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applegrove

(118,965 posts)
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:34 PM May 2023

Texas Mass Shooter Was a Neo-Nazi

Texas Mass Shooter Was a Neo-Nazi

May 7, 2023 at 7:39 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 239 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/07/texas-mass-shooter-was-a-neo-nazi/

"SNIP.........

“The suspected mass shooter who killed at least eight people at an Allen, Texas mall on Saturday frequently posted pro-white supremacist and neo-Nazi materials on social media,” Rolling Stone reports.

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Texas Mass Shooter Was a Neo-Nazi (Original Post) applegrove May 2023 OP
why did he kill mostly white? BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 #1
Motive could be anger that others have wives/families. NutmegYankee May 2023 #3
Good guess, the article also said he claimed to be an incel Warpy May 2023 #15
So why was he not white himself? Polybius May 2023 #16
He was white... W_HAMILTON May 2023 #20
Neo-nazism has evolved from Northern European to all European. NutmegYankee May 2023 #28
Why did the Nazis? Effete Snob May 2023 #10
Who said they were mostly white? sarcoux May 2023 #17
they just identified one victim. She was Indian BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 #21
So if they just started identifying victims, how can you claim that he killed "mostly white?" W_HAMILTON May 2023 #22
i was asking BEFORE they identified people. From that graphic photo with victims on ground BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 #23
why did you believe they were mostly white? sarcoux May 2023 #25
The Picture RobinA May 2023 #27
You saw wrong then. The victims that have been identified so far: W_HAMILTON May 2023 #33
Because he's an asshole. Act_of_Reparation May 2023 #19
Why do you think that's true? What's your source? Nevilledog May 2023 #34
id wish the media would drop the suffix neo as neo AllaN01Bear May 2023 #2
No fixation on a mythical German race, now European in general. nt NutmegYankee May 2023 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell May 2023 #5
A German Nazi from the 1930s would regard both as "Untermenschen" DBoon May 2023 #6
agree debm55 May 2023 #12
I don't think the Proud Boys are explicitly white supremists RussBLib May 2023 #7
SPLC says differently Nevilledog May 2023 #35
Thanks. I certainly do respect their opinions. RussBLib May 2023 #36
I follow a bunch of SPLC people on Twitter so they've become a go-to for me. Nevilledog May 2023 #37
Spain and Portugal are part of Europe. nt NutmegYankee May 2023 #9
Yes, I'm aware of that. whathehell May 2023 #18
Many "Hispanics" consider themselves white. Spain is in Europe, after all. haele May 2023 #30
Yes, I know that. whathehell May 2023 #31
As Jew, they are neo -Nazi or Fascist. Just my preference for those who want to be like the Nazi. debm55 May 2023 #11
Because most tend to confine the definition to those who were Abolishinist May 2023 #14
It's an actual movement Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #29
He sounds like a Pinochet lover. roamer65 May 2023 #8
South American countries(included Brazil that took in many Nazi to hide from their evil deeds. debm55 May 2023 #13
Please remind everyone malaise May 2023 #24
No longer standing back and standing by Johnny2X2X May 2023 #26
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #32

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
3. Motive could be anger that others have wives/families.
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:39 PM
May 2023

He was an incel POS. There are many possible motives for such an oxygen thief.

Warpy

(111,480 posts)
15. Good guess, the article also said he claimed to be an incel
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:28 AM
May 2023

Pro tip, guys, when you despise women, it shows. Oh, man, it shows really badly.

No woman has owed you a single thing since you were weaned.

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
28. Neo-nazism has evolved from Northern European to all European.
Mon May 8, 2023, 10:18 AM
May 2023

Not all groups in the ideology did this, but a majority of them. So Hispanics, Italian, and Greeks would fall under their definition of white.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,202 posts)
23. i was asking BEFORE they identified people. From that graphic photo with victims on ground
Mon May 8, 2023, 04:44 AM
May 2023

I thought they were all white. I was wrong.

RobinA

(9,911 posts)
27. The Picture
Mon May 8, 2023, 08:41 AM
May 2023

of the pile of bodies I saw showed them to be pretty white. At least as white as he was.

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
33. You saw wrong then. The victims that have been identified so far:
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:00 PM
May 2023


Of the victims that have been named so far, one looks to be white (he was a security guard that was working at the mall during the shooting).

One is of Indian descent.

Three are of Korean descent.

Nevilledog

(51,318 posts)
34. Why do you think that's true? What's your source?
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:08 PM
May 2023


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Texas State Sen. Roland Gutierrez (D) claims Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) told “his top cop ... ’Don’t tell people that the people that died in Allen, Texas, were mostly minorities ... ‘cause I’m gonna go down to the border and blame Biden for some bullshit that’s not existent.’”


