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(42,206 posts)calimary
(81,611 posts)For Heaven's Sake! Did anybody tell those parents that guns and little kids DO NOT MIX???
multigraincracker
(32,762 posts)gun are dangerous.
Maru Kitteh
(28,348 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)multigraincracker
(32,762 posts)never have a round chambered, only takes a second to rack a round. For a revolver, never set it down with the hammer resting on a chambered round. Those 2 rules would save hundreds of kids.
lame54
(35,359 posts)Coventina
(27,227 posts)The homeowner must feel so much safer, now.
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DENVERPOPS
(8,900 posts)Can someone out there explain how does a gun go off just being dropped?????? Doesn't the hammer have to be cocked, and someone pull the trigger for either single or double action?
Sorry, anyone that doesn't lock up their weapons up, especially away from kids especially should be charged with willful negligence.
ShazzieB
(16,674 posts)C Moon
(12,227 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Of course, there would have to be a round in battery for that happen.
And yes, anyone who stores a weapon in this manner with children around is beyond negligent.
jmowreader
(50,603 posts)Some guns won't fire if they're dropped. Glocks won't.
However...all guns contain a cartridge, which has the bullet, gunpowder and primer in a little brass container; a firing pin; a trigger; and some sort of spring loaded mechanism. When you pull the trigger the spring loaded mechanism hits the firing pin, which ignites the primer, which ignites the powder, which makes the bullet fly out the end of the barrel.
A gun that will fire when it's dropped is able to exert enough force on the primer without the spring-loaded mechanism hitting the firing pin to set it off.
C Moon
(12,227 posts)Straw Man
(6,628 posts)However...all guns contain a cartridge, which has the bullet, gunpowder and primer in a little brass container; a firing pin; a trigger; and some sort of spring loaded mechanism. When you pull the trigger the spring loaded mechanism hits the firing pin, which ignites the primer, which ignites the powder, which makes the bullet fly out the end of the barrel.
A gun that will fire when it's dropped is able to exert enough force on the primer without the spring-loaded mechanism hitting the firing pin to set it off.
Virtually all modern handguns will not fire when dropped. If they can, there is a design flaw, and they are recalled so that this can be corrected. This is what happened with the SIG P320 three years after its introduction in 2014. Note that it took three years for the problem to manifest itself; the pistol had to be struck from the rear at a precise angle to make it fire.
The mechanics of drop-safety (or the lack thereof) are somewhat complex, given the variety of firing mechanisms found on firearms in the past 100 years or so, and the correspondingly wide variety of safety mechanisms. The bottom line in all these tragedies is that something has caused the firing pin to hit the primer without the trigger being pulled.
The worst culprits for this were the old cowboy single-action revolvers (and some early replicas thereof), which could easily fire without the trigger if something struck the large, prominent external hammer hard enough. For this reason, it was (and still is) recommended to carry these with only five cartridges loaded (in your "six-shooter) so that the hammer rests on an empty chamber. All modern replicas have since added safety devices to these old designs to make this unnecessary, but earlier models are still out there. This could have been one of those.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Since the 1980s, all new handguns are drop safe, assuming the gun is not physically broken.
Sounds like the parents are lying to the cops about what actually happened.
Yes, you have to pull the trigger, intentionally or not, after turning off all the safeties.
When you see stories about the owner cleaning a gun and it "just went off", this is usually a case of the reporter being polite to the idiot owner and not saying that the owner pulled the trigger when he didn't want to.
Proper secured storage would have prevented this problem in the first place.
orleans
(34,105 posts)i want to feel sorry for the parents, but i'm also assuming it was one of them that left the unlocked gun on a fucking shelf with a toddler in the house
i feel sorry for the baby
and the bitch in me wonders if they have now learned their lesson so that they will be a bit more careful with their next toddler
...jesus!
AZ8theist
(5,542 posts)..is a good toddler with a gun.
THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS!!
Rhiannon12866
(206,974 posts)Good Grief, a horrific accident waiting to happen...
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Keep your shit locked up and empty! Keep the mag in a different place. Fucking moronic asshole gonna go to prison for life for being a shitty gun owner
iemanja
(53,137 posts)But that's just the price of freedumb.