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I'm close to the point of just giving up and moving to a safer country with proper health care. (Original Post) Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 OP
My wife and I have strongly considered this option. OrlandoDem2 May 2023 #1
Where are you looking at going? yardwork May 2023 #64
We like Spain. OrlandoDem2 May 2023 #91
Last one out is a rotten egg so start your planning early bucolic_frolic May 2023 #2
We've already looked at rural Italian property with Olive orchard. WarGamer May 2023 #3
Italy is run by a far-right government too Marius25 May 2023 #22
It's NOTHING like the USA... I like it. WarGamer May 2023 #25
What do you like about it? Marius25 May 2023 #28
Could be the lack of daily mass shootings. Mr.Bill May 2023 #29
But that's true of all European countries Marius25 May 2023 #30
It's a long story... WarGamer May 2023 #31
Interesting. We definitely don't agree on this Marius25 May 2023 #35
Have you been there? WarGamer May 2023 #37
Orban, lol... WarGamer May 2023 #39
No it isn't. That's literally what this thread is about. Marius25 May 2023 #41
I'd say the US has a long history of being... this way. WarGamer May 2023 #46
We are living amongst Dorian Gray May 2023 #62
Italy is far right and very racist..I lived there for 2 years. Oregon1947 May 2023 #81
That's YOUR experience, I have mine. WarGamer May 2023 #82
Mine is not an experience..its a fact. Oregon1947 May 2023 #83
Nope, old white dude. WarGamer May 2023 #88
I have three friends who moved to Panama and like it. Patterson May 2023 #4
My brother and I have looked into Panama. It's really appealing. Lochloosa May 2023 #7
It's appealing until a US RW gov't decides to invade it or sanction it Marcus IM May 2023 #15
And a murder rate Zeitghost May 2023 #42
Which country wants tons of Americans coming to use them? Marcus IM May 2023 #5
Most countries have income/financial asset requirements for residency visas Victor_c3 May 2023 #16
And waiting lists Marcus IM May 2023 #17
Well, the rate we're going, a lot of us might qualify soon! yardwork May 2023 #65
Health, too. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #26
Can you elaborate? keep_left May 2023 #59
Many countries will not allow you to immigrate if they determine any disability you have might put WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #60
Wow, I didn't know anything about this. keep_left May 2023 #75
Or deposit 25k in a Thai account... WarGamer May 2023 #27
Chaing Mai is wonderful except for 2-3 months Phoenix61 May 2023 #71
The North looks amazing... WarGamer May 2023 #72
Not A Lot NowISeetheLight May 2023 #55
I've Looked RobinA May 2023 #78
The only problem with that: most of the really desirable countries... keep_left May 2023 #6
My guess is that it'll be majority white? Kaleva May 2023 #8
Like Costa Rica? Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #9
Is Costa Rica your pick? Kaleva May 2023 #21
Odd, because when people look for peaceful parts of the world how could the miss the ME? Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #24
Oman is very peaceful Kaleva May 2023 #44
Can't drink Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #47
Not true Kaleva May 2023 #50
I wouldn't want to live in theocracy of any kind. Plus the idea od having to get Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #51
If booze is more important then safety, then Oman is out Kaleva May 2023 #52
Theocracy is more important. I was being glib, sorry. Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #54
In the top ten. Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #32
What are the other nine? Kaleva May 2023 #40
Places I have considered... Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #53
Good list! Kaleva May 2023 #56
Jamaica? EX500rider May 2023 #86
Are you suggesting that a country would have to be "majority white" to be good place to live? TomSlick May 2023 #12
I'm not moving. I'm referring to those who have said they might Kaleva May 2023 #23
And yet the question remains. TomSlick May 2023 #57
Look at the populations of the nations often mentioned Kaleva May 2023 #66
I don't think primarily "English speaking" is an unreasonable criteria meadowlander May 2023 #73
English is common in many parts of the world Kaleva May 2023 #77
I am staying, if for no other reason to be a pain in MAGA's ass. Chainfire May 2023 #10
+1000 Marcus IM May 2023 #13
Word. mahina May 2023 #14
I agree, I would actually like to buy a house in a red state like North Carolina JI7 May 2023 #34
Come to North Carolina! yardwork May 2023 #67
Would if I could, but I can't, so I won't Lettuce Be May 2023 #11
And yet ABC polling has Trump up +7 over Biden Marius25 May 2023 #19
I agree. I want to move to another country. Marius25 May 2023 #18
I don't blame you. It feels like the wheels are spinning off the US. No idea anymore what the RKP5637 May 2023 #20
Understandable. SYFROYH May 2023 #33
Panama, you can even drive back if it Baked Potato May 2023 #36
If one is looking for more safety from crime and violence Zeitghost May 2023 #43
I will never permanently leave America, my country. Baked Potato May 2023 #61
I get it Zeitghost May 2023 #76
Costa Rica is actually really safe. Elessar Zappa May 2023 #80
Yeah, no on CR EX500rider May 2023 #87
I mean LOL how ridiculous +1000 GuppyGal May 2023 #68
Golden Visas PJMcK May 2023 #38
I have dual citizenship and both my sons live in Europe Mr. Ected May 2023 #45
Been Looking NowISeetheLight May 2023 #48
I just CANNOT even think of this bluestarone May 2023 #49
what options do you have? treestar May 2023 #58
Depending on where you live it might happen here. roamer65 May 2023 #63
Well what are you waiting for...you should be packing. nt GuppyGal May 2023 #69
That reminds me of the "love it or leave it' rhetoric I used to hear... Tom Yossarian Joad May 2023 #70
I've looked at Belize MySideOfTown May 2023 #74
good luck finding a country that will take you WhiteTara May 2023 #79
This budkin May 2023 #89
My wife and I had actual job offers when we were young... hunter May 2023 #84
Based on what admissions process? brooklynite May 2023 #85
What's "proper?" DFW May 2023 #90