9:14 AM · May 8, 2023


Three of the victims were a Korean-American family. Their 5 yo is the only one to survive, still in the hospital.

AllaN01Bear

(18,872 posts)
2. id wish the media would drop the suffix neo as neo
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:37 PM
May 2023

means like or new. how do new nazis differ from the old ones .?

Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #4)

DBoon

(22,431 posts)
6. A German Nazi from the 1930s would regard both as "Untermenschen"
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:58 PM
May 2023

They would be treated as slaves at best and would certainly not be allowed into the Nazi Party

RussBLib

(9,063 posts)
7. I don't think the Proud Boys are explicitly white supremists
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:59 PM
May 2023

They are out and out fascists and domestic terrorists. And plenty of Hispanics are anti-immigration for new hispanics. They seem to feel like they are here and that's enough. Pull up the ladder. Close the border.

from Wiki
Ideology
Anti-communism[1]
Anti-feminism[1]
Anti-immigration[1]
Anti-LGBT rights[1]
Antisemitism[1][2]
Authoritarianism[1][3]
Chauvinism[1]
Crypto-fascism[1]
Islamophobia[1]
Trumpism[1]

The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right neo-fascist organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States.[1][10][11] The group's leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the US government, including the constitutionally prescribed transfer of presidential power.[12] It has been called a street gang[13][14] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada[15][16] and New Zealand.[9] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and for their support for former U.S. President Donald Trump.[1][11]

The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine in 2016 under the leadership of Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes,[1] taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 Disney musical Aladdin.[17] Although the Proud Boys initially emerged as part of the alt-right,[1] McInnes distanced himself from this movement in early 2017, saying the Proud Boys were alt-lite while the alt-right's focus was on race.[18] Donald Trump's comment, "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by," during the October 2020 presidential debate, was credited with greatly increasing interest and recruitment.[19] After Trump's remark caused an outcry for its seeming endorsement of a violent far-right group, Trump condemned the Proud Boys by name while saying that he did not "know much about" the organization.[20][21]

According to Samantha Kutner of the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism, the group believes men and Western culture are under siege. Although the group officially rejects white supremacy, Kutner believes that "Western chauvinism" is a code or euphemism for the White genocide conspiracy theory.[22] Furthermore, members have in the past participated in overtly racist events and events centered around fascist, anti-left, and anti-socialist violence.[22] The Proud Boys glorify violence, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has called the group an "alt-right fight club" and a hate group that uses rhetorical devices to obscure its actual motives.[11][23][24][25] The organization has been described as a hate group by NPR's The Takeaway and the SPLC.[26] The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has described the Proud Boys as "extremist conservative" and "alt lite", "overtly Islamophobic and misogynistic", "transphobic and anti-immigration", "all too willing to embrace racists, antisemites and bigots of all kinds", and notes the group's promotion and use of violence as a core tactic.[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

haele

(12,702 posts)
30. Many "Hispanics" consider themselves white. Spain is in Europe, after all.
Mon May 8, 2023, 10:37 AM
May 2023

In the states affected by the Treaty of Guadeloupe, there are people with Hispanic names and surnames who have very little Native Central American/Native American heritage in their background. That's why there's a Census category of Hispanic -White.
Early Spanish/Mexican colonial culture had a fairly strict caste system.
It's very plausible this guy was a fifth/sixth generation Tejano and despite his name, had not an ounce of "Hispanic"culture or identity in him.

Haele

debm55

(25,785 posts)
11. As Jew, they are neo -Nazi or Fascist. Just my preference for those who want to be like the Nazi.
Sun May 7, 2023, 11:55 PM
May 2023

JMO personal opinion.

Abolishinist

(1,331 posts)
14. Because most tend to confine the definition to those who were
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:00 AM
May 2023

members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,011 posts)
29. It's an actual movement
Mon May 8, 2023, 10:21 AM
May 2023

and what is used to describe post WWII movements. They aren't Nazis because they aren't from Germany and a member of that party. But they have similar goals and methods. Hence Neo (new) Nazis.

If you research Neo Nazis, you will find out the differences.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
8. He sounds like a Pinochet lover.
Sun May 7, 2023, 11:04 PM
May 2023

The world has certainly had its share of Latin and South American fascists.

Pinochet, Peron, Batista, Somoza, Fujimori, etc, etc.

debm55

(25,785 posts)
13. South American countries(included Brazil that took in many Nazi to hide from their evil deeds.
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:00 AM
May 2023

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Johnny2X2X

(19,311 posts)
26. No longer standing back and standing by
Mon May 8, 2023, 08:10 AM
May 2023

Trump is a near god like figure to them, they worship him and he is their inspiration to hate.

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