Reports of HS students chosing colleges w/ an eye to the states policies

[irisblue]

Cross post from History of Feminism. I have different quotes here

(If I had a college age kid, I'd suggest a non Ohio university/college)

snip-"Details on the Survey
Liberals were more likely than conservatives to rule out a college because of its location, but only by a small margin (31 percent to 28 percent). Moderates were 22 percent, and 12 percent didn’t categorize themselves.

Other groups that were more likely to eliminate a college because of its location: LGBTQ students (32 percent versus 21 percent for straight students) and non-first-generation students (26 percent versus 19 percent for first-generation students).

In terms of where liberals and conservatives are ruling out colleges, liberals were most likely to be ruling out colleges in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Texas. But they also were against enrolling in Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nebraska, South Carolina and Utah.


source -https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2023/03/27/role-politics-where-students-want-go-college#.ZCGlFy0e2lw.twitter

[irisblue]

1. A few tweets on this

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[riversedge]

13. K and R

[NullTuples]

17. It's worse than, "practitioners will leave these states"...far worse. This will affect all states.

Where will they go? It's not like the other half of the United States has unlimited OB/Gyn & similarly affected jobs that need to be filled. The number of jobs are based on the local population likely to need their services.

So then next year and the next - the number of new practitioners in those fields will be cut in half going forward. They'll have nowhere to learn, nowhere to train.

And for specialties, where there might only be a couple dozen truly skilled & experienced top practitioners in the country? Some will retire early. Others may move overseas. And that means waiting lists and delays for treatment will grow far beyond what they are now. And again, only half the spots to train new replacements going forward.

Republicans are forcing their religious values on every state in the union.

[JPK]

56. It's called "Brain Drain".

When the best and the brightest students, the tenured and critical professors, the federal research dollars that follow the best and brightest and their professors move to other states. These universities in the red states will wither and die. Well, maybe except for their football programs. Which seem to be the only reason these universities exist currently anyway.

[NullTuples]

58. Except they're draining the entire country, by design. It's not just their own states.

[JPK]

59. Oh...

I doubt MIT will be losing any students, or professors, or DARPA research grants to UF or UT, or to any other SEC college.

[elleng]

2. I attended college/university in Ohio,

and even tho it was a long time ago, decided didn't want to spend 4 straight years there, so 'invented' jr. year away, and was the first at the school to do so. It's a well-established thing, now.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Ohio State University is gay friendly and so is Columbus.

I sent my gay daughter to OSU when she was 17 yrs old.
She stayed until she graduated with a Master's Degree at age 24.
Was happy as a clam at OSU and living in Columbus.

[irisblue]

4. I live in C-bus, have for almost 30 yrs

The city is great, but the surrounding counties can be iffy. The GOP-ers who run the state suck.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes and no I think.

Some of the outlying counties around Columbus are quite conservative.
But they are more gay friendly compared to other parts of Ohio.
Ohio State and the city of Columbus have had a big impact on surrounding areas.

My daughter and girlfriend are getting married soon, they live in an outlying conservative county
next to the C-bus, but we are having no problem with wedding vendors being anti-gay. In other parts of Ohio
we would have run into some problems.

And yes the GOPers who run the state suck bigly.

[bpj62]

11. Ohio University

My daughter finished her Masters last spring at Ohio University she loved her 5 years in Athens but she had absolutely no interest in staying in Ohio.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes I think Athens is quite conservative.

My daughter and her soon to be wife love Columbus, it is gay friendly as far as they have been concerned.
But they will never go back to small town Ohio.

That said, if Ohio gets worse in terms of anti-gay issues they have been talking about moving to Canada.

[True Blue American]

23. My Grandson graduated

From Ohio University this year. That College was his choice because of the Engineering School. He loved it. Is now working in AI, loves his work, too.

The family is Democrat. His Dad graduated from University of Dayton. His Mother, Ohio State.

Intel chose Southeastern Ohio because of the many Colleges there. Puts a different light on Ohio Colleges

[Irish_Dem]

31. Yes Ohio has so many good schools.

UD-OSU marriage. Happens all the time! Ha, kid goes to OU.

