AR-15

[iluvtennis]

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Tristan Snell@TristanSnell·Nov 20
Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15

Colorado Springs: AR-15

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AR-15s are weapons of war and should not be in the hands of everyday people.

[malaise]

1. Get thee to the greatest page

RFN!

[onecaliberal]

2. K&R

[maxsolomon]

3. Here come the quibblers!

"Not actually an AR-15, a cheap knockoff", "MSSAs are mostly just cosmetic differences from other Semi-Auto Rifles", etc.

[Kaleva]

4. Not enough people care enough to make that happen

NRA and other progun groups get far more in donations then the Brady Campaign and other pro gun control groups do.


In 2021, the NRA outspent gun violence prevention groups on lobbying in Washington by a factor of 5 to 1.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/17/business/gun-control-nra-money.html

[Amishman]

5. They're cheap and terrifyingly effective

I bought a pistol a few years back for home defense (police response time out here can be 30+ minutes).

Thanks to having shot damn near every possible option with my BiL (who has an absolutely ridiculous arsenal), I knew what I wanted, a CZ-75.

The clerk relentlessly kept trying to convince me to buy an AR-15, as it had more 'stopping power' and cost 1/3rd less than the pistol I wanted ($400 vs $600).

[Kaleva]

16. I bought a RIA M200 6 shot 38 Special for $200

It does what I need it to. Which is to go bang when I pull the trigger. If it doesn't go bang, I pull the trigger again .

I considered a semi-auto but I felt more things could go wrong such as failure to feed, failure to extract and failure to eject. Problems I'd have to quickly identify and correct in a highly stressful situation and this would involve additional training.

[Amishman]

33. Had to look that up

I don't know all of these things.

That would have fit my needs too, I just went with what seemed to work for me from what I'd tried.

[Kaleva]

36. I spent about 2 years doing research before buying

That was off and on over that period of time. I wasn't in any rush. When I was considering a semi-auto pistol, the various clones of the CZ-75 were guns that I considered.

Money was the biggest hurdle. I needed something that would fit my budget but it also had to be reliable.

[AllaN01Bear]

22. i always wondered how much $ these things . but 30 , good grief.

[former9thward]

41. If it was for self defense the clerk was right.

An AR-15 or any long rifle is far more accurate than a pistol.

[multigraincracker]

6. Only allowed 3 rounds to shoot a duck. Federal Law.

I never load more than 3 rounds in my bolt action deer rifle. If you need more than 3 rounds, take up fishing.

[gratuitous]

8. The newly-passed Oregon initiative limits magazine capacity to 10 rounds

The ammosexuals are positively het up about it. One county sheriff has already said he won't enforce the law and has filed a federal lawsuit looking to overturn it. One of his rationales is that a law-abiding citizen will be at a distinct disadvantage against a bad guy with a bigger magazine.

My first thought on hearing that tracks with multigraincracker's post: If you think you're going to be in a gun battle that requires more than 10 shots, sit down and think hard about the direction your life is heading.

[Amishman]

9. Might be short lived, depending on how the 9th handles CA's weapon's ban

The textual 'test' Thomas specified in Bruen is likely to overturn assault weapons bans and magazine capacity restrictions.

The case challenging CA's ban was kicked down to the 9th with the express order to reconsider it using Bruen's standards. The 9th in turn kicked it all the way down to the original judge - which only makes sense as a delaying action.

There is some hope that sympathetic judges might try to sidestep it, but in this case the 9th is pinched. The original judge is a hardcore gunner nut, and SCOTUS has given them rather little wiggle room. Making it worse is the original decision from the district was written to try and back the 9th into a corner even pre-Bruen.

CA's ban being overturned would almost certainly mean similar laws in the 9th would go down more or less right away too.

This is going to be a sign of things to come, to see how far 'normal' judges are willing to buck against the right-wing SCOTUS.

[gratuitous]

11. I'm willing to take a page from the anti-abortion folks

Let's mount real, actual court challenges, and get some legal principles established by court opinions. Then drive wedges in the linguistic interstices until the settled law is overturned. The movement to reduce women to second class status lost dozens if not hundreds of court cases until they got Dobbs.

[Amishman]

20. That is a grim parallel, but I can see it

As someone who follows SCOTUS decisions, am still blown away by the deviousness of what Thomas did.

Given that impossible to meet standard set in Bruen, we might take ten steps back and see countless existing gun safety laws torn down before we see another victory. We might have to mirror the RWNJ's crusade against women's choice, and keep pushing on for many years even in the face of far more defeats than wins.

This is depressing.

[quakerboy]

31. That relies on judges trying for consistancy

And valuing precedence.

The trump judiciary does not. They will flip it how they want as they want with no regard to intellectual (or any other form of) honesty.

[paleotn]

12. Back when I hunted deer.....

before I realized freezing my ass off wasn't all that much fun after all, I'd go thru a box of 20 30-30 Win in like 3 to 4 years. The bulk of that was just sighting in. I just don't get the ammo fetish.