bucolic_frolic

(43,293 posts)
2. Last one out is a rotten egg so start your planning early
Sun May 7, 2023, 04:56 PM
May 2023

and find an ex-pat American community, though many of them will be well-off right wingers

Mr.Bill

(24,325 posts)
29. Could be the lack of daily mass shootings.
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:03 PM
May 2023

It's getting to the point here where not much else matters, and at age 69, I doubt the problem will be solved in my lifetime. And it's quite likely to get worse.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
30. But that's true of all European countries
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:04 PM
May 2023

Not sure why picking the one with a far-right government with fascist ties is the best choice.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
31. It's a long story...
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:06 PM
May 2023

To summarize, over the last 20 years I've spent probably 5 years overseas, from China to Europe to Africa.

I'm also a HUGE history buff... particularly Roman history and Carolingian history before that...

But I wouldn't want to live in Rome...

So the rural parts of Italy offer what I'm looking for. Climate, pace of life, fresh local food and charming natives...

I'll give honorable mention to Czechia, Hungary, the Baltics and maybe... Croatia.

If I won the lotto, I'd add a 2nd or 3rd place in Dubai, it's the most awe inspiring city on the planet, IMHO. It's like being in some futuristic movie. Oh.. and it's really safe.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
35. Interesting. We definitely don't agree on this
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:25 PM
May 2023

I think Dubai is one of the most soulless, evil cities on Earth. A fake city for the rich built on the backs of slaves. They also hate LGBTQ people there.

And Hungary is an authoritarian country. Republicans just held CPAC there and Orban said liberals are a poison on the West.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
37. Have you been there?
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:27 PM
May 2023

I've spent weeks there...

Just respect their culture and all is good. And they've loosened up rules and laws recently... even unmarried couples are free to share hotel rooms now.

There is no homogeneous world culture or set of beliefs.

And I don't judge 1000 years of history on a leader in 2023... or the 1930's...

