Short term rental map of my neighborhood

[Coventina]

This is one square mile of my neighborhood. This is the unregulated hotel hell that we currently live in.
Each blue dot is a short term rental:

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ETA: The red squares are houses that are suspected to be STRs, but have not been confirmed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. It's a big part of reason many places have a housing crisis. Inefficient occupancy. . . nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

2. This begs the question

What area do you live in? Where I live in the Catskills population density is much lower than where you live, but proportionately we have a very similar problem.

[Coventina]

6. Scottsdale, AZ. n/t

[CurtEastPoint]

3. This is Scottsdale, right? Wow.

[Coventina]

4. Yes, south Scottsdale. When we bought, it was a working class neighborhood.

I know people think that Scottsdale is only affluent people, but there were working class neighborhoods in the south.

Not anymore.

[ChazII]

34. You are in my area of south Scottsdale. I attended Coronado High School.

When I saw your map I had to gasp as I did not realize there where that many. It was a great neighborhood to grow up in back in the later 50's through the 90's. Like you said a working class neighborhood that is sadly shrinking.

[LastDemocratInSC]

5. Short term rentals, and the stresses they bring,

are popping up even in small and rural towns. A business owner with a building on Main Street can renovate an empty floor upstairs and make some money with it. Someone out in the country can build a few small houses on his property and do the same.

[Coventina]

7. And people wonder why we have a housing crisis. n/t

[jmbar2]

15. What app did you use to find this map?

[Coventina]

17. It's not an app, it's a map from a grass-roots org in our neighborhood.

We started tracking STRs a few months ago.

Diligent volunteers (not me) have been collecting addresses and researching the properties on the county assessor's office.

You can start your own map on google.mymaps

[jmbar2]

19. Thanks

Good piece of work!

This should become a national database. It could form the basis of much better research on housing and homelessness in cities around the world, and perhaps badly needed reforms.

In my little town, over 10% of the housing is STRs, but it's probably higher because of the illegal ones. we don't have housing for teachers, nurses, or basic workers.

[ChazII]

35. I am between Oak and Thomas

but as I said in another post right by Coronado High.

[Coventina]

37. We bought our house in 2004, but have lived in the area since 1997

My family has been in Phoenix since 1911.

When I was in high school we were living on the west side, so I graduated from Alhambra!

[LakeArenal]

8. It's a world wide problem.

In Costa Rica it’s hard to find a long term rental.

A protection for long term renters that works against them actually, is a year’s lease here is really for three years. Many landlords don’t necessarily want to rent for three years. Especially is they don’t like the renter.

[tinrobot]

9. The question is - how many of these dots are full time Airbnbs?

We have a short term permit here in LA, but we only use it a few times a year when we're out of town for longer periods. Regulations don't let people do full time Airbnbs here, it has to be a primary home. I suppose we'd show up as a dot if you mapped our area.

I know Phoenix/Scottsdale is quite different in that they let people rent 365 days per year. Are all of these full time Airbnbs?

[Coventina]

11. The vast majority of them are, as they are owned by investment companies. n/t

[tinrobot]

16. That's not right.

I do like Airbnb, but there has to be limits.

Santa Monica had similar problems about 5 years ago. People were taking over entire apartment buildings and turning them into hotels. The city finally shut it down. I hope Scottsdale can do the same.

[Coventina]

18. We can't as the governor and legislature passed a law forbidding local authorities

from regulating STRs.

[CurtEastPoint]

20. That would be Dougie Duchebag and his ilk?

[Coventina]

21. Got it in one!!!

[CurtEastPoint]

22. Jeez... thank God Krazy Lake Lady lost.

[jmbar2]

10. Who is renting these?!

This should be illegal. I wonder if locals are being forced into STRs because of lack of long-term housing?

Elizabeth Warren is working on these issues. Perhaps you could send this to her. It is stark evidence of the greed and selfishness leaving so many working and older Americans homeless.

[Coventina]

12. Good idea, I will!

Thanks!!

[we can do it]

13. Our neighborhood is a lot like that.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Plenty of accomodations for a DU convention

Good restaurants nearby?

[Coventina]

26. Yes, lots of good restaurants. Not as many as before COVID, though.

[MineralMan]

23. Interesting. Looks like less than 10%.

That's a pretty popular travel destination area, actually. It's also popular with snow birds from colder areas.

