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Nevilledog

(51,064 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:37 PM Dec 2022

We're in Denial About the True Cost of a Twitter Implosion

https://www.wired.com/story/musk-denial-true-cost-twitter-implosion/

WHEN I OPENED Twitter one day a couple of weeks ago, the first piece of “news” I read was that Sam Bankman-Fried killed Jeffrey Epstein. I was never a super-user, but my feed used to feel more relevant and coherent than that. In the first days after Elon Musk sacked the platform, the prospect of Twitter actually collapsing felt like a tail-end risk, something to meme on Twitter: Musk photoshopped onto the Game of Thrones Iron Throne surrounded by ashes. Or its end was presented as a moral necessity, something righteous users who hated Musk would effect by quitting.

Among the users I follow, the mood on the app ever since has resembled the giddiness of 2 am in a dorm room just after the last joint has been smoked, when it’s not clear whether the party is cresting—whether this is the part you’ll remember, the epic hour-long stretch your best man will reconstruct a decade later at your wedding—or whether the party is over and the coolest people have already left. People have tried to keep up the fun by outdoing themselves with jokes and bravado. "If Twitter dies," one friend bragged, “[you will] find me in the woods, no phone. I’ll be so happy.”

But something really is breaking. Things are falling apart. Teams of engineers and moderators have been eroded to nubs. Bugs have begun to multiply as software rot spreads: On Sunday, a tool gone rogue began blocking 4,000 accounts per second. On Tuesday, fleets of influential professors mysteriously lost all their followers. Sewage from newly unbanned, hateful accounts is bubbling out of Twitter’s drains. My own posts are being colonized by anti-Semitic bots and so-called elite business professors—all verified with blue checks—hawking bitcoin giveaways. I have only 5,000 followers, so the fact that these actors are desperate enough to target me feels ominous.

It’s all getting less funny and more scary and sad, fast. This grief, I think, is widely experienced, but it’s barely yet been reckoned with. Most people, even analysts, are trapped talking about Twitter as something whose demise we’ll relish—either as a liberation or as the gripping psychodrama of one bitter billionaire, his karmic comeuppance. Twitter, everyone notes, is far from the biggest social network.

*snip*


Many here make fun of Twitter or have a real hate for it..... but to tons of people it's been their safe place, just like DU is to many of us.
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We're in Denial About the True Cost of a Twitter Implosion (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2022 OP
I'm not worried that Musk is gonna buy DU Kennah Dec 2022 #1
what is "software rot"? GenXer47 Dec 2022 #2
Software rot Metaphorical Dec 2022 #4
There are always bugs to fix, TxGuitar Dec 2022 #17
I'm not in denial Metaphorical Dec 2022 #3
I don't use Twitter, but I've read 10's of thousands of tweets. patphil Dec 2022 #5
That 10 year old boy ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #6
Hehe AKwannabe Dec 2022 #7
He fired the cops. patphil Dec 2022 #16
I was thinking of the EU and other gov'ts that Egoloon is now crossing. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #19
Yeah, they are like an international DOJ; totally out of his control. patphil Dec 2022 #20
Seth Abramson's stunning thread mahina Dec 2022 #9
I'm convinced that it was deliberate, not someone gone awry. yardwork Dec 2022 #12
For sure. mahina Dec 2022 #14
Of course it's deliberate. He bought it to kill it. Iggo Dec 2022 #35
Lol, with so many horrible mistakes on full view, this CAN'T be one? Hortensis Dec 2022 #39
There's a lot of good accounts to follow on Twitter. Initech Dec 2022 #10
Fantastic post, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #8
It's very sad. I deactivated Twitter earlier this week. yardwork Dec 2022 #11
I haven't heard of Musk banning professors and journalists Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #22
Reports from various sources, building over the past week. yardwork Dec 2022 #24
Thanks. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #42
Okay, let's all focus on the true cost of the Twitter implosion gratuitous Dec 2022 #13
Acknowledging reality is one thing we can do. mahina Dec 2022 #15
Twitter is not imploding, it is growing. former9thward Dec 2022 #18
20% in 2 months? edhopper Dec 2022 #30
All this editorial tells me GenThePerservering Dec 2022 #21
I have never seen so much navel-gazing in my life Sympthsical Dec 2022 #23
+1 Celerity Dec 2022 #25
Exactly nt Raine Dec 2022 #27
++1 edhopper Dec 2022 #31
Nailed it. BlackSkimmer Dec 2022 #38
So far, it looks like Twitter is going to survive and probably grow gulliver Dec 2022 #26
Why would you ever trust edhopper Dec 2022 #29
I'm taking a wait and see attitude gulliver Dec 2022 #32
Like self driving cars edhopper Dec 2022 #33
Lol gulliver Dec 2022 #34
The Boring Company is a scam edhopper Dec 2022 #36
Thanks for the links gulliver Dec 2022 #37
I think Musk just has edhopper Dec 2022 #40
+1 for a real possibility on on a wide pile of them. Hortensis Dec 2022 #41
Oh my stars and garters! edhopper Dec 2022 #28
:) Virtually all of it better described as "in ignorance," Hortensis Dec 2022 #43
How were journalism features, reports from the scene, and opinion sharing mediated before Twitter? LudwigPastorius Dec 2022 #44
 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
2. what is "software rot"?
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:47 PM
Dec 2022

I've never quite understood why social media companies need so many programmers. Isn't the software finished? I could understand moderators but this perplexes me.

