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Musk says Twitter will suspend Kanye West's account (Original Post) NYC Liberal Dec 2022 OP
They are both beyond the pale. Solly Mack Dec 2022 #1
Tell me.... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #2
During the Norman invasion of Ireland, it wasn't going so well. Solly Mack Dec 2022 #6
Thanks DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #13
You're welcome. Different Pales were used in history, the pale Catherine the Great established Solly Mack Dec 2022 #15
Thanks for that, Solly.. I like Cha Dec 2022 #16
I read about it a long while back - about the various Pales established. Solly Mack Dec 2022 #18
That is not backed up by sufficient evidence, per the OED. Celerity Dec 2022 #25
Thank you! Solly Mack Dec 2022 #26
yw, and I always enjoy your posts, Solly Celerity Dec 2022 #29
what did ye post? Hamlette Dec 2022 #3
Not sure what he posted to "incite violence" but he posted this and it was deleted: Polybius Dec 2022 #4
thanks Hamlette Dec 2022 #7
It's cover krkaufman Dec 2022 #19
It's hilarious because Monty Python did FAR worse. Grokenstein Dec 2022 #20
"FALSE FLAG OPERATION" ??? DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #5
Gee you think playing with white supramcists and violent lunatics was a bad idea? Initech Dec 2022 #8
Oh bullshit! Everyone knows it was because he posted that Carlitos Brigante Dec 2022 #9
LOL! Yes, that makes a lot more sense. SunSeeker Dec 2022 #12
Oh wow.. now it all makes perfect Cha Dec 2022 #17
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF Grokenstein Dec 2022 #22
Ye's trolling of Musk likely contributed to the new suspension. Eugene Dec 2022 #10
behind the curtain... oioioi Dec 2022 #11
Thank you for the link. Grokenstein Dec 2022 #23
so much for "free speech" when eloon doesn't like what is being said or shown orleans Dec 2022 #14
Now that is a gruesome image BigmanPigman Dec 2022 #21
Even he's smart enough to know that the EU will yeet Twitter in a heartbeat with crap like that. catbyte Dec 2022 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2022 #27
Yup, it's suspended Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #28
So Elon's dedication to "absolute free speech" is not an absolute dedication. Now clean out ... marble falls Dec 2022 #30
1+ keithbvadu2 Dec 2022 #31

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
6. During the Norman invasion of Ireland, it wasn't going so well.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:43 AM
Dec 2022

Those who adhered to the crown lived inside borders marked with stakes - those stakes were called pales.

If you lived beyond the pales, you lived outside British rule and law, which meant to the British, you were living outside acceptable behavior.

Now, dropping all the baggage, it simply means acting in a way that is beyond what is decent and acceptable.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
15. You're welcome. Different Pales were used in history, the pale Catherine the Great established
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:22 AM
Dec 2022

later in Russia, the Pale for Jewish people. Where they were allowed to live to keep them away from "real" Russian people.

Catherine meant it as an insult to Jewish people, like the Brits meant it to the Irish (you know, heathens and uncivilized). A means of isolation for Jewish people.

But fuck their hate and bigotry.





Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
18. I read about it a long while back - about the various Pales established.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:36 AM
Dec 2022

I recall the Norman invasion being the earliest but that could be wrong.

You're welcome, Cha.

Celerity

(43,108 posts)
25. That is not backed up by sufficient evidence, per the OED.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:03 AM
Dec 2022

First, the dates of the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland
Start date: May 1, 1169
End date: 1171

Now......

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/beyond_the_pale

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, there is insufficient evidence that the term originally referred to the English Pale, the part of Ireland directly under the control of the English government in the Late Middle Ages; or to the Pale of Settlement which existed from 1791 to 1917 in the Russian Empire, where Jewish people were mostly relegated to living.




https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beyond-the-pale.html

The phrase itself originated later than that. The first printed reference comes from 1657 in John Harington's lyric poem The History of Polindor and Flostella. In that work, the character Ortheris withdraws with his beloved to a country lodge for 'quiet, calm and ease', but they later venture further:

"Both Dove-like roved forth beyond the pale to planted Myrtle-walk".


Such recklessness rarely meets with a good end in 17th century verse and before long the lovers are attacked by armed men with 'many a dire killing thrust'. The message is clear - 'if there is a pale, decent people stay inside it', which conveys exactly the figurative meaning of the phrase as it is used today.

