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vercetti2021

(10,445 posts)
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:41 PM Mar 2023

Everyone wants us erased

We are a hot button issue. But here we are still kicking the absolute shit out of us trans people. People falling for talking points, basically saying we aren't real men or women that we try to be, that we know we are. At this rate. You're gonna get it. Trans kids will commit suicide because of the GOP being cruel. You'll see adults do the same or be murdered. But hey long as people feel "right" in their opinions.

I wish I had died a long time ago. People like me have very little to no hope since allies are few and far in between. I can't even defend myself here. A place I thought I would be a safe space but even that is not good enough for people like me.

I wish some would understand this. How it feels and how much pain and misery it causes. I don't understand why some can't.

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Everyone wants us erased (Original Post) vercetti2021 Mar 2023 OP
Some people love inflicting pain and misery. Elessar Zappa Mar 2023 #1
K n R ! Thanks for posting!...nt JoeOtterbein Mar 2023 #2
Sending you hugs and oreos. Sorry it's been so rough. mucifer Mar 2023 #3
There are those who care. MooPie Mar 2023 #4
I"m glad to see this post radical noodle Mar 2023 #80
I'm sorry you're getting shit comments here. I don't know why it's so hard for some to protect trans WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #5
I have a Transgender Nephew snd a Gay Uncle. ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2023 #6
I am so sorry for all that you have been through. KarenS Mar 2023 #7
I didn't realize that you didn't feel safe here. femmedem Mar 2023 #8
In the last two days alone, Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #44
Please post links to these two threads, Abolishinist Mar 2023 #57
I am not Ms Toad but I remember these two LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #60
I read some of the first two linked threads and it was best to remove them. Mousetoescamper Mar 2023 #66
I'll chuck in a plug for Jammidodger's channel as well meadowlander Mar 2023 #68
this guy too. barbtries Mar 2023 #99
She's brilliant. barbtries Mar 2023 #98
I don't want to accidentally bring them back to life Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #63
Thanks. I hadn't been on DU much and missed them. femmedem Mar 2023 #72
I am so sorry, vercetti2021. crickets Mar 2023 #9
Cross-post. cilla4progress Mar 2023 #10
You're not alone, my friend. Stinky The Clown Mar 2023 #11
O, Dear Vercetti..everyone does not want to see you erased.. Deuxcents Mar 2023 #12
Not everybody! You have allies here and people who do care. Ocelot II Mar 2023 #13
Absolutely. We're all in this together. Your fight is OUR fight B.See Mar 2023 #71
+1. Not "everybody". It's those paranoid few who feel their own sexuality is threatened. nt TeamProg Mar 2023 #79
I wish I had more for you. KentuckyWoman Mar 2023 #14
Wishing you the very, very best GeoWilliam750 Mar 2023 #15
You have allies here. zuul Mar 2023 #16
Ally here in NYS. LuckyCharms Mar 2023 #17
I wish you all the best edisdead Mar 2023 #18
I've just picked up the book... Tesha Mar 2023 #19
Is this the book you mean, by any chance? ShazzieB Mar 2023 #40
Yes, that one. Tesha Mar 2023 #77
Well, gay texan Mar 2023 #20
I wish I could take away your pain. Solly Mack Mar 2023 #21
I'm beyond sorry about the hate coming your way. Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #22
I wish people would just live and let live. ananda Mar 2023 #23
Not everyone - but even one is one too many. I am sorry to read your words of your feelings NewHendoLib Mar 2023 #24
Please, if you are in need... COL Mustard Mar 2023 #25
No words, just love. quaint Mar 2023 #26
I know how you feel, girl. 💕 Oneironaut Mar 2023 #27
. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #54
I haven't read anything derogatory here regarding trans folk. judesedit Mar 2023 #28
The last two days have been particularly brutal, Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #45
Really? About what? Definitely not from a progressive. Maybe trolls? judesedit Mar 2023 #67
It is from people who claim to be progressive. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #108
Thank you for responding. I do understand it is hurtful. judesedit Mar 2023 #109
... roamer65 Mar 2023 #29
I'm sorry. swimboy Mar 2023 #30
I wish I could reach through my phone and hug you Lifeafter70 Mar 2023 #31
not everyone, vercetti2021 Skittles Mar 2023 #32
You are loved and appreciated, as you can see here! yardwork Mar 2023 #33
We love you Wild blueberry Mar 2023 #34
My deepest love yankee87 Mar 2023 #35
Ally here. JohnnyLib2 Mar 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2023 #37
They want someone to hate IronLionZion Mar 2023 #38
Here's hoping the NAZI SCUM don't get to you moonbeam23 Mar 2023 #39
Your allies here will not abandon you. Keep talking. We're listening. Mousetoescamper Mar 2023 #41
Probably the ones who think compassion is for sissies. calimary Mar 2023 #42
I am glad you did not die a long time ago. I don't KNOW what you are going through but can LoisB Mar 2023 #43
You have allies here. cate94 Mar 2023 #46
Thank you for being brave enough to share this here. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #47
Don't let those assholes steal your joy. Ligyron Mar 2023 #48
They want us to give up LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #49
. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #52
Thank you for all you do in these threads LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #62
You are very welcome. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #65
You are loved orangecrush Mar 2023 #50
I wish I could lift the pain of the world off your shoulders if only for a day rainin Mar 2023 #51
Shame on anyone here who's made you feel this way MustLoveBeagles Mar 2023 #53
V - don't give up on yourself or DU - there are NoMoreRepugs Mar 2023 #55
I wish you peace. hamsterjill Mar 2023 #56
I'm so sorry for your pain. I am an ally. 58Sunliner Mar 2023 #58
Another ally here ShazzieB Mar 2023 #59
Not everyone. nt BWdem4life Mar 2023 #61
A little ray of sunshine if it helps meadowlander Mar 2023 #64
not everyone but, yes, a lot of anti LGBT stuff going on. BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2023 #69
To all that has been said here, I can only add two things: DFW Mar 2023 #70
Being aware and saying so does help, a lot. yardwork Mar 2023 #110
We are your Allies. Voltaire2 Mar 2023 #73
Days ago, TERFs here swarmed that Ana post, to attack and gaslight DU's LGBT community. FreepFryer Mar 2023 #74
Not only that LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #75
Transfolk know better than anyone how cruel, hateful, and ignorant Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2023 #76
they're the party of death. mopinko Mar 2023 #78
I don't want you erased! CaptainTruth Mar 2023 #81
. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #82
Hey, I've got your back, anytime anywhere. Just shout out. Tommymac Mar 2023 #83
Grrrrrrrrrr RevBrotherThomas Mar 2023 #84
Ally here Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #85
I'm so sorry you've been dealing with this. area51 Mar 2023 #86
Hey guy Cherokee100 Mar 2023 #87
I think vercetti is a girl, not a guy. If you are trying to cheer her up that's a good start :) Nt FreepFryer Mar 2023 #92
I hear you. I know it doesn't help much, but I do hear you. God bless. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #88
Wouldn't be alive today... BigOleDummy Mar 2023 #89
There will always be ignorance and mean spirited jerks. Here we will band together and MLAA Mar 2023 #90
Societal change is difficult maxsolomon Mar 2023 #91
I'm grateful you're in the community of DU, vercetti! majdrfrtim Mar 2023 #93
You have my un-wavering support, and that of my family. Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #94
I'm very glad you're here Withywindle Mar 2023 #95
I'm glad you are here to share your perspective! jcgoldie Mar 2023 #96
i have an inking, barbtries Mar 2023 #97
No, not everyone. I don't. MineralMan Mar 2023 #100
I AM Someone. I Do Not Want You Erased - "Everyone" Does NOT Want You Erased MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #101
My hands are up in support of you beautiful tavernier Mar 2023 #102
I hope you rise above Marthe48 Mar 2023 #103
That is absolutely not true. I believe that the vast majority of people here, accept you Maraya1969 Mar 2023 #104
Hugs from the Mom of a trans child 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️ Murphyb849 Mar 2023 #105
I fear this will only get worse EnergizedLib Mar 2023 #106
I'm so glad you're here. Goddessartist Mar 2023 #107

