The scramble to rearm Ukraine is transforming NATO in a way that would've been hard without Putin's

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

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Billions of dollars in military hardware and other security aid has flowed from NATO countries — $18.6 billion from the US alone — to Ukraine since Russia launched its attack on February 24.

NATO is not directly involved in the war, but the support it is providing to Ukraine is helping create a more unified alliance — both politically and militarily.

As countries send their Cold War-era weaponry, much of it Soviet-designed, to Ukraine, many have received new hardware to replace it. As a result, the alliance is growing increasingly integrated, reliant not on mismatched Soviet-era stockpiles but on modern weapons that are often more interoperable even if acquired from different sources.

The shift toward more uniformity among NATO militaries is something that Russian President Vladimir Putin may not have anticipated his war would produce and that would likely have been hard to bring about if not for his attack on Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-scramble-to-rearm-ukraine-is-transforming-nato-in-a-way-that-would-ve-been-hard-without-putin-s-help/ar-AA14qZq5

Heckuva job Pooty Poot

[Eko]

1. Interesting side effect of the war.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

2. The purse strings always burst open for war, for peace shuts like a bear trap.

Negotiate a peace and put an end to the death and carnage and crimes. Is that too much?

The dead civilians and children would have agreed.

[EX500rider]

3. Except both sides have to willing to negotiate a reasonable peace.

And Putin has shown zero interest in that and UKR has zero desire to give up their territory and reward Russian aggression.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

5. Dead children and civilians would have prefered not to have been killed by Putin's

war of agression on their nation.

Are you remotely for real here???

[Elessar Zappa]

6. Putin doesn't want peace.

Ukraine won’t and shouldn’t give up any territory to the orcs.

[Calculating]

8. Fuck Russia

No peace until the invading hordes are driven out of Ukraine. Anything less would reward them and encourage more aggression. They need to get nothing.

[Bettie]

9. Already tried...they let him keep Crimea

and now, here he is back for another bite.

Say they give him more territory. He says, "Yes, this is fine, I'm done". A year or two later, he'll be back and do the same thing. And then, again, again, and again, each time, demanding more.

[Emrys]

11. Any "peace" that leaves any of Ukraine's territory and people in Russian control

is inviting continued genocide. Have you bothered to keep pace with the mass graves, rapes, routine torture, senseless killings, forced abduction and relocation of people, especially children, and utter destruction at the RF's hands that are revealed every time Ukraine retakes part of its territory?

Please don't presume to speak for the dead civilians and children, it's deeply insulting.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

14. I speak for the future dead and maimed and traumatized. The past dead r silent.

[Emrys]

17. No, you put words in the mouths of the already dead. You said they "would have agreed" with you.

I can't imagine anything more presumptious. Your attempts at grand-sounding words don't match what I hear from Ukrainians themselves, especially those mourning those dead as partners, parents, offspring or friends.

How many mass graves do you think they'll find in Crimea when Ukraine finally runs the Russians out of there? It sounds like you'd abandon those currently living under the Russians there to be killed, maimed and traumatized on a grand scale in perpetuity. It's grotesque.

[wnylib]

19. Would you have negotiated a peace

with George III in 1778?

With Hitler in 1943?

If so, then we know where you stand and what your peace at any cost values are.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

20. Since Russia has been apparently offered a deal, there is no comparison. Or to Neville.

[wnylib]

23. There certainly is a comparison.

Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014 and illegally annexed Crimea by force. Then earlier this year, Russia attacked Ukraine again. The peace settlement that Russia wants is to keep Crimea.

That would be an appeasement that rewards Russia for its initial taking of Crimea by force. Give in now and Russia will forever be a threat to Ukraine and other nations bordering Russia. Russia wants to recreate the empire that it had when it was the Soviet Union and Putin was a KGB agent.

[nycbos]

12. Ok Nevile Chamberlin

[Alexander Of Assyria]

15. Well, look at that, peace terms have been offered. Stop beating the old simple dead horse.

[Emrys]

18. And extremely quickly dismissed by the Russians, who never saw a treaty they didn't intend breaking.

Those terms weren't offered by the Ukrainians anyway, but a third party, probably merely to test the waters. Since it would have left Crimea in Russian control, it was an obvious non-starter. That's where the situation was before Russia's most recent illegal invasion.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

21. Negotiations begin with testing, when was a first offer ever accepted?

Point being here ARE negotiations…is that appeasement by the third party…cough..America?

Getting back all that was lost in East Ukraine and….PEACE…Reperations.

Crimea is lost irretrievably.

An infant was killed yesterday…bet the child and his mother would have wanted a truce, then negotiations?

[Emrys]

22. Then we know Putin isn't interested in a deal that lets him hang on to Crimea

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and keeps Ukraine out of any meaningful defensive alliance for five years.

He's not going to get a better offer. Fighting on is entirely his choice.

There is no negotiating with Putin. That should be plain. At best, he wants a truce to regroup and get in a better position to re-launch hostilities at a more convenient time. Like Russia is in the habit of observing the terms of truces in the first place. You haven't been following the Russian armed forces in any depth during the last few decades, have you?

bet the child and his mother would have wanted a truce, then negotiations?

Why do you persist in being a ventriloquist for the dead? It's seriously disrespectful.

You have no way of knowing how somebody felt in their dying moments, but I seriously doubt they were along the lines of, "You know, I really think we should be negotiating with these sadistic bastards."

No, the core truth of the matter is this: If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. More civilians die from being caught under Russian occupation.

The way to save lives is to give more powerful arms to Ukraine to enable them to liberate their country and defeat the Russians.

I would have taken the same position on assisting those who were fighting Hitler. I'm pro peace, but there are times when fighting is necessary.

[republianmushroom]

4. agree

[prodigitalson]

7. Heck of a job Puti!

[Stuart G]

10. IT is Putin's Viet Nam. He doesn't have a clue. Wait? What happened when Hitler invaded?

Does Putin know about that one? ...DID THE WORLD COME TOGETHER TO DEFEAT HITLER??



I guess he does know about that one!




MAYBE TOO STUPID TO KNOW ABOUT THE ABOVE............WAIT..PUTIN THINKS HE KNOWS IT ALL...IS THAT RIGHT?

LIKE YOU KNOW WHO?." DT"...........

[Hermit-The-Prog]

16. PooPoo is a sleeper CIA agent ...