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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, the Freepers are talking secession again
Thread here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956232/posts
But in a situation where both (or more) sides are willing to secede, you can have a peaceful split. Czechoslovakia becoming the Czech Republic and Slovakia, for example.
The historical trend has been for small countries to merge into big countries, but there is no a priori reason to assume that this is always inevitable or always desirable.
2014 won't save us. 2016 won't save us. Getting a new person in the White House isn't the answer, that only buys time, it doesn't fix the problem.
It's time for people, not just right-wingers but it should start with them, to start floating the idea of a peaceful break-up of the United States of America. Getting bogged down into how it will work or whatever isn't the first step, the first step is to overcome the taboo of talking about it. Right now, even among many right-wingers, it is tinfoil hat talk to mention the s-word. That needs to change. This would be a much happier continent in a post-secession America.
SubgeniusHasSlack
(276 posts)to do what it would take to secede.
Ya Basta
(391 posts)They'll get deferments or cry about pimples on their ass like the chickenhawks they are.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)a government that governs with the consent of the governed."
Sooooo....it's apparent this person incapable of basic logic. President Obama was elected with the consent of the governed. What about this do they not understand?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)And that's what counts. They don't want us freeloaders raiding their mom's refrigerator while they're busy in the basement typing out their screeds on their Kool-aid-stained keyboard with the three stuck keys.
codjh9
(2,781 posts)of that is this nutcase missing? It's like a friend of mine told me he went into a bar a couple of years ago and a guy was saying re: Obama 'They shoulda never let him in there', and my friend said 'he was DULY ELECTED by a MAJORITY - no one 'LET' him in there'.
IDoMath
(404 posts)If you are going to lump people together by geographic boundaries then;
Texas didn't consent. OK didn't consent. AZ didn't consent..... etc, etc, etc
Not that I'm really suggesting secession but I've been among the 'unconsenting governed' for years. It's nice to feel like I'm actually consenting for once.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)we the governed of the United States elected Barack Obama. Their side simply does not accept the result.
Iris
(15,666 posts)I mean, do they realize those elections were just as close as this one, and the first one might have actually be stolen from the people? They are so uninformed, they shouldn't even be ALLOWED to vote.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)The second one was stolen too.
Iris
(15,666 posts)I thought about the morning of 9-11 before the planes hit when I heard a report on NPR that their had been a study of the ballots in FL and it was clear Gore had one. Of course, that report wasn't repeated a 2nd time once the chaos started.
IDoMath
(404 posts)because of Texans who promote this idea. Yeah, sure, first you have to close 18 military bases, NASA and exile KBR, halliburton, Lockheed-Martin etc. Generally, get off the federal teat. AND you have to do that without crashing the economy.
Good luck with that.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)I would have no problems with killing rebels to insure the Union is preserved.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Don't let the door hit them on the way out!
Michigan Alum
(335 posts)They would turn into 3rd world places without the blue states. It would be a great lesson for them. They would be leaving those states in droves after a few years.
Ya Basta
(391 posts)That is exactly correct. And I would love the irony of calling them "illegal immigrants" and for us to build a wall to keep them the hell out.
Wouldn't that be a sight.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Build a wall around their state. And then they lose every last dime that comes from the US government. They'd be on their knees begging to come back within five years.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)From what my Texan friend tells me, it is getting unlivable in the summers with the heat, so many may leave soon anywa.
NavyDavy
(1,224 posts)roads, like the ancient Romans did with crucification
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rDigital
(2,239 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)and I would gladly fight in that war regardless.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)All DUers from seceding states are welcome in Massachusetts. We have Elizabeth Warren, legal weed, gay marriage...we got it all.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Some of us like the moderate winters in the South.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Bring ALL the Mexican people here who want to be Americans under rule of law and deport ALL the secessionists to Mexico where they will FINALLY be happy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)If they wind up in Mexican prisons for their outrageous behavior or on the wrong side of a drug cartel they will either be executed or find a way to get the prisons to follow the 5 star system and Mexico has some history of pleasing their type so it could go either way.
