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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,567 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:16 PM Nov 2022

Trump's offensive against Jack Smith takes an incoherent turn

My law school did not cover the concept of personally attacking the family members of a prosecutor as a viable legal strategy. According to my kids, I took the bar exam back when they used stone tablets or blue books. I doubt that this strategy is a good idea in the real world



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-offensive-jack-smith-takes-incoherent-turn-rcna58998?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

But as last week progressed, Trump’s specific interest in Smith grew. On Thanksgiving, for example, the former president didn’t deliver holiday well-wishes to Americans, but he did use his social media platform to condemn the special counsel as “a Radical Left Prosecutor, who is totally controlled by Eric Holder and Obama.”

Referring to the two threads of the Justice Department’s ongoing criminal investigations, the Republican added that he “did nothing wrong on Jan 6th (Peacefully & Patrioticly), or with Documents (Check out past presidents).”

In reality, none of this made any sense — though I do appreciate the irony of Trump struggling to spell “patriotically” — but it didn’t stop him from adding a day later that “Trump Hater Jack Smith ... should never be allowed to work on anything having to do with me because of his and his family’s anger, hatred, and bias.”.....

Yesterday, the former president even raised concerns about the special counsel’s name:

“Jack Smith (nice, soft name, isn’t it?), is a political hit man, who is totally compromised, and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near our already highly WEAPONIZED & CORRUPT ‘Justice’ Department and FBI, which are stuffed with, and listening to, Radical Left ‘MONSTERS,’ who will cause difficulties for our Country the likes of which we have not seen before. By the way, OBAMA SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN (and got caught!), & what about the MASSIVE Joe & Hunter BIDEN CORRUPTION (Evidence already in!)?”


.....But stepping back, his tirades seem to reflect something more important than his routine lying: Trump seems scared. The former president is scrambling in the hopes of trying to discredit a highly respected career prosecutor, and he apparently believes hysterical online tantrums will do the trick.

TFG is clearly scared and acting out. I wonder how TFG's attorneys feel about this strategy. Maybe the law shools that TFG's attorneys attended covered this tactic
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Trump's offensive against Jack Smith takes an incoherent turn (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 OP
He really does seem quite hysterical about Smith, doesn't he? Interesting. Scrivener7 Nov 2022 #1
He can't even think of a nickname Walleye Nov 2022 #5
Blue books for me too. elleng Nov 2022 #2
Two of my children are members of the bar LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #6
Me too. I coulda chosen stone tablets? rsdsharp Nov 2022 #19
Essay questions in nursing school, yeah, you bet Warpy Nov 2022 #32
Blue books here, too. You mean they don't use them any more? Shrike47 Nov 2022 #36
Everyone takes the exam on laptops LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #39
It's not exactly coherent to take pot shots at a special prosecutor. lees1975 Nov 2022 #3
He's not trying to avoid Justice. He only wants to taint it. n/t Whiskeytide Nov 2022 #24
I think his priority is always to avoid justice AND to taint it at the same time. calimary Nov 2022 #40
He was better off on Twitter. He could only use 280 characters to incriminate himself Walleye Nov 2022 #4
Too funny!!! MyOwnPeace Nov 2022 #28
He only needs one MAGA juror. Marcuse Nov 2022 #7
Who will be eliminated during the Jury Selection process. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #10
I am thinking they would lie Tree Lady Nov 2022 #14
And the DOJ prosecutors would expose their lies. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #16
I guess they could check social media Tree Lady Nov 2022 #17
Somebody could slip through I guess, but like their hero Trump, they are easily triggered. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #21
There's less chance of a Maga juror in dc... Volaris Nov 2022 #38
Smith is scaring the hell out of him. It is finally getting real for Donald Trump. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #8
He will have "Obama spied on my campaign!" on his tombstone. chriscan64 Nov 2022 #9
Lol emulatorloo Nov 2022 #12
"Obama spied on my campaign and stored the data on Hunter Biden's laptop"... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #15
'On a Radical Left Extremist Hard Drive manufactured by the Communist Seagate Corporation." emulatorloo Nov 2022 #22
😆 underpants Nov 2022 #23
Standard trump tactics, except... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #11
Trump is going downhill fast without guidance. Attacking the Special Counsel is a gigantic mistake. LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #13
Last legal conference at Trump Tower Emrys Nov 2022 #26
But he HAS guidance! MyOwnPeace Nov 2022 #30
Musings of a fat, frightened fuck Blue Owl Nov 2022 #18
GOD I AM SO SICK OF THIS LITTLE TYRANT oldtime dfl_er Nov 2022 #20
I'm loving this. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #25
He is scared shitless of Jack Smith gab13by13 Nov 2022 #27
Anger is fear in translation. This is a fundamental tenet of psychological science. littlemissmartypants Nov 2022 #29
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2022 #31
I'll melt the butter for the popcorn 🍿. rubbersole Nov 2022 #33
Well said, gab13by13 Nov 2022 #34
TFG and incoherent kinda go hand in hand... /nt thenelm1 Nov 2022 #35
All I'll say is that this guy has dealt w/ the mafia, and worse (war crimes in Europe etc.)... SWBTATTReg Nov 2022 #37
Trump makes HUGE miscalculation against special counsel LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #41