Places that aren't popular destinations don't have that kind of STR numbers. Other places restrict STRs to certain areas. Maybe Scottsdale needs to look into how they can best manage this phenomenon.

But, it's still less than 10% of the residential housing in your map.

[Coventina]

27. When you have that many non-residents, it makes a HUGE impact.

Cars that drive at excessive speed.

Trash that doesn't get disposed of properly.

Late night parties that keep residents awake all hours.

We've had a few shootings at late night parties in the neighborhood.

The police don't care, they do nothing, even when called repeatedly.

You can't file a complaint because the owners just sell to another shell corporation and claim they no longer own the property.

Scottsdale can't do anything, due to a state law passed by our governor and legislature that forbids local communities from restricting STRs.

It's a nightmare, even if you think it's not that much.

[MineralMan]

28. OK. You live there. I don't.

Most of the suburbs in Minnesota keep close control over STR numbers. In fact, mine pretty much makes it impossible to get a rental license for one. We checked our HOA rules before buying out townhome. No rentals allowed in our development.

Apparently you don't like where you live. It doesn't seem to suit you. Maybe it's time to look elsewhere?

[Coventina]

29. We're stuck until retirement, at least a decade away.

Your sympathy and compassion are really quite moving.

[Mr.Bill]

30. Does "local communitees" include HOAs?

Can an HOA have a rule against it? I live in a Senior Mobile Home park any my rental agreement prohibits it. I know that's different than an HOA becaue I am technically a renter myself.

[Coventina]

31. I think that does include HOAs, because I know of a nearby townhome complex

that frequently has parties of 70+ people in the STRs in that complex.

I'm sure if the HOA was able to prohibit such activities, they would.

[Gore1FL]

24. My neighborhood has been taken over by long-term rentals.

Those of us that own are surrounded by 1-2 residents who generally don't care.

[SWBTATTReg]

25. I've heard (earlier on DU, weeks ago) that short term rentals weren't the golden calf that a lot of

2nd homeowners, investors thought that they would be, in trying to generate some additional revenues.

I can see why. My Gosh, thanks for putting this together (this map) - it really gives me a perspective on how persuasive these short-term rentals are, the problems/etc. associated w/ them. Even in pudgy STLMO, we have SRT housing, they had (or may still have) issues w/ determining what is a STR or not (there's some sort of fee required).

[tinrobot]

32. There is a limit for how many units a market can support

Once the market nears saturation, it becomes unprofitable. Perhaps that is what these people are bumping up against.

Looking the the OP's map, I wonder how many of those make money. Seems like a bubble ready to burst.

[SWBTATTReg]

33. I think you're on the money w/ your analysis. NT

[ChazII]

36. From the City of Scottsdale

Nov. 28, 2022
HEADLINE NEWS
Licensing for short-term/vacation rental properties opens. The Scottsdale City Council unanimously adopted Scottsdale Ordinance 4655 in October, requiring rental property owners/operators to obtain a Scottsdale license for each property and comply with several safety, health and neighbor notification requirements.
Owners of existing short-term/vacation rental properties must obtain licenses by Jan. 8, 2023. New short-term/vacation rental properties must also comply with ordinance requirements and be licensed before being offered for rent in Scottsdale. The annual license fee is $250 per property; fees will go 100 percent to cover costs associated with licensing vacation and short-term rentals.
Scottsdale’s ordinance complies with Arizona Senate Bill 1168 passed by the legislature and signed by the governor in July, and reflects the full authority granted to cities under state law.
Review the requirements and apply for a Scottsdale rental property license at ScottsdaleAZ.gov, search “short-term rental.”


This came in my email yesterday.

[Coventina]

38. We're hoping this will help, but the problem is that so many stay on the downlow.

*keeping fingers crossed*

[TheBlackAdder]

39. A typical home would just need to have 5-7 days of rent to make mortgage, taxes and upkeep.

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If you have a and older pre-2000 home, you're probably riding a smaller mortgage and are almost paid off on it.

If your home is paid off, you just have taxes and upkeep costs and the rest is profit.

And if you are close to losing your home you can rent a cheapie hotel during rentals and get that income.

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[Zeitghost]

40. We have seen this happen

Due to limits/bans with zoning and new construction in the small California beach towns along the Central Coast (Morro Bay, Cayucos, etc.). New hotels are hard or impossible to build so every house in town is now an Air BnB.