Elessar Zappa

(16,330 posts)
1. Some people love inflicting pain and misery.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:45 PM
Mar 2023

Others oppose things they don’t understand. Just understand that you do have allies and people who care about the well-being of the trans community. You are valued and loved.

MooPie

(407 posts)
4. There are those who care.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:48 PM
Mar 2023

I am an ally based in Orlando and a strong supporter of Equality Florida, and believe me, we are fighting tooth and nail against this wave of oppression. Know that you matter and that at least here in Central Florida the outrage is palpable and we are galvanized to fight this battle head on. Don't despair, there are more who care than you realize.

radical noodle

(10,163 posts)
80. I"m glad to see this post
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:16 AM
Mar 2023

I've seen ads for Equality Florida on Facebook (I live in Florida) and have wondered about the group. It's good to see that it's a legit group that I can feel comfortable donating to.

To the OP: I can't pretend to understand what you must go through on a daily basis with all the haters, but I care and I support you.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,802 posts)
5. I'm sorry you're getting shit comments here. I don't know why it's so hard for some to protect trans
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:49 PM
Mar 2023

people.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,621 posts)
6. I have a Transgender Nephew snd a Gay Uncle.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:50 PM
Mar 2023

I fear for both. One lives in Ohio, the other in Rhode Island. I love both of them dearly.