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
39. Orban, lol...
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:30 PM
May 2023

The front door of my Budapest AirBNB was probably older than Orban's grandparents.

It's silly to judge a country by a transitory government or movement.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
41. No it isn't. That's literally what this thread is about.
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:31 PM
May 2023

Leaving the US because Republicans are evil and won't do anything to make things better.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
46. I'd say the US has a long history of being... this way.
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:38 PM
May 2023

Orban could literally be out of power within a couple years... last time I was there was pre-Orban.

My situation would allow me to live somewhere without any gov't assistance including healthcare... so I just judge on how the places make me feel.

I find the Estonians and Latvians charming... I spent a week on Saaremaa, wandered around the castle at Kuressaare.

But the winters are cold.

Dorian Gray

(13,501 posts)
62. We are living amongst
Sun May 7, 2023, 09:58 PM
May 2023

hundreds of mass shootings. That doesn't exist in any of the other countries, even if they have leaders we don't agree with.

I would move to italy in a heartbeat right now. Without a doubt. (Though I wouldn't move to dubai. There is a ton of corruption there, and the lifestyle doesn't benefit women.)

I've lived in China. While I wouldn't want to move back there right now, either, it would feel a ton safer than the majority of the usa.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
88. Nope, old white dude.
Tue May 9, 2023, 12:08 AM
May 2023

I traveled a lot over the last 20 years for work... spent more or less time in lots of spots.

Marcus IM

(2,228 posts)
15. It's appealing until a US RW gov't decides to invade it or sanction it
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:21 PM
May 2023

Then, it becomes something different.

The Monroe Doctrine is still in-play.

Marcus IM

(2,228 posts)
5. Which country wants tons of Americans coming to use them?
Sun May 7, 2023, 04:59 PM
May 2023

I mean, I wouldn't be too happy about Americans who can't seem to fix their own country coming to use the infrastructures that citizens worked long and hard to accomplish and pay for.

Kinda like bandwagon jumping sports fans.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
16. Most countries have income/financial asset requirements for residency visas
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:37 PM
May 2023

On a whim, I’ve looked into it. The idea is that you have solid enough financials that you’d be a contributor to their system and not a strain.

For instance, I believe a couple of years ago Thailand requires you show a monthly income of about $2,000 a month in order to secure a residency visa there.

Marcus IM

(2,228 posts)
17. And waiting lists
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:42 PM
May 2023

For Americans who are not married to a Canadian, there's a 10+ year waiting line to Canada. Unless you are being persecuted in a way recognized by Canada as political asylum.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,436 posts)
60. Many countries will not allow you to immigrate if they determine any disability you have might put
Sun May 7, 2023, 08:43 PM
May 2023

too much of a burden on their healthcare system.

Canada:

We may refuse your application if we believe that your health condition might cause an excessive demand on health or social services. This decision is based on the results of your immigration medical exam.

Your condition is considered to cause an excessive demand if:

the health or social services needed to treat your health condition would negatively affect wait times for services in Canada, or
the services needed to treat and manage your health condition would likely cost more than the excessive demand cost threshold

Excessive demand cost threshold: 2023 cost threshold

$128,445 over 5 years (or $25,689 per year)

This is an amount that we use to decide if the cost of your condition places an excessive demand on Canada’s health and social services.


