Just like Richard Fierro in Colorado Springs, data shows that 64 unarmed civilians have apprehended

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

the gunman in mass shootings since 2000

When news about how Army veteran Richard Fierro apprehended the gunman responsible for the mass shooting at Q, the LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado, he was hailed as a hero and even received a phone call from President Joe Biden.

The army veteran had been sitting at a table inside the club with his wife and daughter the night of Saturday, November 19 when a gunman entered and opened fire, killing five people and injuring eighteen. After hearing bullets, Fierro ran directly towards the shooter, who has now been identified as 22-year-old Anderson Lee Aldrich, pulled him down, and beat him with his own gun before police arrived on the scene.

"I don't know exactly what I did, I just went into combat mode," he told the New York Times in an interview. "I just know I have to kill this guy before he kills us."

What Fierro did that night has placed him in a group of unarmed civilians who have successfully apprehended gunmen in mass shootings. According to data the New York Times published in June, there have been 433 situations in which a bystander confronted an active shooter in the country from 2000 to 2021. Out of those attacks, 249 ended before police arrived on the scene, and the bystander successfully subdued the shooter in 64 cases. As a result, Fierro, like the more than 50 civilians who came before him, was able to halt the gunman and save lives without a weapon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/just-like-richard-fierro-in-colorado-springs-data-shows-that-64-unarmed-civilians-have-apprehended-the-gunman-in-mass-shootings-since-2000/ar-AA14wrqx

[AndyS]

1. Unarmed people far outnumber armed "good

guys" in stopping and preventing shootings. Look it up in the FBI stats.

[Straw Man]

3. To be fair ...

Unarmed people far outnumber armed "good

guys" in stopping and preventing shootings. Look it up in the FBI stats.

... there are a lot more unarmed people walking around the general population than armed people.

[stopdiggin]

5. it's not a great argument either way

understand what the poster was trying to say (I think) ...
But - as an acceptable (or desirable) solution to armed assailants .. ?
Hmmm.

[SergeStorms]

2. Fierro did a number....

on Aldrich's face too!

I'd like to say I wouldn't have beat him so badly, but then I'd be lying. Vigilante justice isn't something to be admired, but after the carnage he caused he's lucky to be alive. Mr. Fierro did well to rein himself in as much as he did.

[yagotme]

7. "You" are being attacked with a deadly weapon for no good reason...

I say you are allowed to "stop" the attack, and whatever happens to the attacker, they justly deserve.

[gldstwmn]

10. Major Fierro wasn't a vigilante. He and his family were being attacked. A member of their party

was killed. He was acting in self-defense.

[Kaleva]

4. Two who went after Rittenhouse ended up dead

[stopdiggin]

6. point. (although Rittenhouse was not actively

shooting - which effectively turned the 'disarmers', into aggressors.)
But, still - the idea that this should become the 'model' for how we handle such incidents ... Not sure if that holds up very well either.

[Kaleva]

8. The consequences of failure to disarm can be extreme.

I'd only do it if there was no chance to retreat or seek cover.

However, there's really no way for me to know ahead of time as to what I'd do as I may fight, run or freeze. I've no interest in putting in the time to train for such an emergency so I'd respond rationally instead of letting instinct take over

[Grins]

9. 64 out of 433...?

Bystanders who overcame a shooter = 14.8%.
Not a good number.

Said another way, 85% of the time the bad guy wins.