You have an ally in Minnesota.

femmedem

(8,506 posts)
8. I didn't realize that you didn't feel safe here.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:51 PM
Mar 2023

I must have missed some posts. I'm so sorry this community has let you down.

You have more people who support you here than you know. I think most of us assumed DU would be safe and didn't see the instances when you haven't been.

But yeah, the open, heartless, self-righteous cruelty towards trans people has been horrific.
I barely recognize our country anymore. It feels surreal.

Ms. Toad

(36,861 posts)
44. In the last two days alone,
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:45 PM
Mar 2023

There have been two very prominent significantly transhostile threads. But in the last two weeks (at least) there has been at least one thread or post which has been subtly (the "we can't talk about that here" whine) to blatant (e.g. labeling political opponents "it" - a classic insult hurled at trans individuals, and posting trans-hostile comments in threads in safe space groups.)

It would be great if you could keep a sharp eye out for hostility. Vercetti and other trans and non-binary individuals shouldn't have to fear wandering into discussions on DU, nor should the obligation to say, "stop it" fall on their shoulders. We all need to look out more for each other - and on this issuse, there are too few of us speaking out.

Abolishinist

(2,504 posts)
57. Please post links to these two threads,
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:44 PM
Mar 2023

I would like to see what you are referring to.

Thanks!

LostOne4Ever

(9,654 posts)
60. I am not Ms Toad but I remember these two
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 12:45 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:41 AM - Edit history (1)

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Lots of deleted posts… I suspect these are the threads she is referring to.

There was also this one:
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There was also a post today attacking drag that got deleted and I had this reply to me in the LGBTQ forum:


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Edit: after reading Ms Toad’s response I agree and it is best to not link them. So I have edited them out.

Mousetoescamper

(6,194 posts)
66. I read some of the first two linked threads and it was best to remove them.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:12 AM
Mar 2023

What struck me was how much of the conflict was due to misunderstanding.

Education is what's needed and who better to educate us than a transgender person. Natalie Winn is a transgender woman with a YouTube channel called ContraPoints. Her videos are very entertaining and well done. I think viewing the following video might be a good place to begin.


meadowlander

(4,910 posts)
68. I'll chuck in a plug for Jammidodger's channel as well
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:41 AM
Mar 2023


From 6:00 for why "pregnant people" erases women is bullshit.

&t=321s

From 1:00 from why "cis" isn't a replacement for "woman".

Not holding my breath that some of the people on those threads carrying the torch for gender critical theory/ right-wing anti-trans talking points will bother listening to actual trans people but you never know.

barbtries

(30,385 posts)
98. She's brilliant.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:19 PM
Mar 2023

her videos come few and far between and are near full length movies. the production values are miles above most youtube videos. And again, she is brilliant.

Ms. Toad

(36,861 posts)
63. I don't want to accidentally bring them back to life
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:08 AM
Mar 2023

by linking to them specifically. The worst one finally dropped off the front page (after being bounced up back up briefly today) It is traumatizing to have them on the front page of GD - and I don't want to add to the trauma.

The gist of both of them was to elevate the gaslighting by the likes of JK Rowling and Ana Kasparian related to describing medical services and hygiene products in gender neutral terms (since there are pregnant men and women with prostates, for example). (E.g. XYZ Clinic offers prenatal services to people who are pregnant." Because the descriptions do not use the word woman, they are being reframed as "they" are telling me I can't self-identify as a woman - I now have to describe myself as a person with a uterus or a person who is pregnant. "They" is never identified, nor are any links or other supporting evidence provided when asked who, specifically, is telling you that you can't self-identify as a woman.

In recent days, "it" (a classic insult to trans individuals) has been used to insult Republican politicians. Several posts have supported legislative or athletic organization bans on trans women's participation in women's sports. That's off the top of my head.

femmedem

(8,506 posts)
72. Thanks. I hadn't been on DU much and missed them.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 05:43 AM
Mar 2023

I will indeed keep an eye out, push back and alert when necessary.

crickets

(26,158 posts)
9. I am so sorry, vercetti2021.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:55 PM
Mar 2023

I try to be a good ally and echo the thoughts from femmedem. Just want you to know I'm very glad you're here.

Deuxcents

(22,124 posts)
12. O, Dear Vercetti..everyone does not want to see you erased..
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:00 PM
Mar 2023

There are some in this world who might, but not everyone. The loudest and most vile among us are the ones getting attention while most who are doing the hard work to help heal and educate, do it behind the scenes. I cannot say that I honestly know how you feel or what you’re experiencing but I can honestly say, we all have worth even tho we’re wrapped in different packaging. Some will never understand the misery they cause others so don’t give them your energy. Stay strong and healthy .. that’s a way to beat them

Ocelot II

(124,669 posts)
13. Not everybody! You have allies here and people who do care.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:09 PM
Mar 2023

Many people are fighting on behalf of trans people; my state and several others have declared themselves havens where trans rights to health care and support will be legally protected. Please don't give up.