I am hoping the power of universities in Ohio can influence the politicians here.

I taught in more than one Ohio college setting (including UD) and we were never ever told what and how to teach.
Of course we adhered to professional and ethical standards, but no one dictated content.

I can tell everyone that PhDs are most certainly not going to like having uneducated politicians
bossing them around.

[True Blue American]

39. https://www.ohio.edu/engineering/

The reason Ohio is Republican now is because Republicans have gerrymandered illegally.

Cincinnati and Hamilton, plus Dayton are all Democratic. Where the jobs are they vote Democratic, the rural vote Republican. That is who voted for JD Vance.

[Irish_Dem]

46. Exactly. The GOP can only win by cheating now.

[True Blue American]

48. Little note here on Athens.

It is the number one city where people want to move to. Housing is reasonable and people can now work at home.

No more the rust belt state. It will become the new Silicon Valley, according to the CEO.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Gelsinger

[Irish_Dem]

49. Yes working from home is changing everything.

In a good way.

Columbus has a serious housing shortage and is going to have to catch up.

Some of the smaller communities still have affordable and available housing.

[True Blue American]

52. With Intel coming in it is going to

Hike housing prices. Intel alone is going to be the size of 17 football fields.

We can thank President Biden. The deal was not signed until he signed the CHIPS bill. And the CEO gave him full credit.

I have watched this state go from a state everyone wanted to go where the work is to the loss of 5 big factories. Now we are back to the state where inventions will be made again.

The first Wright brothers air plane factory burnt last night. It was being restored.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Yes housing is going to be a big problem for Intel.

Columbus has a serious housing shortage, low inventory.
Rents are high too.

Builders are going to have to start building like crazy.

Yes people used to flock to Ohio for work.
Biden is giving Ohio a big lifeline.

Oh I didn't hear about the Wright brothers factory.
Oh no....

[hippywife]

16. I lived in Columbus for 38 years...

from the time I was born, until I married and moved out of state, or else I'd still be there. Spent many years living close to OSU. Stayed close to that area, and it's so different, you'd never know there were rednecks in the state unless you actually went looking for them.

I left 26 years ago and I don't know if that is true anymore, since it seems the states are so internally divided than they were back then.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Yes OSU is still gay friendly.

OSU has about 100,000 students, faculty and employees.
It is the one of the largest employers in Columbus and has a big impact.

[hippywife]

29. OSU definitely made Cbus a better place to live and work. nt

[Irish_Dem]

34. After I retired I moved to C-Bus and lived just off OSU campus for two years.

I loved everything about it, the students, faculty, campus, stores, atmosphere.

One of my favorite spots in the entire world is the Krogers near campus.
Every time I shopped there I witnessed comedy, drama, human nature writ large.

[hippywife]

44. I didn't go to OSU and never lived right on campus...

mostly in the Clintonville area. But when I was really young, late teens/early 20s, campus was the place to be for bands and bars, so we hung out down there a lot (especially at the old Agora, sadly long gone.) So I've no doubt you've seen quite a bit.

Wish I were still living there a lot of the time.

[ThoughtCriminal]

5. Alabama will only care

if it affects the football teams.

[ok_cpu]

6. Ohio here w/a daughter ready for visits / choices

And can confirm this figures into the conversation. Can also confirm OSU and Columbus at-large are safe and welcoming for LGBTQ and diverse students.

Ohio is a lot of red, but Cleveland and Columbus are holding strong.

[Irish_Dem]

15. In the recent past OSU has spent a fortune on LGBTQ scholarships.

My daughter got quite a few scholarships from OSU based on her LGBT status.
(Four years tuition free undergrad and scholarships for grad school.)

She started a Diversity Club while she was in high school.
OSU gave her a 4 yr scholarship for doing that!

As I mentioned upthread, I am helping to plan the wedding for my daughter and her girlfriend
and we have had no problems with venders at all in Columbus.

My daughter and her soon to be wife both work in large workplace settings and there has
been no problem on the part of co-workers or employers.