New Zealand:

A4.10.1 Medical conditions deemed to impose significant costs and/or demands on New Zealand's health and/or education services

HIV infection
Hepatitis B-surface antigen positive and meeting criteria for anti-viral treatment in New Zealand
Hepatitis C-RNA positive and meeting criteria for anti-viral treatment in New Zealand
Malignancies of organs, skin (such as melanoma) and haematopoietic tissue, including past history of, or currently under treatment. Exceptions are:
treated minor skin malignancies
malignancies where the interval since treatment is such that the probability of recurrence is less than 10 percent

Requirement for organ transplants (with the exclusion of corneal grafts), or following organ transplant when immune suppression is required (with the exclusion of corneal grafts)
Severe, chronic or progressive renal or hepatic disorders
Musculoskeletal diseases or disorders such as osteoarthritis with a high probability of surgery in the next five years
Severe, chronic or progressive neurological disorders, including but not exclusive to:

any dementia including Alzheimer's disease
poorly controlled epilepsy
complex seizure disorder
cerebrovascular disease
cerebral palsy
paraplegia, quadriplegia
poliomyelitis
Parkinson’s disease
motor neurone disease, Huntington’s disease, muscular dystrophy
prion disease
relapsing and/or progressive multiple sclerosis

Cardiac diseases, including but not exclusive to:

severe ischaemic heart disease
cardiomyopathy
valve disease with a high probability of surgical and/or other procedural intervention in the next five years
aortic aneurysm with a high probability of surgical and/or other procedural intervention in the next five years

Chronic respiratory disease, including but not exclusive to:

severe and/or progressive restrictive (including interstitial) lung disease
severe and/or progressive obstructive lung disease
cystic fibrosis

Significant or disabling hereditary disorders, including but not exclusive to:

hereditary anaemias and coagulation disorders
primary immuno-deficiencies
Gaucher’s disease

Severe autoimmune disease which may require treatment in New Zealand with immune-suppressant medications other than Prednisone, Methotrexate, Azathioprine or Salazopyrin
Severe (71-90 decibels) hearing loss or profound bilateral sensori-neural hearing loss after best possible correction at country of origin, where significant support is required, including cochlear implants
Severe vision impairment with visual acuity of 6/36 or beyond after best possible correction at country of origin, or a loss restricting the field of vision to 15-20 degrees where significant support is required
Severe developmental disorders or severe cognitive impairments where significant support is required, including but not exclusive to:

physical disability
intellectual disability
autistic spectrum disorders
brain injury

Major psychiatric illness and/or addiction including any psychiatric condition that has required hospitalisation and/or where significant support is required
Those with a history, diagnostic findings or treatment for MDR-TB or XDR-TB, unless they have been cleared by a New Zealand Respiratory or Infectious Diseases specialist upon review of their file or review of the applicant according to the New Zealand Guidelines for Tuberculosis Treatment


Australia:

Australia enjoys some of the best health standards in the world. To maintain these standards, most visa applicants must meet minimum health standards before we will grant them a visa. We call this 'meeting the health requirement'. We might assess your health as part of the visa application process.

When determining if you meet the health requirement, a Medical Officer of the Commonwealth (MOC) considers whether you have a health condition that will be a significant cost to the Australian community in terms of the health care or community services required to manage your condition.

We use per capita data about health and community service costs to work out what your condition is likely to cost over a period of time:

for temporary visa applicants, this is your period of stay
for permanent visa applicants this is generally 5 years, or 3 years if you are aged 75 or older

If you have a permanent or ongoing condition with a reasonably predictable course, the MOC will estimate what your condition will cost the community over your remaining life expectancy up to a maximum of 10 years.

Having a disease or health condition does not always mean you will not meet the health requirement due to significant costs. The likely costs will depend on what kind of disease or condition you have and how severe it is.

We will not grant you a visa if you do not meet the health requirement because your condition is likely to be a significant cost, unless a health waiver is available and exercised.

We regard costs of AUD 51,000 or more to be significant.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
27. Or deposit 25k in a Thai account...
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:57 PM
May 2023

Then they don't require income verification at all.

Keep 25k in there... stay as long as you want.

The weather chases me away...