B.See

(5,381 posts)
71. Absolutely. We're all in this together. Your fight is OUR fight
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 04:49 AM
Mar 2023

Because the struggle for Civil Rights on MANY fronts is FAR from over. In fact, it's only just BEGUN.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
79. +1. Not "everybody". It's those paranoid few who feel their own sexuality is threatened. nt
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:06 AM
Mar 2023

KentuckyWoman

(6,964 posts)
14. I wish I had more for you.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:10 PM
Mar 2023

How tragic that you've been made to feel unwelcome here. We need each other. You included. Please don't get "erased".





edit - simplified

GeoWilliam750

(2,555 posts)
15. Wishing you the very, very best
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:12 PM
Mar 2023

Most people here are good people, and try to make the world better for the rest of us.

You are a wonderful and valuable person, and most people here will tell you how much you are loved.

And you are very, very much loved.



Tesha

(21,011 posts)
19. I've just picked up the book...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:20 PM
Mar 2023

‘Cruelty Is the Reason’

I haven’t started it yet, the title is enough for now.

People have always been afraid of the different, and now the right is using it to manipulate people. These haters? It’s not everyone, not a majority, but just one loud ahole is all it takes to hurt folks to the core.

Hold on, know you are loved and appreciated for who you are, and stay strong.

ShazzieB

(20,582 posts)
40. Is this the book you mean, by any chance?
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:20 PM
Mar 2023

Your post aroused my curiosity, so I googled. This is the closest thing I could find:



Either way, I think I want to read this.

ananda

(31,691 posts)
23. I wish people would just live and let live.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:30 PM
Mar 2023

The cruelty towards, and targeting of trans people for
extinction, is getting extreme.

I have a family member who is they/them, started
out as a biological girl, but now identifies by a male
name, though not going to change their body.

They're just trying to get by and stay sane.

I love them dearly and I'm doing my best to love
and support them in a good way.

Fortunately, they live in a blue state with good
parents.

NewHendoLib

(61,130 posts)
24. Not everyone - but even one is one too many. I am sorry to read your words of your feelings
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:31 PM
Mar 2023

it breaks my heart.

COL Mustard

(7,376 posts)
25. Please, if you are in need...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:31 PM
Mar 2023

Call 988 and get in touch with people who can help you.

I can't. I'm not trained or experienced but there are people who can do both. Please get in touch with them. You are valued and loved.

Oneironaut

(5,980 posts)
27. I know how you feel, girl. 💕
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:34 PM
Mar 2023

I’m happy you’re here, because trans people are far in between. We need to stick together in this absolute shitshow of an era.

I feel a lot of parallels to being autistic. Non-autistic people claim to support us, but, they really just wish we would go away. It’s true more often than not.

I wish there was more I could say, except, take care of your mental health, and, ignore the ignorant people.

Also, check your DMs 😀

judesedit

(4,545 posts)
28. I haven't read anything derogatory here regarding trans folk.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:37 PM
Mar 2023

I know I can't read everything every day, but I do read a whole lot of the posts here daily. If I had read anything hurtful I would have been sure to write a reply. No one can judge or condemn until they've walked a mile in your shoes. Equal rights means equal rights for all. No one is better than anyone else, no matter their station in life. Do not let the ignorant control your life. You must be brave and stand up for those coming after you. May the angels spread their wings over you and protect you in this righteous fight. We are here for you.

Ms. Toad

(36,861 posts)
45. The last two days have been particularly brutal,
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:49 PM
Mar 2023

but honestly there's been an average of at least one hostile thread or post a day for at least 3 weeks.

judesedit

(4,545 posts)
67. Really? About what? Definitely not from a progressive. Maybe trolls?
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:22 AM
Mar 2023

Just really surprised. All I've seen is support.

So sorry for any negatvity affecting any trans individuals. Shows ignorance as far as I'm concerned. I'm so glad I didn't see it. Where are the moderators? I wish I had time to be one. There is to be no criticism of any member or democrat. Period. We are supposed to be civil here. I guess some always slip, through.

It is a slim slice of this population. Ignore them. Trans people have enough life or death situations to deal with without that crap here. This is supposed to be a refuge for us all at this crazy time in this crazy world. The majority of us stand with lgbtq+ individuals. Pity for the rest. They still have a lot to learn in life.


Ms. Toad

(36,861 posts)
108. It is from people who claim to be progressive.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:21 PM
Mar 2023

And who are quite vocal and indignant about being called out. Which makes these threads worse.