[sop]

30. I've watched guys shoot hundred$ of round$ through their AR-15s in just a couple of hours.

Rapid fire, one 30-round magazine after another, till the barrels were red hot and the actions belching blue smoke from the burning oil. The attraction of these guns is being able to fire hundreds of rounds downrange, as quickly as possible. It's not about accuracy, it's about destruction.

Gun stores usually sell 5.56/.223 ammunition by the case, the boxes stacked high on pallets on shop floors. The stuff is expensive, over $200 for a case of 500 rounds, but stores can't keep it in stock, it sells out so fast. And every time there's a mass shooting, shooters empty the shelves of ammunition. It's absolutely, totally insane.

[quakerboy]

34. It's the imagination

They, in that moment, feel powerful. Pulling a trigger is easy. Not like being a productive member of society, or a good dad or a caring lover or any of the other things people are coming to expect of them.


It's a lot more fun to pretend your one of the wolverines, fighting the evilbad commies than actually live as an underling in a capitalist society.

[Ferryboat]

47. Gun control means the ability to hit your target

Other wise its spray and pray.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Thank bush for letting the ban expire.

Nutjobs will continue to slaughter people with those goddamn things forever.

[iluvtennis]

10. Exactly. n/t

[maxsolomon]

40. Congress let it expire.

Bush is a Repuke; he's not going to advocate for something his party has opposed from the start.

[former9thward]

42. Bush said he would sign it if Congress sent him a renewal.

The leadership of neither party advocated a renewal and it died in Congress.

[Beachnutt]

13. El Paso Tx wal mart ??

[Beachnutt]

15. AK 47

[iluvtennis]

17. Wikipedia says it was a WASR-10 rifle- semi-automatic civilian version of the AK-47.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting

I say the specific model is not germane. The point is that these mass shooters all use semi automatic/rapid fire weapons of war that shouldn't be in the hands of John Q. Public.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. No civilian needs a weapon of war

[iluvtennis]

18. Truth! nt

[housecat]

19. Republicans no doubt

[roamer65]

21. Looks like a pattern, eh?

The sale and possession of them needs to be banned.

6 months to turn them in or you go to jail on felony gun charges.

[SheltieLover]

23. These have no place in our society!

None!

Ty!

[Ford_Prefect]

26. Teach your children...

Many Congressional Representatives are too old to learn, or too corrupt to care.

[SheltieLover]

28. I did.

Took them to a range at very young ages to teach them. Neither has ever wanted to be around guns. Neither ever owned one. 😉

Too loud, smelly, & destructive. That was fhe consensus.

[Codifer]

24. Is there a reason

why all the media coverage and all the press briefings only refer to the weapon used in Colorado Springs as "a long gun" rather than any more specific
terminology?

It is not because they have to have time to identify the type, maker and sun sign of each weapon this maga fuck used to murder.

If it was an assault weapon, why not just say so.

Am I becoming paranoid?

[Ford_Prefect]

27. Probably the term used in the initial Police reports, as opposed to a hand gun.

Press release journalism.

[Codifer]

29. However,

this was not the case when describing the slaughter at Uvalde, Las Vegas or Parkland (for example). Each named AR15 as the weapon.

A "long rifle" or "long gun" could have been a single shot muzzle loader that weighs 20 pounds.

Too bad it was not.

[Kaleva]

37. A long gun also refers to shotguns

A long gun is a weapon that is designed to be held with both hands and is braced against the shoulder when firing

[keithbvadu2]

25. the majority/plurality preferred weapon for killing school children.

When it comes to the rubber meeting the road, the AR-15 style rifle is the majority/plurality preferred weapon for killing school children.

[Kaleva]

38. While the more powerful AR-10 is not

The AR-10 is the big brother of the AR-15 and is chambered to fire high powered rounds. Rounds cabable of taking down moose, elk bear, big horn sheep and other large game

While the AR-10 and AR-15 are almost functionally the same, the AR-10 is rarely used by mass shooters

Most people can not tell the difference between the two by looking at them.

[Evolve Dammit]

32. Like Beto's no-BS approach. We did it in the early 1900's. Can do it again. Hunting arms excluded.

[Cha]

35. There's No GD Sane Reason

in world for this to be happening to our kids and people of all ages



TY!

[SYFROYH]

39. Every death in this list was tragic and shouldn't have happened.

It's also true that more mass shootings happen with handguns than rifles.


Its also true that the military is phasing out their rifles that shoot the same ammo as a standard AR-15. It won't be a weapon of war for much longer.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

43. Regulate: 1. power, 2. rate of fire, 3. capacity

Remember the 2nd Amendment says "well regulated".

[iluvtennis]

44. Yes, that's a great solution. n/t

[EX500rider]

46. Power?

Like ft/lbs or MPH or what?
Don't think any firearm that fires bullets is non-lethal though.

[Stuart G]

45. K & R

[Kaleva]

48. Another gun thread

Just helping out the hosts here.