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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI see no way that Trump will be the nominee now
It will be Biden vs. DeSantis.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,382 posts)who talk like them, and hate the same people they do? I mean, that doesn't describe them at all, does it? Nothing in the past few years has pointed that way, has it?
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,807 posts)A man of the people versus a DICKtator wannabe.
DeSatan's authoritarian power grab in Florida will not work for the rest of the country. People are rising up in states that are trying to flex their Mussolini muscles.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)DeathSantis doesn't have enough national support. Trump supporters are already attacking him.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)He is loved by Republicans nationwide, and would crush anyone in the Republican primaries not named Trump.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)He has no personality or charisma.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)There isn't a single Republican primary poll where someone besides Trump is ahead of him. On Republican sites they say they like him, although some MAGA hardcores say he should step aside for Trump.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)move to the center...the GOP base is not enough to win elections.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)Just the Republican primary.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)spare me polls...There are few that can be trusted.
PortTack
(32,800 posts)Kaleva
(36,354 posts)Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)I do know a fair amount of Rs who are straddling DeSantis and 45, or even in Destantis camp for now, cause they see him him for what he is, a heart less technocrat who is more nazi like, focused and more subtle about things.
But, these people like to get misty over their candidates, and he does not have any personality or charm.
There still is a long time for someone with more personality or charm, who will have a proven record and proclivity to be mean to others, to jump over Desantis as 1B.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I don't know if DeSantis is on their radar yet, but I can see him gaining support quickly.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)They wont even entertain anyone other than Trump.
nevergiveup
(4,765 posts)More likely someone like Youngkin or Kemp. I agree about Trump. I don't believe he will physically or mentally make it through the next 2 years.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)No way would he make it 4 years + 2 more.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)pinkstarburst
(1,327 posts)Polling indicates both dems and repubs would prefer different candidates, likely due to age.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)nominee...he is one of the best presidents in my lifetime...the other is President Obama who gave us healthcare and saved millions of lives.
emulatorloo
(44,188 posts)going to be the next Republican President.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Might actually help him
patphil
(6,218 posts)They'll be the ones voting in large numbers in the primaries.
It's going to be a bloody fight, but Trump will be the nominee.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,664 posts)Trump currently has a strong lead for the nomination, but once the indictments drop, my sense is those who have been looking for an off ramp will use indictments to craft a narrative that Trump has become unelectable. I expect FOX will get a lot of mileage out of just asking questions- is Trump unelectable?
In addition, Politico published a report that there is a move afoot by some establishment Republicans to change the winner-takes-all primary rules. If they succeed, Trumps chances at winning the nomination drop significantly.
DeSantis has his own weaknesses as a candidate that have barely been examined on the national stage.
Nevertheless, my dream ballot would be a three way match up between Biden-DeSantis-Trump (as an independent). That way, we could kill two turds with one vote.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)It may eve drive more to him, in the GOP primaries.
They're already attacking DeSantis for not issuing a condemnation of the looming arrest.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)He'll be in jail by the end of the year. Without being in the debates, he won't win from prison.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)TFG will wave his right to a speedy trial and his lawyers will paper the district attorney to death.
Johnny2X2X
(19,134 posts)These cases will take years to play out, but he will be tied up in court for weeks at a time coming up.
Celerity
(43,560 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The wingnuts have been laying the ground work for nearly a decade now, about the debates being biased against them.
BannonsLiver
(16,482 posts)Im not sure the OP understands MAGA politics very well.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Good to know.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)They know Trump can't win but trying to get rid of Trump is a daunting task because of the maga base. If these indictments take him out then he will be gone without anyone in the party having to get their hands dirty and they will be done with Trump once and for all.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I hope Trump runs as an independent ...
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,627 posts)GenXer47
(1,204 posts)Trump gets elected President from jail and DeSantis basically does all the work while the Asshole Supreme does nothing but mean-girl tweet and throw ketchup.
Magrats love nothing more than making a point in the most obtuse way, and this would satisfy their hunger plus make the ticket electable.
Ms. Toad
(34,103 posts)Since that is the same observation that was made repeatedly about his first run for presidency.
We have to treat him as a serious threat.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,103 posts)people underestimated Trump and insisted he had no chance of winning.
2020 should have been a blowout. It wasn't.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)close. I think you are borrowing trouble...most losers who run again lose again. We also won Arizona...for the first time since Clinton won in 96 and before that Truman won in 49...seems like a solid win to me. The GOP won all other years since 1912 when they joined the union.
Ms. Toad
(34,103 posts)Especially when the fantasy is run by trump.
Treating him as a joke, is a non-threat is downright dangerous.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)And acting like he has a chance does us no good.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)midterms...I don't believe he can win again. I have given you my reasons and you come back with how I am living in a 'fantasy world' Really?
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Doom and gloom never gets us anywhere either.
LiberalFighter
(51,113 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,482 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Trump will drop out, fight his case, and give a few speeches to his base.
If we're in a recession next year, anything could happen.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)poor record of predicting who will become Republican frontrunners AND their need to nevertheless produce incessant jabber over a year out. They have a very high fail rate, (JEB!, anyone?) and the "DeSantis-as-the-tRump-destroyer" image is a press construct.
As is their destructive "DeSantis-the-pudding-pig" theme right now. The press pack may already be bored with him and ready to discard and replace.
Chakaconcarne
(2,463 posts)But he WILL explore every possible way to make $$$....and he will use the support he does have from MAGATs to blackmail the nominee to do his bidding...
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Polybius
(15,498 posts)Against Harris or Newsom, we're doomed.
ZonkerHarris
(24,259 posts)The GOP's is Trump's
he owns it.
No one can beat his plurality in the primaries.
The more that run against him the more that helps him.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)I gotta feeling