Unfortunately, when you are under attack 24/7 - and come here expecting tihhs place to be safe - it is pretty overwhelming. Even a slim slice of the population is too many.

Many of the posts have been surviving juries. A few of the more blatant ones are now being hidden, due to a change in TOS. Unfortunately, the more subtle ones are still surviving.

judesedit

(4,545 posts)
109. Thank you for responding. I do understand it is hurtful.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 11:10 PM
Mar 2023

If I see it myself, I will flag it. I have a gay brother, and have quite a few lgbtq friends. I am sensitive to this issue and have quit organizations when I learned of derogatory remarks made regarding lgbtq+ community.

Where do these hateful bastards get off thinking they are better than any other human being? Their illiteracy and ignorance are astounding to me. They must live under a rock. Will they ever grow up???

I'm truly sorry for what lgbtq+ people have to go through just to live their lives each day. It's horrendous and heartbreaking.

swimboy

(7,318 posts)
30. I'm sorry.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:45 PM
Mar 2023

I see you. I understand. I’m in your corner. I can hardly believe what we’re seeing work its way through our society and taking us in the wrong direction. I try to speak up the best way and most often that I can.

Lifeafter70

(491 posts)
31. I wish I could reach through my phone and hug you
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:47 PM
Mar 2023

Tell you how beautiful you are. There is hope. I work with two trans people who came out last year and started their transitions to become the beautiful butterflies that they always were. Thankfully I work for a no tolerance company and they recieved a lot of love and support. The pronouns were hard at first but after a few weeks no problem. Just wanted to let you know you are loved by many who don't know you personally and we are willing to fight for your right to exist.

Skittles

(164,044 posts)
32. not everyone, vercetti2021
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:47 PM
Mar 2023

I've got your back, and there are plenty of us here, we are HERE FOR YOU, we will FIGHT THESE FASCISTS TOGETHER

yankee87

(2,532 posts)
35. My deepest love
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:54 PM
Mar 2023

I know I can not be with you personally, but I am and will always be your ally.

Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

IronLionZion

(48,767 posts)
38. They want someone to hate
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:04 PM
Mar 2023

hate manipulates their idiotic paranoid voters into doing things that rational human beings won't.

Blaming me for "stealing jobs" doesn't work as well during labor shortage. So they step on you because you're the easy target now. We have to hang together or we all hang separately.

moonbeam23

(397 posts)
39. Here's hoping the NAZI SCUM don't get to you
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:06 PM
Mar 2023

i am an ally also.

One of my best friends transitioned almost 60 years ago, when nobody hardly did it and for sure nobody talked about it.

She went through hell with the surgery and the hormone treatments, and she managed to get all her documents in her REAL name.

Married twice to cis males. One beat her up and left her for dead...the other left her after 18 years for a russian gold digger who eventually ruined him and then left him.

SHE GOT THE LAST LAUGH! She has been with this really good looking and kind man 27 years her junior who has treated her like a queen for at least the last 19 years...i lose track lol...

She is funny and smart and big hearted and did me such a solid years ago that if we live to 100, i could never repay her.

To see the NAZI SCUM try to turn trans people into German Jews makes me insanely angry. They will NOT succeed.


You will be protected by earthly and heavenly forces, because that is love.

Mousetoescamper

(6,194 posts)
41. Your allies here will not abandon you. Keep talking. We're listening.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:29 PM
Mar 2023

I can't help you where you live, but I will confront anyone here who questions how you define yourself.

Help, such as can be had here, is coming your way.



LoisB

(10,349 posts)
43. I am glad you did not die a long time ago. I don't KNOW what you are going through but can
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:35 PM
Mar 2023

certainly empathize and support. You have many allies here so don't give up. Sending a big virtual hug your way.

cate94

(2,955 posts)
46. You have allies here.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:56 PM
Mar 2023

And in Chicago. And sometimes in Palm Dessert.

I came out as a lesbian in 1974. I get your pain. I was disowned and unfriended in real life. I understand and I’m sorry.

Ms. Toad

(36,861 posts)
47. Thank you for being brave enough to share this here.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:01 PM
Mar 2023

I'll keep trying to have your back - and invite everyone else in this thread to do the same.

Ligyron

(7,939 posts)
48. Don't let those assholes steal your joy.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:02 PM
Mar 2023

They want you upset, frightened and depressed.

Don't play their stupid game because if you do...they win.

You are well loved, apparently a lot more than you realize. The chances of anything bad happening to you personally is pretty remote if you take sensible precautions, ones not a whole lot different than those we here must also take.

I would hope if anyone on here posted something even remotely transphobic, that they would be alerted on and if so that post would surely be pulled unless it was some type of misunderstanding. That, and the poster themselves would most likely be ignored and ostracized.

