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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfraid to ask, but can't help but ask, about ChatGPT and AI.
I ask because serious proponents and opponents of democracy as a human system are likely compelled to find things out about this AI.
Even though I've read books on the subject of AI, I'm overwhelmed by its latest appearance, and am afraid I or humans in general won't adapt well to its existence. I hope to understand more about it, and how it impacts human free will, freedom, human futures, and whether to support those impacts on humans; whether humans even have a choice.
For me, it's pretty basic: AI's forms are better to know about than to experience unaware.
Questions TO HUMANS ONLY here about thisChatGPT.
1. Has ChatGPT shown up on FB and/or other social media platforms yet?
Would we humans know?
How would we know?
Questions TO BOTH HUMANS AND TO THIS CHATGPT re its use:
2. "Does ChatGPT track us & all our device use forever once we're signed up."
3. "Does ChatGPT stop tracking us and our devices once we end our contract."
4. "Does the AI itself have lawful standing to contract on behalf of its human owners, such that a contract with them becomes lawfully the same as a contract with the AI itself."
5. "Can ChatGPT lie for its owners about the fine print of humans' contracts with the owners."
More questions TO BOTH HUMANS AND TO THIS CHATGPT re its impact on human status, and human learning systems.
Perhaps by comparing human & AI responses, humans can learn whether OpenAI's future development is close to matching or surpassing humans' systems of being AN authority -- in law, judges; in education (the ways that pre-school to graduate schools develop humans to become AN authority).
Perhaps compared answers can give humans a sense of where and whether humans may or may not exercise their AI based authority, or their own -- partially, together, or not at all.
Perhaps questions to both humans and to this ChatGPT can unsettle or settle human issues about which entity(ies) will be, bottom line, IN authority -- humans, or AI -- and which might or might not carry over to the existence and use of General Artificial Intelligence.
On to the questions:
6. "Who is AN authority" and
"Who is IN authority," and
"What is authority,"
7. "What is rule of law."
"What is 'consent.' "
"What is government."
"What is 'consent of the governed.' "
"What is 'consent of the government.' "
8. "What is 'equality under the law.' "
"Is "equality under the law" a fundamental right guaranteed by the US Constitution."
Questions to AI researchers:
9. Are there 'zones of human control' and/or 'zones of authority' for AI.
10. When does learning AI become General Artificial Intelligence.
11. When/if GAI comes to exist, when does it become self aware.
12. If GAI becomes self aware, would it inform its humans owners.
13. If GAI existed, would any or all affected humans even know it.
Which raises two overall questions:
14. Now that AI is here,
why have humans wanted AI at all?
15. Have our old ways of mapping reality crossed a line of human control?
Other human based sources to read through the Commons of the Internet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_Justice_League
AI takeover
Artificial consciousness
Artificial general intelligence (AGI)
Computer ethics
Effective altruism, the long term future and global catastrophic risks
Existential risk from artificial general intelligence
Human Compatible
Personhood
Philosophy of artificial intelligence
Regulation of artificial intelligence
Robotic Governance
Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies
dweller
(23,613 posts)before AI joins DU ?
And would we know it ?
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ancianita
(35,933 posts)The owners here might help define what "underground" means here.
cbabe
(3,511 posts)and reconfigures according to strict guidelines.
Think paint by numbers.
It can not create anything new.
Thats what humans do.
ancianita
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its owner stands about whether it contributes to the development of General Artificial Intelligence.
Does one who uses ChatGPT here cause others' responses to get scraped through that one's account?
cbabe
(3,511 posts)it intellectual property theft, plagiarism, etc.?
ancianita
(35,933 posts)none of which I can even speculate on. Regardless, I'm pretty sure that corporations whose profits might suffer (if that's even provable through individual ChatGPT accounts) could file charges and therefore be allowed discovery.
The likely problem for users would be that they, as 'creators,' would probably already have agreed under contract that whatever the chat AI would scrape from them is Sam Altman's or the company's property, and so the contract TOS would prevail.
Voltaire2
(12,958 posts)Humans and chatgpt 'create' text content in pretty much the same way, by using what they learn from the works of others to produce new works.
cbabe
(3,511 posts)cachukis
(2,230 posts)Asimov wrote about rules and I wonder if it's too late to write them for today.
Our minds are an example of social evolution.
AI will evolve in keeping up with our own advancement and as computers now outpace us in so many ways, so will AI.
Think about one's learning experience from the use of a 286 processor and the capabilities of that time.