Having said that... I've never been up North around Chiang Rai which is supposed to be gorgeous.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
71. Chaing Mai is wonderful except for 2-3 months
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:54 PM
May 2023

during the burning season. They start burning off the fields for spring planting when the rainy season ends late Feb-early March through May-June. Between that and accidental and intentional forest fires it really, really sucks.
I want to go back and also check out Pai.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
55. Not A Lot
Sun May 7, 2023, 07:01 PM
May 2023

$2k isn’t a lot. I’ve been to SE Asia before. I’d look at it. The big question is would Christianistan America keep paying my VA disability and SSDI being a sinner gay person who fled totalitarianism?

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
78. I've Looked
Mon May 8, 2023, 09:20 AM
May 2023

into it to, and pretty much anywhere I'd want to go has some pretty strict rules. I have no desire to go to either Central or South America. That's just trading one set of problems for another.

keep_left

(1,792 posts)
6. The only problem with that: most of the really desirable countries...
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:04 PM
May 2023

...already started closing their doors to foreigners a long time ago. But you probably already knew that. Still, I know that Jesse Ventura moved to Mexico (Baja, I think). And the writer and historian Morris Berman (Why America Failed) also lives in Mexico. Both of them are pretty happy with their choices.

Whatever you do, please maintain your US citizenship and continue to vote! Most of us won't be able to escape.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
8. My guess is that it'll be majority white?
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:08 PM
May 2023

Any nation in Africa, the Middle East, most of Asia and South America is off the list

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
21. Is Costa Rica your pick?
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:45 PM
May 2023

When I read posts here where members talk about moving, the nations chosen are usually in Europe and some pick Canada. To date, I haven't seen one pick a nation in Africa or the Middle East.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
44. Oman is very peaceful
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:35 PM
May 2023

"The Sultanate of Oman has been rated the fourth most secure country in the world. Oman also occupies the 5th global position as a crime-free country, according to the Global Database Index (Numbeo). Oman received 80.3 points in the security level and 19.7 points in scale measuring the spread of crime."

https://timesofoman.com/article/125597-oman-named-one-of-the-worlds-safest-countries#:~:text=The%20Sultanate%20of%20Oman%20has,measuring%20the%20spread%20of%20crime.


Fir those concerned about safety, Oman should be in serious consideration but it's never mentioned.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
50. Not true
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:46 PM
May 2023

You can get a license to drink in your own home or you can go to venues like hotels or restaurants that are licensed to serve to non-mulims.

Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,231 posts)
51. I wouldn't want to live in theocracy of any kind. Plus the idea od having to get
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:51 PM
May 2023

a license to have a bottle of wine in your home?

Not appealing to me.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
40. What are the other nine?
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:31 PM
May 2023

I'd have to double check but I believe Costa Rica will be hard hit by climate change.

Personally, I think Costa Rica would be a good choice.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
23. I'm not moving. I'm referring to those who have said they might
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:47 PM
May 2023

The choice is often Canada or a nation in Europe.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
66. Look at the populations of the nations often mentioned
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:08 PM
May 2023

Japan is an advanced Western nation with low crime but I haven't seen any list it as a possible destination .

I have yet to see a single African nation mentioned even though several African nations have a better global peace index score then the US dies

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world/

meadowlander

(4,406 posts)
73. I don't think primarily "English speaking" is an unreasonable criteria
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:18 AM
May 2023

particularly for people at an age where attaining fluency in a new language is a significant factor in their employability.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
77. English is common in many parts of the world
Mon May 8, 2023, 04:15 AM
May 2023

I had two siblings who lived and worked in the UAE for years. They had no trouble knowing only English.

Chainfire

(17,643 posts)
10. I am staying, if for no other reason to be a pain in MAGA's ass.
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:09 PM
May 2023

My family has been here for 283 years, I am not going to let a bunch of stupid rednecks run me off. If forced to choose between being a hammer and a nail, I will be a hammer.

Marcus IM

(2,228 posts)
13. +1000
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:19 PM
May 2023

Cutting and running isn't an option.

Unless one is a cowardly RW Cuban "exile" looking to leach off of the special socialized programs the US created just for them.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
34. I agree, I would actually like to buy a house in a red state like North Carolina
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:18 PM
May 2023

and register to vote there while still getting income from current blue state if I can figure out how.