IDK, maybe they have been and that's why we tend not to see any.

Go something especially nice for yourself because you deserve it Girl!

LostOne4Ever

(9,654 posts)
49. They want us to give up
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:04 PM
Mar 2023

We can never give them that satisfaction. Things will only get worse if we give up.

I have never seen so much hate and cruelty in my life. And to realize that said hate is directed toward us is absolutely terrifying. We don’t want to hurt anyone. We just want to be ourselves and pursue happiness just like everyone else.

Why must that cause so much hate?

I feel hopeless, but I hold on to the belief that so long as we are alive there is hope. Hope that this bubonic plague of hate comes to an end. All nightmares come to an end eventually.

So I beseech you to do the same!!! Don’t lose hope!

orangecrush

(24,581 posts)
50. You are loved
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:11 PM
Mar 2023

And welcome here.

Put the haters on ignore, and you will check later, 9 times out of 10, THEY will have been erased, NOT YOU.

rainin

(3,246 posts)
51. I wish I could lift the pain of the world off your shoulders if only for a day
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:16 PM
Mar 2023

My daughter is a beautiful, loving, intelligent trans woman. Seeing the cruelty that she has to endure guts me. I'm afraid for her while at the same time incredibly proud of her. She's making a life for herself that is authentic and inspiring. I'm sorry enough of us haven't stood up to the comments that make you feel unsafe. I will make it my mission to call it out if I come across those type of comments. I hope as a community, we can do better. You matter. You belong. You are loved.

MustLoveBeagles

(13,237 posts)
53. Shame on anyone here who's made you feel this way
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:18 PM
Mar 2023

This is supposed to be a safe & welcoming place. I'm so sorry you are made to feel this way. We have a non-bininary child with a shit birth mother that considers us their parents. They're out and proud but I'm terrified for them with all the crap going on. Keep your chin high. It may not seem like it but you're a valued member of this community and you do have allies here. I think that we as a community need to get better at calling out and reporting these posts when we see them.

hamsterjill

(15,807 posts)
56. I wish you peace.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 11:32 PM
Mar 2023

I cannot begin to understand what you’ve been through. But I believe that every human being should have the choice to love their life as they see fit.

I grew up in a redneck town in South Texas and it took me a while to understand. But I learned and I grew and I was enlightened and I do not understand the hate. But mostly, I don’t understand the need to CONTROL what another does.

That probably makes no sense. I just wanted to wish you well and I hope you’ll take this post in the spirit in which it is meant.

ShazzieB

(20,582 posts)
59. Another ally here
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 12:13 AM
Mar 2023

Reading your post made my heart hurt. Knowing that you feel this way makes me sad, and hearing that DU doesn't feel like a safe place for you makes me both sad and angry. (Sad for you and angry with anyone who has said things that made you feel unwelcome.) I am also deeply sorry for anything I may have ever unwittingly said or done that may have contributed to you or anyone else feeling unwelcome here.

I hope the responses help at least a little bit. Please believe that there are many of us here who genuinely do care about you and the other trans members of our DU community and are absolutely HORRIFIED by the vendetta Repukes have launched against people like you.

DU obviously needs to do better, and I believe we can do better. I want to help us do better. I want to have your back and the backs of every other person here who belongs to the LGBTQ+ community or any other marginalized group. More than thst, I want to help you feel like I and others here have your back.

Thank you for reminding all of us that we still have a ways to go. You have given us a wakeup call, and I pledge to do my best to rise to neet this challenge.

meadowlander

(4,910 posts)
64. A little ray of sunshine if it helps
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:09 AM
Mar 2023

Posie Parker (British anti-trans activist and documented actual Nazi) was run out of New Zealand on rails after she tried to hold a series of anti-trans rallies in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. Almost 6000 counter-protestors turned up and the hundred-odd Parker supporters fled the scene.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839091/antitrans-activist-posie-parker-leaves-country-after-chaotic-auckland-rally

There are more of us than there are of them and we shouldn't let the loudest and most obnoxious on the other side cloud our perception of the actual love and support that is out there.

These kids are the future, not the haters.

DFW

(57,951 posts)
70. To all that has been said here, I can only add two things:
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:12 AM
Mar 2023

Anyone who feels a need to openly spread their hate, whether on the floor of a State Legislature or right here is telling us more about themselves than anyone else.

And…..

I fully realize that merely being aware of that helps no one and lessens no one’s pain.

FreepFryer

(7,086 posts)
74. Days ago, TERFs here swarmed that Ana post, to attack and gaslight DU's LGBT community.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 05:56 AM
Mar 2023

None posted a word of commiseration or support about the Kentucky lawmaker who lost a trans son, and the supreme violation of motherhood and womanhood the loss of a child to suicide represents.

Not one.