As a correspondent has helpfully pointed out, although Harington's poem was published in 1657, he died in 1612. That date, and most probably some years earlier, has to be the 'not later than' date for the origin of 'beyond the pale'.




https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-pal2.htm

In particular, the term was used to describe various defended enclosures of territory inside other countries. For example, the English pale in France in the fourteenth century was the territory of Calais, the last English possession in that country. The best-known example is the Russian Pale, between 1791 and the Revolution of 1917, which were specified provinces and districts within which Russian Jews were required to live.

Another famous one is the Pale in Ireland, the part of the country which England directly controlled — it varied from time to time, but was an area of several counties centred on Dublin. The first mention of the Irish Pale is in a document of 1446–7. Though there was an attempt later in the century to enclose the Pale by a bank and ditch (which was never completed), there never was a literal fence around it. The expression has often been claimed to originate in one or other of these pales, most often the Irish one, but the earliest appearance of 1720 for beyond the pale is very late if it’s linked to the Irish one and much too early for the Russian one.

The earliest figurative sense that’s linked to the idiom was of a sphere of activity or interest, a branch of study or a body of knowledge, which comes from the same idea of an enclosed or contained area; we use field in much the same way. This turned up first in 1483 in one of the earliest printed books in English, The Golden Legende, a translation by William Caxton of a French work. This is a much later example:

By its conversion England was first brought, not only within the pale of the Christian Church, but within the pale of the general political society of Europe.

The History of the Norman Conquest, by Ernest A Freeman, 1867.

Our sense seems part to have grown out of this, since people who exist outside such a conceptual pale are not our kind and do not share our values, beliefs or customs.

krkaufman

(13,433 posts)
19. It's cover
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:42 AM
Dec 2022

I expect that Musk is using “incitement to violence” as cover for booting West for his repeated anti-Semitic posts … as banning West simply for the rampant anti-Semitism would be hypocritical given Musk’s “free speech” b-s; and Musk would also then have to defend NOT banning all the rest who are saying the same stuff, just with a lesser profile than West.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
20. It's hilarious because Monty Python did FAR worse.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:02 AM
Dec 2022

This is Otto from Monty Python's The Life of Brian (Eric Idle):



But even Python knew this was a bit...much:

...The controversies also affected the film content. Originally there was a recurring character, called Otto the Nazirene, who, with his squad of professional suicide warriors, was seeking his prophesied leader, and striving to keep the Jewish race pure. But, alas, he and his brave troupe was left on the cutting room floor, and the iconic Swastika of David that adorned his helmet, was never to be seen on the big screen. – All we see of them in the final movie is the suicide squad that promptly kills itself in its attempt to rescue Brian from the cross. -- "A Tenth-Rate Movie," 2014 article (it's actually pro-Brian, and Otto's full role is now found in the Deleted Scenes of Brian's Blu-ray.)

Carlitos Brigante

(26,494 posts)
9. Oh bullshit! Everyone knows it was because he posted that
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:51 AM
Dec 2022

photo of Musk looking like a marshmallow on a boat.


?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
12. LOL! Yes, that makes a lot more sense.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:13 AM
Dec 2022

I mean, if Elon really cared about stopping incitement to violence, he would not have reversed Trump's ban, because Trump is still spouting the same Big Lie that incited January 6.

But Eloon sure has a tender little ego for megalomaniac.

Eugene

(61,819 posts)
10. Ye's trolling of Musk likely contributed to the new suspension.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:57 AM
Dec 2022
Elon Musk Sends Cryptic Reply After Ye Tries To Subvert Alex Jones Twitter Ban

During a deeply disturbing appearance on Infowars on Thursday, Ye taunted Musk and said he planned to give Jones and white nationalist organizer Nick Fuentes, who joined him on the show, the reins to his account. He also allowed Jones to write out a tweet from his account during the show.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kanye-west-alex-jones-twitter-account_n_638931d3e4b006e9b855b50f

orleans

(34,040 posts)
14. so much for "free speech" when eloon doesn't like what is being said or shown
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:17 AM
Dec 2022

they're like 13 yr olds in a bizarre circle jerk with their phones, letting others touch their phones, showing naughty pics, ick!

catbyte

(34,336 posts)
24. Even he's smart enough to know that the EU will yeet Twitter in a heartbeat with crap like that.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:47 AM
Dec 2022

Can you imagine how Germany would react? That's illegal as hell there.

Response to NYC Liberal (Original post)

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
30. So Elon's dedication to "absolute free speech" is not an absolute dedication. Now clean out ...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 09:19 AM
Dec 2022

... the rest of your pigpen, Elon!

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