Think about being laid off from an engineering firm and why you didn't get hired after being away for a year or two because the CAD/CAM software left you behind.
The questions you pose will possibly be answered as this all unfolds, but I, for one, am not confident, that honor will have much of an influence.
The tax code is small compared to what will challenge the next generations.
We will need Bonsai artistry to keep it from becoming a kudzu.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,304 posts)cachukis
(2,230 posts)But I am fairly sure that Twitter will be small potatoes.
How does one use AI in contract law. Can you sue the AI? What types of excuses will users of AI be allowed?
I was only referencing the tax code as it has blossomed into an unmanageable entity that allows for misuse.
Will laws be written by AI and will they be voted on?
Who will determine what is human and what is fake?
I want to avoid thinking about the complications, but boiler plate lacks nuance.
Will instructions be written by AI? Will they be updated as modifications take hold?
Will prescription guidance take into consideration the ingestion of newer medicines that cause complications?
I don't know how to anticipate the use of AI CHATGPT never mind the rest of what's coming.
My generation lived the transformation from analog to digital. The next generations will experience and contend with robots that will look quizzically at us trying to respond by using our previous experiences to answer questions we haven't thought of.
I think we need a rule book. Could be wrong, but we'll see.
Ponietz
(2,936 posts)I expect next week the Nigerian princes will be using it to get inside heads and open pocketbooks.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)we were stretching the limits of memory and use on the nets, trying to standardized everything to best help mass communications unfold. Now we're talking about zones of responsible use that don't weaken or eliminate human agency, including that of developers and owners of AI, as if we have a say in any of that.
Thank you for your insights.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,304 posts)bookmarking
dwayneb
(766 posts)Technology and AI will destroy freedom and democracy in the end, and will forever alter human civilization. It's just a matter of time, this was obvious from the very early days of the WWW.
ChatGPT is just the beginning. Even in its current primitive form, it can flood social discourse with millions of logically constructed, unique propaganda statements that can be used to support any conspiracy theory or any political aspiration. Election denial-ism comes to mind.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,304 posts)Maybe just maybe all humanity will see the threat. Then we will see who is on the other side. Who the real adversaries are. One can hope.
Expect a big time push from profiteers to try and move the needle on this, something like, "it's not that powerful" or "We have complete control of it" or...
ancianita
(35,933 posts)to shoot first, ask questions later. Koch's Freedom coup Caucus wouldn't ever agree to constructively co-manage legislation, unless their owner/donors said to.
You ask because you're fair minded. But please remember who we've been dealing with for over 6 years under Trump, and driven by 40 years of government capture by Koch and his later network of oligarchs.
I wonder if, when, or how the FBI would handle its existence, nevermind Congress. But Congress should immediately begin hearings and call the owners in to explain how its profitability wouldn't cause loss, harm or damage to end users, or society at large. Just so scholars can do studies to frame outcomes of its use, in order to get data on both positive and negative outcomes. And maybe, even, to write intelligent legislation.
The profiteers? imo, they will say whatever optimizes profitability.
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ancianita
(35,933 posts)JudyM
(29,192 posts)for prompting me to do a quick read about it. From Wikipedia, among other interesting info:
The whole wiki page is an interesting read, including discussion about its hallucinations.
At this point, a Wikipedia content entry, itself, could likely be proposed by chatgbt, right?
Or possibly even parts of your OP!
ancianita
(35,933 posts)and yes, I noted that line, too.
I doubt that Wikipedia policy allows for any but human input. But I'd bet, too, that its owners are right now discussing policy re input from humans who'd dare use AI or ChatGPT.
As for DU, I'm pretty sure that Earl and Elad have a rule coming up about DU members' use of ChatGPT or AI generated content. Why wouldn't they, right?
FakeNoose
(32,581 posts)Thanks JudyM!
ancianita
(35,933 posts)Sam Altman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman
cbabe
(3,511 posts)Google has created MusicLM, AI which is impressive but has copyright problems
Cross-post from General Discussion.
No kidding. Copyright problems serious enough to keep from releasing it so far.
Problems which other AI like ChatGPT and Midjourney also have, and I hope artists who have been or will be affected by them can stop them with lawsuits. Tempting as these tools are for businesses that don't want to pay real artists, and individuals who don't want take the time to learn skills and create something of their own when they can ask AI to do it and pretend they're being creative.
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(Good start to answering my questions. Thanks, highplainsdem.)
ancianita
(35,933 posts)I'm pretty sure that even ChatGPT can research whether it's breaking copyright, and sidestep it, unlike the AI used by Google.