Instead, it’s when matters of bathrooms, sports, uteruses and names comes up, the same folks chime in, echo the right wing attack language talking points, and become the self-appointed guardians of “What is a Woman” yet again.

The cruelty and bigotry is transparently obvious (no pun intended), even to cis folks.

No matter what they pull, this basic schoolyard lesson is always the same - dont give the bullies the satisfaction of seeing you cry. Pick your moment, and stand your ground, and others will come to your aid.

LostOne4Ever

(9,654 posts)
75. Not only that
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 07:57 AM
Mar 2023

They aren’t even trying to hide their dog whistles. From trying to defend the term GC/TERF, to denying JKR being a TERF, to outright trying to make it look like there is some sort of struggle between women and trans women here on DU.

They are putting in only the most minimal attempt to hide their disdain.



That said, Earl G did a great job pushing back against them!

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
76. Transfolk know better than anyone how cruel, hateful, and ignorant
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:20 AM
Mar 2023

a terrifying number of human beings are. Transphobes take delight and filthy satisfaction in harming transfolk any way they can, from insulting them with words to passing dehumanizing laws, and in more extreme cases, to murdering them. Mean, ignorant bigots think it is perfectly fine to harm transfolk, because they see transfolk as less than human.

Makes me hurt and sick to the very depths of my heart and soul.

Hang in there, vercetti2021, and know that there are some of us who recognize the KKK like fascist horror that resides in the hearts and minds of transphobic bigots, and we're not gonna take it.

Together, we're going to kick transphobe ass in the next election. If we can't change their hearts and minds, we can at least drive them back under the slimy rock they crawled out from under.

As for so called progressives hating on transgender folks, you are a shame to the Democratic party and the progressive movement, and your stinking hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Get a life. The first step to getting a life is understanding this...

We are all equal members of one human family. Hurting transfolk because you are not right in the head and heart is so very wrong. Like Stevie Wonder wrote, "when you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...superstition ain't the way".

"People crave a reason for their struggles, he contended, and so turn to figures like Donald Trump for answers.

“They need an explanation, in my view, as to why they are worse off, and Trump is giving them—and his friends give them—the lying, dishonest explanations. ‘It’s the immigrants, it’s blacks, it’s gays, it’s transgender people,’” Sanders said. But the “real cause” of that pain is the “economic system designed to benefit the very, very rich at the expense of everybody else.” Bernie Sanders

We need you and your voice here at DU, vercetti2021. Please don't ever leave. Many here are geninely empathetic enough to get it, to feel the mean, cruel, sick hatred that transphobes carry in their hearts and minds.

We know what's going on. We love you, and the rest of the transgender community here at DU, vercetti2021.




mopinko

(72,490 posts)
78. they're the party of death.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 08:47 AM
Mar 2023

plain and simple. whether it’s trying to kill the aca, refusing to expand medicare, cutting poverty programs or painting targets on the back of innocent ppl.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
83. Hey, I've got your back, anytime anywhere. Just shout out.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:34 AM
Mar 2023

I was in Harrisburg PA last week, and was pleasantly surprised to be there while a big LGBT event was held. The Hilton was totally booked with this event so we had to stay at the Crowne.

It was really cool to see folks of all ages in the group. I saw no haters in Harrisburg. At least where I was.

We went out to eat in several restaurants on Restaurant Row and there was a big group from the event at all of them. No one was staring or acting stupid.

Just normal peeps eating out and enjoying the evening. So cool.

But for those haters here and anywhere else - fuck off.

RevBrotherThomas

(854 posts)
84. Grrrrrrrrrr
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:37 AM
Mar 2023

Of all the places for transfolk and minority gender/sexualities to feel safe online, DU SHOULD be at/near the top of the list.

I hear you and have your back.

- A Polysexual/Queer reverend

Johnny2X2X

(22,844 posts)
85. Ally here
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 09:57 AM
Mar 2023

One of my wife and I's best friends is an amazing trans woman.

Republicans have targeted trans people because they're vulnerable and bullies target the vulnerable. Democrats will come through for civil rights for trans people, it's going to be a long and hard fight though.

area51

(12,299 posts)
86. I'm so sorry you've been dealing with this.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 10:04 AM
Mar 2023

You've definitely got allies. Fvck the transphobes!


Cherokee100

(394 posts)
87. Hey guy
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 10:21 AM
Mar 2023

You hang in there. Don't let the sickos in this world, drag you down to their level. You have the courage to be yourself, they don't.

FreepFryer

(7,086 posts)
92. I think vercetti is a girl, not a guy. If you are trying to cheer her up that's a good start :) Nt
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 01:32 PM
Mar 2023

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
89. Wouldn't be alive today...
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 11:19 AM
Mar 2023

...if not for a gay friend and his trans wife. Never hear any derogatory crap from ME!