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,567 posts)
6. Two of my children are members of the bar
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:25 PM
Nov 2022

They tease me about having to get my bar results by post card in the mail.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
32. Essay questions in nursing school, yeah, you bet
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:07 AM
Nov 2022

They need to bring those or something like them back. Nothing forces a bit of thought like trying to put something coherent down to answer an essay question.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
36. Blue books here, too. You mean they don't use them any more?
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:22 AM
Nov 2022

I used to impress the law clerks by researching case law without using a computer. Progress has made my law school class on researching obsolete.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,567 posts)
39. Everyone takes the exam on laptops
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:07 AM
Nov 2022

There are special testing programs that lock the laptop to be solely a word processor for the exam

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
3. It's not exactly coherent to take pot shots at a special prosecutor.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:22 PM
Nov 2022

That doesn't seem like a very logical or effective way to avoid justice.

Have we come to that point where we just take insanity in Trump for granted, as par for the course? It seems so.

calimary

(81,500 posts)
40. I think his priority is always to avoid justice AND to taint it at the same time.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:34 PM
Nov 2022

If you can crap on the face of justice, then you’ve weakened it and messed with its ability to nail you. Added bonus: if you’ve messed with its ability to mail you, you’ve compromised its ability to go after anybody else with any credibility.

emulatorloo

(44,186 posts)
21. Somebody could slip through I guess, but like their hero Trump, they are easily triggered.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:39 PM
Nov 2022


Imagine having to deal with their rants during Jury deliberations!

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
38. There's less chance of a Maga juror in dc...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:26 AM
Nov 2022

When the 11th is done with ripping into judge cannon, I feel like the documents case will get thrown to the DC circuit (where all archives cases are supposed to be to begin with), and that by itself will lessen the possibility of some Maga asshole hanging a jury.

emulatorloo

(44,186 posts)
8. Smith is scaring the hell out of him. It is finally getting real for Donald Trump.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:25 PM
Nov 2022

Thanks for the article, Steve Benen is a wonderful writer.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
9. He will have "Obama spied on my campaign!" on his tombstone.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:26 PM
Nov 2022

Along with all the other greatest hits. The bottom will say "Continued on Next Tombstone" or "See Other Side".

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
11. Standard trump tactics, except...
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:29 PM
Nov 2022

this ain't some local property judge in the Bronx. Federal prosecutors are harder to intimidate.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
20. GOD I AM SO SICK OF THIS LITTLE TYRANT
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:38 PM
Nov 2022

I'm so sick of him and his stupid rants. Why can't he just go away!!!!!!

gab13by13

(21,406 posts)
27. He is scared shitless of Jack Smith
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:53 PM
Nov 2022

and if indicted it makes a difference if the trial is in D.C. or Florida.

littlemissmartypants

(22,812 posts)
29. Anger is fear in translation. This is a fundamental tenet of psychological science.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:01 AM
Nov 2022

It applies for tfg and any other angry person. Angry = fearful.

❤️ pants

H2O Man

(73,622 posts)
31. Recommended.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:05 AM
Nov 2022

I learned while engaging in the sport of boxing how to "smell" fear in an opponent. This could be before a fight, at the weigh-in. It coud be when one entered the ring, waiting for introductions and the referee's instructions. Or it might be during the fight when they were getting tired, and I'd pull them in and say "you are in trouble now" before landing a hard combination. I could smell fear like a guard dog confronting a thief.

Trump is afraid. His lawyers have told him that Smith's appointment is bad news. When he heard that Rosenstein had appointed Mueller, Trump expressed his fear. The lawyers then reassured him that they had a strategy to protect him. This is different. First, he has a lower quality legal team. Second, he is being investigated for things that his team cannot cover up.

I anticipate numerous future, equally unfocused, splatterings from brief psychotic episodes.

gab13by13

(21,406 posts)
34. Well said,
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:13 AM
Nov 2022

Also, Trump never was a tough guy, it's why he surrounds himself and caters to "tough guys." Tough guys in quotes.

SWBTATTReg

(22,166 posts)
37. All I'll say is that this guy has dealt w/ the mafia, and worse (war crimes in Europe etc.)...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:20 AM
Nov 2022

tRUMP is such a pathetic fool.

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