Metaphorical

(1,602 posts)
4. Software rot
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:59 PM
Dec 2022

Software rots for several reasons. Virus protection software doesn't get updated, meaning that servers go down or are corrupted, poorly written bots don't get fixed, databases fill and then start generating errors that aren't caught, memory errors accumulate, people who are overworked make stupid errors. In some respects it's like not doing routine maintenance on cars - after a while, you run low on oil or coolant, and this in turn causes other problems, until eventually the car breaks down completely, and the cost to repair it becomes more than the car is worth.

TxGuitar

(4,189 posts)
17. There are always bugs to fix,
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:13 PM
Dec 2022

new features to add, software updates so it works with the next version of this or that browser or OS, new graphics to integrate, etc.

patphil

(6,164 posts)
5. I don't use Twitter, but I've read 10's of thousands of tweets.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:01 PM
Dec 2022

It's evolved into something way beyond a social media platform.
It's more of an cultural experience that transcends boundaries in so many ways.
It became a virtual world for hundreds of millions of people, going way past entertainment...sort of a virtual global stream of consciousness.
Yeah, there's a lot of frivolous garbage in it; a lot of nastiness and hate, but that's to be expected when you have literally unlimited ability to read and comment on any topic, situation, or experience that anyone can post. Controls were necessary to maintain law and order in this otherwise lawless land. And they worked about as well as could be expected.

Still, it's got it's problems, and now it's got Musk; far and away the biggest problem Twitter ever had.
Musk doesn't want to run the company, he wants to rule it.
And therein lies the problem for this platform.
He's simple an irresponsible, ego driven man-boy, who sees Twitter as his toy to do with however he wishes.

It's like a 10 year old boy grabbing the keys to his dad's Dodge Hellcat and taking it out for a spin.
It's not going to end well.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,318 posts)
6. That 10 year old boy ...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:10 PM
Dec 2022

In this case, the 10 year old boy has removed most of the lug nuts, drained the radiator, left the hood open, invited all the neighborhood bullies to pile in, let the air out of the tires, cut the seat belts, left the doors open, cut the brake lines, drank dad's whiskey, aimed the car at a park and put a brick on the accelerator.

It's not clear if the cops can stop him.

patphil

(6,164 posts)
20. Yeah, they are like an international DOJ; totally out of his control.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:22 PM
Dec 2022

I was thinking of his internal policing force.

mahina

(17,640 posts)
14. For sure.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:08 PM
Dec 2022

With everybody liking to say they don’t care for Twitter they are missing the scale of the loss of communication on the left. Also loss not just as a news sharing tool but for communities around the world especially Ukrainians.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Lol, with so many horrible mistakes on full view, this CAN'T be one?
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:08 PM
Dec 2022

I'm withholding my "certains" altogether when it comes to what's happening with Twitter, but definitely interested. All possibilities seemingly astonishingly open...!

Initech

(100,060 posts)
10. There's a lot of good accounts to follow on Twitter.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

It truly sucks that Elon's been brainwashed by white nationalists and MAGA fans into turning Twitter into the cess pool that it's become. I feel like this was a political hit job and revenge for 2020 / Jan. 6th. If there is a hell, it waits for him.

gab13by13

(21,290 posts)
8. Fantastic post,
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:42 PM
Dec 2022

Twitter, to the world, is much more than people sharing cooking recipes. It is a powerful means of communication.

This topic was covered by Stephanie Miller today. The suggestion was that there are numerous wealthy anti-democratic people who wanted to see Twitter brought down, Musk may be one of them.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
11. It's very sad. I deactivated Twitter earlier this week.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:48 PM
Dec 2022

It's a huge loss - perhaps even more so in other parts of the world, where people living in authoritarian countries counted on Twitter for accurate information and genuine fellowship.

When Musk started banning professors and journalists for no reason I left.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
22. I haven't heard of Musk banning professors and journalists
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:34 PM
Dec 2022

(and can't find any reports of it). Can you tell me more?

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
24. Reports from various sources, building over the past week.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 10:31 AM
Dec 2022

It reached a point where I saw enough to make the decision to leave.

I don't have links to everything I saw but this is one thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17424958

Another: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17421767

And a long thread on twitter that I don't have a link to at this time.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Okay, let's all focus on the true cost of the Twitter implosion
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:51 PM
Dec 2022

What can I do about it? Write a letter? Pull my frowniest face? Express concern the depths of which approach that of Sen. Collins? A madman has taken control of the driver's wheel for Twitter and the rest of us are locked in the trunk as he speeds toward the cliff.