[Lovie777]

7. Women's rights, et al........

also, education in these red states will be limited with facts, evidence, truths. The degraded history especially with POC's, and probably forced GQP's form of Christianity.

Science, math - dead.

etc.

At this point if a student want a well rounded education, red states is a no go.

[SCantiGOP]

8. You want to impact Texas and Florida?

Have a couple of top athletes, the kind that have huge impacts on college football and basketball programs, announce that they are eliminating schools in those two states because of their regressive political positions.

The impact of northern and California teams, which had black players, beating the traditional powerhouses (such as Kentucky in basketball and Alabama in football) in the 1960's quickened the pace of desegregating southern colleges.

[hippywife]

18. To some extent.

ORU (Oral Roberts University) in Tulsa built separate student housing for the Black student athletes so they wouldn't be living with their white students.

[ALBliberal]

30. Reminds me of UTEP and Bear Haskins

Winning the NCAA tournament when they incorporated African Americans into their program. I think there is a movie about it. Trail blazing.

[SCantiGOP]

36. 1966, and it was the first time

An all-black lineup had won the NCAA championship. Adolph Rupp, who had an all-white team at Kentucky, was a hardcore racist, but he saw the inevitable after that game. Within 3 years, every SEC school had a black athlete on scholarship.

[ALBliberal]

55. Thanks for that information. Living in Albuquerque

that’s all pretty close to our heart as UNM played UTEP when we were in the WAC and I believe Haskins was still coaching in the early 80s when we were in college.
Brave man.

[pinkstarburst]

9. Texas public universities

are not having trouble finding people to attend school there, at least not the major public universities. The 10% rule (requiring universities to automatically admit anyone in the top 10% of their high school class in Texas) has made it where freshman classes are packed with those students and other Texas students, who want in-state tuition, have to fight for a place even when they have excellent grades and test scores. They have in fact had to scale back and only let in the top 6% at some schools because automatic admissions were letting in so many students and they could admit hardly anyone else on a holistic evaluation of their application.

[SharonAnn]

12. My friend's daughter (Missouri resident) ruled out Missouri schools last year because of racism

And that was before all these anti-choice and gender issues.

She said she won't go to school or live in a state that supports this stuff.

[Jilly_in_VA]

19. I'm wondering

just how many female athletes (all sports) will rule out schools in red states.

[DFW]

20. My girls wanted to go to college in the USA

They ended up in California, Washington, DC, and New York. That was it, other than the younger one spending her last two years of high school in Hawai'i. I had recommended they also apply to Emory in Atlanta, but they didn't even bother to answer that one.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

21. California would be smart to offer academic placements to highly qualified students from Red states

And waive out-of-state tuition for those who can pass a test to prove that they are qualified. A 4.0 high school GPA from Arkansas or Florida isn't the same as one from New York or California. LGTBQ+ students from a Red state should get preferential status.

My folks moved to Arkansas because of Dad's federal job position. When I transferred from the Sacramento school district to a rural Arkansas school, other students said to me, and I quote: "Stop using so many 'big words' ". My reply? "It wasn't my fault, California schools made me that way." The looks I got...

[OMGWTF]

27. My son is USCG and currently stationed in VA with his family of three young kids.

He was just promoted and they're moving to the west coast. Their oldest, who is nine, may have to repeat a grade because the standards in VA are so far below the standards in WA.

In 1983 I moved from Seattle to Cleveland for a job. I joined a softball team and introduced myself by saying I was from Washington state. I will never forget a woman who then said to me, "There's a state of Washington?!?" I get that Cleveland is only a day's drive from Washington, DC, but that seemed really pathetic.

[barbtries]

43. that is actually pathetic.

i would consider finding out what your granddaughter will need to know to stay in her grade, and get her learned on that if at all possible.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

45. Karens are everywhere

Did a lightbulb glow over her head after you mentioned Seattle? That level of ignorance is astonishing, and yet not astonishing.

[Initech]

24. There's going to be a definite brain drain in the coming years.

Intelligent people will be leaving conservative states and moving to much more liberal ones, which will undoubtedly make the red states redder and the blue states bluer.