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
67. Come to North Carolina!
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:11 PM
May 2023

There are deep blue communities here, the weather is pretty good year-round, we have mountains, ocean, forests, lots of diversity in plants and animals and people.

We have a little problem with gerrymandering and a right-wing coup so we need all the Democratic votes we can get!

Lettuce Be

(2,337 posts)
11. Would if I could, but I can't, so I won't
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:13 PM
May 2023

Been a long time since I've had occasion to say that. I cannot see things improving for quite some time, but they will improve. There is no way the goons will win. Meanwhile, some members of Congress seem hellbent on trying to destroy this country, all to own the libs.

Fighting abortion on one hand and allowing open slaughter on the other is not a good look.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
19. And yet ABC polling has Trump up +7 over Biden
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:44 PM
May 2023

Abortion and open slaughter take a backseat to the economy for most people.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
18. I agree. I want to move to another country.
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:43 PM
May 2023

I just don't have any good options since my job doesn't transfer overseas and I'm not sure what to pursue to make it easier.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
20. I don't blame you. It feels like the wheels are spinning off the US. No idea anymore what the
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:44 PM
May 2023

future holds.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
61. I will never permanently leave America, my country.
Sun May 7, 2023, 08:57 PM
May 2023

I was just lipping in with an option.

Panama has a Pensioner Visa which is a very attractive option for those wanting to “get away.”

Zeitghost

(3,869 posts)
76. I get it
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:09 AM
May 2023

I enjoy traveling to Central America, I'm actually on vacation in Mexico and feel completely safe. But I also understand just about everywhere south of the border has more violence. The squad of M-16 toting soldiers out tonight on the Malecon tonight was a reminder of that.

PJMcK

(22,050 posts)
38. Golden Visas
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:29 PM
May 2023

Spain and Portugal, among other countries, offer the Golden visa. If you buy a home you can be fast-tracked for citizenship.

There are more details, of course, but my wife and I have discussed this possibility.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
45. I have dual citizenship and both my sons live in Europe
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:37 PM
May 2023

My wife and I planned to split our time between here and there in retirement, but if the US continues this dangerous veering off course, it may end up being a whole lot less here and more there.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
48. Been Looking
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:43 PM
May 2023

I’ll admit I’ve been looking at how to emigrate to one of the Scandinavian countries. My grandparents emigrated thru Ellis Island and settled in Northern Minnesota. They were beyond “dirt poor” farmers. I’ve been looking on Ancestry.com and working on a genealogy tree. I’ve tracked a lot of relatives back to Scandinavia. Looking at my country of choice I’d have to move there with a residence permit for five years. My income is stable with VA disability and SSDI. I’ll admit I’ve considered it. I see America headed to a Constitutional Convention where they’ve gerrymandered the way to becoming Christianistan. They’ll change the Constitution. That’ll be it.

bluestarone

(17,043 posts)
49. I just CANNOT even think of this
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:46 PM
May 2023

My country IS worth fighting for. I refuse to just let these EVIL BASTARDS take it away.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
63. Depending on where you live it might happen here.
Sun May 7, 2023, 09:58 PM
May 2023

Would not surprise me to see blue states set up a single payor health insurance consortium in a few years, then hold talks with Canada to harmonize it with their system.

The would increase the risk pool size and provide better benefits.

Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,231 posts)
70. That reminds me of the "love it or leave it' rhetoric I used to hear...
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:34 PM
May 2023

I have the money but I'm in ill health at the moment. Waiting to see if it improves.

MySideOfTown

(225 posts)
74. I've looked at Belize
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:40 AM
May 2023

English is their language.

You have to deposit $25K in one of their banks.

That's about it.

You can collect all your SSA benefits.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
84. My wife and I had actual job offers when we were young...
Mon May 8, 2023, 10:53 PM
May 2023

... New Zealand, Canada, etc., with easy paths to citizenship.

