I'd Like To Have, Too
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 03:42 PM
Nov 2022

I'll assume, perhaps wrongly, that this would apply only to 2 hour flights or shorter.
Either way, I think it's a rotten idea.

DFW

(54,410 posts)
29. "We have to get these people to a hospital!" "Hospital? Why? What is it?"
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 04:00 PM
Nov 2022

"It's a place where people go when they're sick. But that's not important now."

That film had more good lines than Trump had bad ones.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
30. With all the reports of people just suddenly dropping dead lately?
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 04:02 PM
Nov 2022

That sounds safe. I haven't flown since May of 2001 and I will likely never fly again. My daughter works for the airlines so I can fly free, but no thanks. They'd have to pay me (like a million dollars) to get on a plane now with Covid, understaffed crew, and crazy fellow passengers.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
32. Gosh, what a great idea!
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 04:11 PM
Nov 2022

I think they should also drop to a single engine, ya sure some people will die......but think of the profit margins!!!111!1

of course sarcasm!

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
33. One pilot in heavy turbojet commercial air travel? It will never happen.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 05:15 PM
Nov 2022

One pilot in heavy turbojet commercial air travel? It will never happen.

That would be as stupid as letting cars on highways with zero drivers.

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