Happy New Legals in America working and sending money home to help their families and still clueless seccessionists still thinking they own their little part of the world.
You're right. Mexico wouldn't go for it.
ALTHOUGH.... you must admit that there has been a lot of gang style warfare and basically assassinations of elected officials going on in Mexico over the last many years. So depending on the money you have and your connections, the "rule of law" MIGHT be open to some flexibility.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/09/174-government-officals-killed-in-six.html
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MEXICO CITY, Sept. 11, 2011 - During the administration of President Felipe Calderon, 174 public officials and politicians have been murdered by organized crime.
According to a count made by this newspaper, the victims range from candidates, mayors, elected mayors, state and local legislators, retired generals who act as secretaries of local public safety, state secretaries of public security and police chiefs, among others.
The largest proportion of those homicides refers to police officers, with 83 cases.
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexican-police-cia-shooting-2012-10
A misunderstanding or attempted HIT on the CIA?
http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war
A timeline - 50,000 dead in the government's crackdown on the cartels.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/08/world/la-fg-mexico-memorial-20120808
<snip>
MEXICO CITY It must have seemed like a good idea at the time: a memorial to the thousands of victims of the drug violence that has convulsed Mexico for most of the last decade.
Washington, after all, has its Vietnam War memorial. New York has its monument at the site of the World Trade Center.
But even as the winning design was being announced, Mexico's tribute was stricken by the conflicting visions and bitter disputes that have driven wedges into Mexican society.
Innocent civilians, police officers on duty and soldiers fighting drug cartels are among the more than 50,000 dead in the government's crackdown on the cartels. But there are also huge numbers of bad guys: traffickers, their thuggish gunmen, their corrupt politician accomplices. Does the memorial speak for all of them? And if not, how do you winnow the memorialized?
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bunnies
(15,859 posts)powergirl
(2,393 posts)Maybe they can all "secede" to Alcatraz or something
Michigan Alum
(335 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Austinites deserve free and unrestricted access to the rest of the US.
Ahpook
(2,751 posts)Stink up their part and slowly creep back over when its intolerable
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,839 posts)Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Too bad whatever states you take won't get to keep any military bases, NASA, national parks or other real estate belonging to the US government. You won't get any more federal money. No Social Security, Medicare, highway funds, education grants, weather services (find your own damn hurricanes), airport construction grants, or FAA air traffic controllers. You don't get to keep the Centers for Disease Control if you take Georgia; do your own disease research. You won't have an army, a navy or an air force, either. That's all ours, including the ships and airplanes.
So, welcome to the Third World, Freepers. Give it a couple of years and you'll be begging for foreign aid from us because you'll have started to look like Bangladesh.
Emillereid
(3,332 posts)too stupid to live with anymore. We would be a much better country without the racist, tea bagger states.
There must be a fair way to split the real estate.
NavyDavy
(1,224 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)You think the GOP gives a shit, freepazoids? Tee hee. No.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)America, love it or leave it.
I'd be happy to give some of them a ride to the airport. Just let me know.
libodem
(19,288 posts)They can go to Gitmo after we free the POW's.
Start a city of independent individuals who never help each other or form a government.
They can move there and have an Anarchy of their own. All insurrectionists will be shot on site, since they won't need any organized law enforcement.
They should all starve or be shot by each other in two weeks. End of story.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)And is not permitted by treaties we have signed on the use of biological weapons.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Needs a nap..
rightsideout
(978 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Smithsonian, and Carnegie Hall. They get to keep Liberty University and Branson, Missouri.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)They can go any time now. I don't care where.
Jim Warren
(2,736 posts)an adolescent pipe dream for these people because it would manifest as their worst nightmare .
The red states have the lowest quality of life by many measures yet are the largest recipients of federal largess that originates from the blue states.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Nice try, asshole.
In North America, you, sir, are a new minority. Deal with it.
oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)I didn't write this but it sounds good to me!