There. I feel better already.

mahina

(17,640 posts)
15. Acknowledging reality is one thing we can do.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:10 PM
Dec 2022

I’m still there because I didn’t want to be part of the deplatforming if the left. I actually don’t know what kind of risk there is for those of us who stay

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
18. Twitter is not imploding, it is growing.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:14 PM
Dec 2022

Since Musk’s dramatic takeover, Twitter’s monetizable daily user (mDAU) growth has accelerated to more than 20 percent, while “Twitter’s largest market, the US, is growing even more quickly,” according to an internal FAQ obtained by The Verge that was shared with Twitter’s sales team on Monday to use in conversations with advertisers. Per the FAQ, Twitter has added more than 15 million mDAUs, “crossing the quarter billion mark” since the end of the second quarter, when it stopped reporting financials as a public company.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23445476/elon-musk-twitter-user-growth-all-time-high-advertisers

Sympthsical

(9,067 posts)
23. I have never seen so much navel-gazing in my life
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 05:34 PM
Dec 2022

All this Twitter meltdown has revealed is just how self-absorbed and sedentary much our media class are, as they preoccupy themselves with this for going on two months - straight through a midterm election, a war, and the most notable Chinese protests in decades with American tech companies abetting its repression - and yet they somehow still manage to make it entirely about themselves while self-soothingly wrapping it all up in an aura of nobility.

It's really something to witness if you're a person standing outside the rabbit hole looking in.

When one is inside the rabbit hole, sometimes it's difficult to discern just have far into wonderland many of these people have gone.

The town square is not a safe space. Whoever said it was has been grossly misinformed. Only an authoritarian regime could render it such. If someone sides with that, they are not a liberal and they are not on my team.

And whatever happened to "Not the town square! Private companies can have whatever speech they want!" Yeah, that worked as long as those being censored were opponents. Once it doesn't work, now it's all a threat to democracy.

This authoritarian hypocrisy is so blatant, only partisan scales covering one's eyes so thoroughly could possibly blot it from the plain sight it lives in.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
26. So far, it looks like Twitter is going to survive and probably grow
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 10:55 AM
Dec 2022

We're going to get a lot of far right and left fulmination on the platform, but Musk has promised to take away its reach. To me, that's a great solution if he can pull it off. Twitter can finally be the social media platform it was meant to be. It has huge potential.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
32. I'm taking a wait and see attitude
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 11:21 AM
Dec 2022

I don't trust Musk, but he does have a track record of pulling things off.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
34. Lol
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 11:28 AM
Dec 2022

Yeah, Musk is kind of in a tight spot with FSD. I think he's starting to realize it, too. It's impossible short of general AI, imo, but you can still see even very sharp software people acting as if it's right around the corner. The problem makes Star Wars (SDI, not the movie franchise) look like Tic-Tac-Toe.

But SpaceX? Tesla in general? And the Boring Company is cool too.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
37. Thanks for the links
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:06 PM
Dec 2022

I'm not impressed by Teslas driving in a tunnel in Las Vegas either. The fact that it's in Las Vegas gives it (to me) a certain Disneyland Monorail flavor...i.e., an attraction more than a transport wave of the future.

I'm hoping more advanced boring can be used for things like aqueducts and highspeed rail.

edhopper

(33,556 posts)
40. I think Musk just has
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:09 PM
Dec 2022

routine boring technology that he has tried to sell as revolutionary. The c9ompany seems to be falling apart as much as Twitter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. +1 for a real possibility on on a wide pile of them.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:15 PM
Dec 2022

If he's to pull this off the edge and come out with a business that can operate internationally, it will have to be at least a minimally functional one, which would include the sort of model you describe.

edhopper

(33,556 posts)
28. Oh my stars and garters!
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 11:17 AM
Dec 2022

We can live without Twitter and it will eventually be replaced with something similar.

The pearl clutching/end of civilization is getting ridiculous.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. :) Virtually all of it better described as "in ignorance,"
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:36 PM
Dec 2022

"denial" requiring more thought.

I've been chuckling (in my better moods) for weeks now at post after post from people who openly claim to have never even visited Twitter (or just once and horrors!) but are seemingly ready to go to the stake for their opinions of it nevertheless.

Yet this is on DU -- also a social media platform/site that frequently exemplifies what some of the most righteously antagonistic posters deplore unseen on Twitter. Oh, my social media people.

I agree that all those whose participation on Twitter made it an asset to humanity will continue there or reform elsewhere after a disruption.

And that the others will do the same.



"Flee Twitter? My dear, I'm an anthropologist."

LudwigPastorius

(9,130 posts)
44. How were journalism features, reports from the scene, and opinion sharing mediated before Twitter?
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 03:05 PM
Dec 2022

By the way people are freaking out at the prospect of its demise, I guess those things didn't exist before it came along.

Don't give Elon Musk and his Nazi friends the eyeballs. Just log off and don't return. The world won't end.

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