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ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 02:13 AM Dec 2022

If a tree falls in the woods

And no one sees it did it happen?
That's where we are with Democrats' messaging. I'm getting really tired of the criticism of Democratic messaging when there are enormous pipelines of right-wing messaging polluting political discourse for decades and no alternative getting OURS out.
This George Santos thing is just the latest. Apparently it WAS put out there before the election and ignored by the anything except a small local paper?
So even with the best messaging and candidates what do we do with no one putting it out there?

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If a tree falls in the woods (Original Post) ibegurpard Dec 2022 OP
Be the media. Fb, Twitter, post,Masto,eaglets at bus stops and on busses, mahina Dec 2022 #1
Good list, mahina NJCher Dec 2022 #2
Yes, thank you! betsuni Dec 2022 #3
The Putin GOP operates an information war against Dems and America. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #4
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." Silent3 Dec 2022 #5

mahina

(17,897 posts)
1. Be the media. Fb, Twitter, post,Masto,eaglets at bus stops and on busses,
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 02:21 AM
Dec 2022

On their sm,to our neighbors and fam. The demons kicked out literal Nazis that literally occupied the country with actual tanks and machine guns and a real army.

How to fight fascism?

Read this book. Get more copies. Give it away. Give it to your library. Post his vids
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder

https://books.google.com/books/about/On_Tyranny.html?id=3z7cDQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1#v=onepage&q&f=false


Plan and do the actions he describes. Reach out and build community relationships.

Host watch parties



Read all of Gene Sharp’s pamphlets on nonviolent resistance and peace. Support AEI if you can even a little helps a lot If you can’t they are avail free to read as PDFs.
https://www.aeinstein.org/

We will win. We have to stop the gaslighting shirt. I think you are on to something important. Please tell me what you think about On Tyranny.

Do we have a book club here? We should.

Please add your mana’o (thoughts). I won’t be back for a while. Don’t mind.

Posted in response to this op https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217496516 Thanks op.
Got to go. Cheers.

Aloha kākou

NJCher

(36,001 posts)
2. Good list, mahina
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 04:12 AM
Dec 2022

The rw has been very successful in getting people to hate Democrats.

If these voters were smart, they wouldn’t buy into this, but they’re not that sophisticated about the ways of disinformation and propaganda.

Certainly there have to be changes with rw radio.

betsuni

(26,098 posts)
3. Yes, thank you!
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 05:02 AM
Dec 2022

Criticizing Democratic messaging and insinuating Democratic candidates are bad and the reason Republicans win because both sides are corrupt and immoral, say things like (from a "Democrat" ):

"It is just really wild to a person who works in a corrupt institution which is what Congress is and to try to be a normal person surrounded by so much decay and moral emptiness, that frankly transcends party, is very difficult."

And: "What is even the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?"

And so much more. Have proof of corruption? Give it. Otherwise "Enough is enough."

Who stills thinks both sides are the same?

Irish_Dem

(49,959 posts)
4. The Putin GOP operates an information war against Dems and America.
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:15 AM
Dec 2022

We have to face that fact and act accordingly.

Silent3

(15,574 posts)
5. "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 08:28 AM
Dec 2022

One thing that's missing when people complain about Democratic messaging is that being as effective at messaging as Republicans perhaps requires being as dishonest and manipulative as Republicans.

Can Democrats actually be Democrats while messaging like Republicans do?

Sensational lies can be very effective, but we shouldn't do that.
Appealing to people's basest instincts can be very effective, but we shouldn't do that.
Touting simplistic solutions to complicated problems can be very effective, but we shouldn't do that.

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