(with apologies to enlightened Red-Staters, no offense intended by me)
"The Enlightened States of America
Dear Red States:
Were ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and weve decided were leaving: Legitimate rape. is almost reason enough!
We in Oregon intend to form our own country and were taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you arent aware that includes New York, Hawaii, California, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft.
You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole Miss.
We get 85 percent of Americas venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the Red States pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalitions we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that the E.S.A. will be pro choice and anti war and were going to want all our citizens back from Afghanistan at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids theyre apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose and they dont care if you dont show pictures of their childrens caskets coming home.
We wish you success in Afghanistan, and possibly Iran as well, but were not willing to spend our resources in these sorts of pursuits.
With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of:
80% of the countrys fresh water,
more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce,
92% of the nations fresh fruit,
95% of Americas quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)
90% of all cheese,
90 percent of the high tech industry,
most of the US low sulfur coal,
all living redwoods, sequoias and condors,
all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech, Long Beach State, CAL, San Jose State and MIT.
With the Red States you will have to cope with:
88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs,
92% of all US mosquitoes,
nearly 100% of the tornadoes,
90% of the hurricanes,
99% of all Southern Baptists,
virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless were discussing the death penalty or gun laws,
44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.
Were taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.
Sincerely,
Stan Singer
Citizen of "The Enlightened States of America
Marr
(20,317 posts)Those people don't have the stones to do anything, and there aren't enough stupid people to follow them if they did.
'Blah, blah, blah. I didn't get my way. Wah, wah, wah.'
Atman
(31,464 posts)Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)They are hard working and freedom loving so they'll have no problem making a go of it.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)oppressedproletarian
(243 posts)TrogL
(32,822 posts)Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)It's really a blue state. We can run out all the unruly hicks. Besides the United States of Canada needs some warm sandy beaches.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The USC is growing!
Samjm
(320 posts)NV, NM, CO. Your map needs to be adjusted.
Just think, you'll get Vegas and the ski slopes of the Rockies.
TBF
(32,092 posts)while 4.5 supported Romney. Maybe we should just split the state.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Secession is quite silly... to the point of absurdity (regardless of which side either proposes it, or condones it). Once it happens for the reasons stated there (and sadly, here too) , people will once again find enough differences between them that it happens all over again. And after that, the same thing... until America is reduced to 311 million little Napoleons, emperors of their own little, 1-acre empires, and, while looking quite adorable in the blue uniforms, become by definition, ineffectual, ineffective and counter-productive to the collective good.
However, I imagine that discussions of it does present us one absolute positive-- it allows us to separate useless and dogmatic political hacks from everyone else.
Initech
(100,102 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)We'll give you guys Guam. See ya later.
People of Guam, we'll have plenty of room for you all.
Kingofalldems
(38,476 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Limbaugh will become a major film star in the the country of Freepidiocracy.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81248452/
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)bhn
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)do manage to hate its actual meaning and the results of following it.
ck4829
(35,091 posts)Byeeeeeeeeeee.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Them and whose army?
maxrandb
(15,355 posts)but this time, Reconstruction might be handled a little bit differently.
DiverDave
(4,887 posts)so get the fuck out.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)What the fuck are they going to break away from? Their next-door neighbors are probably Democrats. I've got two overt racists within a Frisbee throw of my house. My next door neighbor (good friend) put up a rMoney sign (for reasons I can't fathom). It's not the Mason-Dixon line if you know what I mean. We're integrated to a point where territory is irrelevant. The Freepers don't know what the hell they're even implying, much less what they're talking about.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)A Declaration of Relief from Butt Hurt
SWTORFanatic
(385 posts)Scott Walker can be their President too
VOX
(22,976 posts)Because they couldn't even afford to mint their own currency. Social Security? Nah. Medicare? Nope. Ted Nugent could be their Prez, Beck the Vice Prez, and Trump would be Treasurer. What kind of government would a place that hates government...have?