MLAA

(19,200 posts)
90. There will always be ignorance and mean spirited jerks. Here we will band together and
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 12:49 PM
Mar 2023

dispatch them. We all will need to stay alert and shut them out. The overwhelming majority here holds you in light! You are brave! You are respected and admired here.

maxsolomon

(36,536 posts)
91. Societal change is difficult
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 12:59 PM
Mar 2023

Trans visibility prompts a backlash. That's where we are; where things appear worse before they get better.

Hard to see from the perspective of today, but things were worse for transgender people in decades past. Suicide and murder were more common.

majdrfrtim

(340 posts)
93. I'm grateful you're in the community of DU, vercetti!
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 02:27 PM
Mar 2023

I'm grateful for your courage and honesty. I wish serenity and peace upon you. My heart aches for you. I hope you're feeling the support and love for you in the responses to this post.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
95. I'm very glad you're here
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:03 PM
Mar 2023

And I'm sorry for what you've had to face, even here on DU where people really should know better. Sadly, there is still some backward thinking and irrational fear here, as everywhere. We should do better.

I don't want you erased. I want you alive, joyous, proud, your true self living your best life. The best revenge, as they say. I want you and all trans people to be protected, celebrated, and free. The cruelty and ignorance and scapegoating makes me sick to my heart.

You're beautiful and you matter.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
96. I'm glad you are here to share your perspective!
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:10 PM
Mar 2023

Last edited Mon Mar 27, 2023, 06:00 PM - Edit history (1)

Thank you!

barbtries

(30,385 posts)
97. i have an inking,
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:15 PM
Mar 2023

but I know I don't walk in your shoes. However I promise you do have an ally in me. please don't die. don't give up, don't give in.

MayReasonRule

(3,329 posts)
101. I AM Someone. I Do Not Want You Erased - "Everyone" Does NOT Want You Erased
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:39 PM
Mar 2023

Individuals are just that, individuals.
Ascribe to the malevolent, malevolence.
Ascribe to the delusional, delusion.
Ascribe to the reasoned, reason.
Ascribe to those that love, love.



The malevolent and the delusional will always fight against reasoned understanding.

This is because the malevolent and the delusional have absolutely zero use for reasoned understanding.
"Their" understanding resides in the same place that manufactures their "butt-nuggets of wisdom".

As in the rest of life it is necessary to "take what you need and leave the rest."
Life is full of useless assholes

Let the horses patooties speak for their selves.
I just stay grateful that they self-identify!

I embrace what I love.
I start with myself, I leave the rest.

By focusing on what I love, I embrace what's useful, and allow the rest of "the chips" to fall where they may.
It allows me to avoid the larger shit-shows wherever they may roam.

Otherwise, the patootie's shit-shows block the sunlight of reason that emboldens my steps and brightens my day.

Where I come from, in my local parlance, we're all y'all.
May reason rule wherever y'all dwell!

And always remember to laissez bon temps rouler!
Celebrate your life so that others may celebrate theirs with you!





tavernier

(13,684 posts)
102. My hands are up in support of you beautiful
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 04:46 PM
Mar 2023

loving, creative, sexy, funny, talented, strong humans!
And that goes for all my family and friends who feel absolutely the same way.

Marthe48

(20,599 posts)
103. I hope you rise above
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 05:59 PM
Mar 2023

Please don't let the crap seep in and poison your heart. I read a lot of your posts, and you come across as someone who'd be a good friend. Don't let anger and despair bury you.

I'm a straight old lady, but I've had friends from all walks of life. My friends were my friends before they came out of the closet, or even if they were out when I met them. Being L, G, B, T, or Q, or + didn't change any of my friends. Heart and soul, they are good people, and I want good people in my universe. Maybe our friendship got enhanced because they trusted me to accept them regardless. So it is a gift when a friend is a friend no matter what.

Take care of yourself.

Maraya1969

(23,259 posts)
104. That is absolutely not true. I believe that the vast majority of people here, accept you
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 06:30 PM
Mar 2023

as you are. I truly hope you will not allow a few loudmouth, ignorant, dumb, and probably very unhappy people dictate how you will feel about yourself.

I feel sad to hear you say these things. Know that I care about you. I wish the very best for you. And I believe these challenges will make you stronger.

💜💜💜💜. 🤗

EnergizedLib

(2,524 posts)
106. I fear this will only get worse
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 07:08 PM
Mar 2023

It would not surprise me for Republicans to want a final solution against trans people in this country.

You are loved, you absolutely matter. You are not a bad person. Though I am cis, I know what it’s like to wish I we’re dead. You think it never gets better, but life can surprise in good ways sometimes.

If others aren’t here for you, we will be. We will stand with you.

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