We stayed because those jobs were a long way from California where our parents and most of our siblings lived.

Years later we started to get slammed around by the kind of medical problems that randomly fall out of the sky, resulting in $100,000 medical bills that supposedly good insurance only partially covers. My wife ran one COBRA to the bitter end. There was no way we could have paid for her chemo ourselves, but fortunately she was accepted to our state's high risk insurance pool just days before her next treatment was due. It all worked out, the medicine worked, but it nearly bankrupt us.

The United States is not a civilized nation. Our "health care system" is an incredibly stressful thing to navigate. I think many very ill people, those who don't have strong advocates, simply give up and die. It almost feels as if the system is designed that way.

The situation with mental health care is even worse.

Obamacare improved the situation, but I believe the Deplorables, the Social Darwinists, and certain Christians are holding us back from further progress. The deplorable don't want "their" taxes paying for the medical care of people they hate, people they hate for racist, religious, or political reasons. The Social Darwinist don't want to "waste" money on people who are not "productive" by their evil standards. Certain Christians believe you wouldn't be sick if their cruel and capricious god favored you, or maybe that he's giving you some kind of test to make you stronger or purify your soul for heaven should you die. These Christians also love to wash themselves of their sins (and sometimes enrich themselves) with their charity. Damn them all.

Many nations have better health care systems than we do. To civilize and improve the U.S.A. health care system we have many proven systems from around the world to choose from. But maybe that's another thing that stands in the way of progress -- U.S. American Exceptionalism, the belief that somehow we're different than the rest of the world in some special way. God Bless America.

brooklynite

(94,735 posts)
85. Based on what admissions process?
Mon May 8, 2023, 11:14 PM
May 2023

As much as you may feel oppressed, you're not a refugee, and most Countries you're likely thinking of won't let you move permanently or would require a major investment.

DFW

(54,437 posts)
90. What's "proper?"
Tue May 9, 2023, 03:45 AM
May 2023

Germany, for example, has a patchwork quilt style of health care insurance that boils down to "First Class" and "Coach Class," where the distribution is about 10% (first) to 90% (coach).

First is "Privat," which means you pay up front and submit your bills to the insurance company afterward, and hope to get reimbursed. Some things, they will, but you're at their mercy. When I moved to Germany, I got quoted €30,000 a year for that, or about $33,000 at today's exchange rate. I don't qualify for the other, as I am not a German citizen and I don't work for a German employer. My wife was eligible for German Medicare when she hit 65, but I had to jump in to pay her medical insurance between the time she took early retirement at age 60 and the day she turned 65. She wasn't covered otherwise, and that was somewhere around €550 a month. The good part is that what I was paying for DID cover everything, which mattered a lot when she was diagnosed with her second round of cancer at age 64, and spent nearly two months in specialized hospital. I just rely on my Blue Cross back in Texas, which is to say, I have practically no medical insurance at all. If I'm diagnosed with something serious that doesn't have to be treated instantly, I'll have to fly back to Dallas to hope to be covered.

While it is true that you CAN live in some countries without learning the language, you condemn yourself to being a cultural exile, unable to be a part of the daily social life where you are. Even if you move to Hungary or Japan or Sweden, you need to speak the local language to really fit in. Believe me, I've done it. It's pretty much the same thing as trying to live in the USA if all you can speak is Hungarian, Japanese or Swedish. Not quite as bad, but you ARE limited. Swedish is easy to learn. I went from zero to near-fluent in a year, and that was from taking only three hours a week in college. I mean REALLY easy to learn. Japanese and Hungarian, being non-European languages (from a lingustic point of view--I know full well where Hungary is) are extremely complicated.

I guess it's safer here. The rules are different. Theft is not considered a crime in Germany. If you have been robbed, and tell the cops the thief didn't use a gun, the response will be something like, "so what are you bothering us for?"

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