[murielm99]

28. Some years ago, when my daughter was in grad school

in Wisconsin, the state was going batshit conservative - Scottie Walker and all that. She and her roommates moved to other states as soon as they got their degrees.

[AllyCat]

33. Met with WI state senators and representatives this week.

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We talked about the brain drain.

And for the GOP legislators?—

THEY. DON’T. CARE.

[OMGWTF]

25. The shithole states.

[TeamProg]

26. It's not unreasonable to also consider that young men will go where the young women are going..

And that is NOT to wingnut Trumper states.

That's a double loss.

[True Blue American]

53. Funny!

[AllyCat]

32. We are in that boat with a kid looking at schools.

Trying to convince him of MN.

[murielm99]

35. Minnesota?

That is good. And it is liberal there. There are many fine public and private schools.

[AllyCat]

61. Minnesota! Wisconsin has hope on April 4th but

If Janet Protaseiwicz doesn’t win, our state is finished. Minnesota is lovely.

[DemUnleashed]

37. What...

What do you do when your kid has no choice?? My son is a senior in high school. He applied only to Florida state schools. That was BEFORE we knew how bad things were going to be with Florida universities. We are of color so that will make his college experience in a Florida university, even worse!!

I am so scared for him in the fall!

[barbtries]

42. stay engaged with him.

find out what it's like in the classroom, and if he's being fed a load of shit, provide the information yourself. Maybe he does well enough to transfer if that's what he wants. but at least he can get a college education; you can help be sure it's well rounded. sad that you have to be that proactive, but, yeah, FL is a fascist state until desantis is dethroned at least.

[DemUnleashed]

60. Can't...

Can't believe the bad timing for us. When he was applying in the fall, we never knew how bad it was going to get with DeSantis! And now we're stuck with no other options....too late to apply anywhere else. It sickens me!!!

Yes, we will keep ourselves engaged with him. And yes hopefully, he'll transfer

[jmowreader]

38. I can think of a more important reason to not choose to go to school in Idaho

Simply stated, our universities are not great.

We have four.

As one of my battalion commanders put it, the only thing you can learn to do at the University of Idaho is grow trees. Well…it’s not quite that bad, you can learn to grow beef too. And you can learn to make high explosives - an important skill in North Idaho, one of America’s primary sources of lead ore. But other than that and Boise State’s blue football field, we have completely average universities.

[Sky Jewels]

40. If you're a young college woman who gets pregnant in Idaho, your

life could be in danger. If you have an ectopic pregnancy, for example, you would be unlikely to have it resolved quickly. You might have to go to another state, and time is of the essence in those situations. Ob/gyn practitioners are few and far between in Idaho, and the ones that remain largely have their hands tied. So, for women, it's not an exaggeration to say that a decision to go to school in Idaho could have life and death implications. I'd say that's more important than school quality, even.

[jmowreader]

47. You'd be in a world of hurt at BYU-Idaho or Idaho State

Those are in the middle of the “foot” part of Idaho.

If you went to Boise State, they’d have to Life Flight you to Ontario. So…add $800 to the cost of your care.

University of Idaho? No problem. It’s only eight miles from Moscow to Pullman; an ambulance could get you there quickly.

That doesn’t change the fact you would be better off going to school ANYWHERE else.

[Sky Jewels]

51. All very true.

Idaho is downright terrifying. My husband has always wanted to go to visit Boise (we're in Oregon), but I told him that even though Boise is a semi-sane oasis amongst the fascists, the thought of setting foot in any part of that state made me feel slightly queasy and anxious -- not exactly what you look for in a vacation.

[barbtries]

41. not Florida?

I would make every effort to be sure my child did not choose a school in FL. not as long as desantis is ruling.

[Hekate]

50. It absolutely should be a consideration for girls. Even consecrated virgins can get raped & pregnant

And in a red state with no Morning After, Plan B, or mifepristone available or even legal, that young woman’s life is at risk.

[NowISeetheLight]

57. Tuition

I remember moving to CA in 9$ to attend junior college. I had to pay out of state tuition. It would be nice to see states like CA that are non-Taliban like offer in state tuition “grants” to students escaping Florida.