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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI remember that for a time I was a big supporter of John Edwards until...
I found out of his infidelities and treatment of his infirm wife.
I then dropped him like a bad habit and moved on which is what one might expect of any thinking American voter.
So what the fuck is it with Trump supporters???
Are they just without morals? Are they stupid? Are they so brainwashed that they vote against their own ideals?
Or is it that they are just so filled with hate of anything non-WASP that they will support anything that might lend credence to their hate and prejudice?
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CTyankee
(66,132 posts)I did also like his politics but all that just fades away now that I think about his horrible behavior.
Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,275 posts)
slightlv
(5,460 posts)I loved his policy ideas; his "two Americas" concept. I loved the way he presented his ideas, and felt he could have been a good statesman, in the old style. And he WAS handsome! A good package, all the way around, and then it all came crashing down. You can't have a good package on the outside when you're that morally corrupt on the inside. (sigh)
I'm glad we weeded him out before it got further down the process line, but still... I wish he'd have weeded himself out of the process before it got to the point it did. Talk about frustrating and disillusioning! He had the charisma, policy, etc. to have been elected and possibly have been good in office. But he was power tripping on women. On what else would he power trip? At that point, there's already no trust. No honor. And I really liked his wife, to boot!
electric_blue68
(21,287 posts)I loved the whole "two Americas" comparison.
His poor wife! Yeah, I liked her, too.
Tetrachloride
(8,694 posts)and
I was wondering why there were not enough Dems of presidential “ability “ including charisma.
(Now we have a bunch: senators, governors)
EndlessWire
(7,766 posts)there was a study done that demonstrated that the male candidate with the best looking head of hair usually won. I kid you not.
LT Barclay
(2,922 posts)and Dennis Kucinich.
Sad voters aren’t more mature.
electric_blue68
(21,287 posts)I googled clinton/gore '92 buttons (also added the signature phrase in a separate search) but couldn't find it.
While I was at Clinton's first Inauguration I saw a button -
Clinton/Gore '92 black background, 3/4 B&W photo of each...
then
(I don't remember which line was first)
.
"Great Hair Great Policies"
😄 I kid you not!
Rorey
(8,514 posts)Probatim
(3,131 posts)Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,275 posts)Response to Probatim (Reply #4)
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Probatim
(3,131 posts)but I thought the OP did a decent job of explaining why his supporters would vote against their self-interests (i.e., he hates the same people they do).
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Meadowoak
(6,465 posts)Rorey
(8,514 posts)I've often referenced the John Edwards thing when discussing someone's blind allegiance to the orange AH. I was completely on board with Edwards until it became obvious what a horrid person he was.
WTF it is with Trump supporters is that they're in a cult....so brainwashed that there is no hope for them.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)And they believe like Trump does that harassing and assaulting women is a badge of privilege.
blm
(114,084 posts)They are and don’t even care to hide it.
Ray Bruns
(5,187 posts)
Ocelot II
(124,645 posts)anywhere but in the National Enquirer, so it wasn't widely reported or believed. He didn't admit it until more news outlets followed up on the story during the summer of '08. But I was also interested in his candidacy, and in fact had gone to a rally on the evening of 1/29/08, where he spoke and assured the crowd that he was going to press on for the nomination, blah blah blah. The next morning I saw his announcement that he was out - and I concluded he must have been lying to the crowd at the rally to collect more campaign donations. I'm glad I hadn't contributed, though I'd thought about it. It was at that point I decided he was definitely the wrong guy for the job, and the confirmation of the affair was no surprise. He dropped out because he was running out of money, although the possible revelation of the affair was surely hanging over his head as well. He never would have been nominated even though he'd been the VP candidate in '04 because Democrats have standards. GOPers do not; all that is required of their candidates is that they hate the same people their voters hate.
JCMach1
(28,651 posts)He was dressed in suit and a long coat and was screaming expletives at his entourage. I have never seen someone that toxic perform.like that in a public space.
I always use that to explain to people why I would never have voted for Trump even if he were a Dem. He is bottom line the most toxic person I ever randomly dumped into.
Horrible, horrible human being
RobinA
(10,318 posts)of Trump is actually his good side? Christ on a cracker!!!
ShazzieB
(20,540 posts)Look at what we all know about him:
We've all seen ample evidence of his thin skin and his inability to handle any kind of criticism, and we've heard stories about him throwing plates of food at the walls when something doesn’t go his way.
We know how vindictive he can be when he thinks someone has "wronged" him (like Obama making fun of him at the White House correspondents' dinnner), and we've seen the way he rages on social media at those he's upset with, complete with all manner of slurs and character attacks. We know he's got a highly exaggerated sense of his own importance. As potus, he seemed surprised to learn that there were actually rules that circumscribed what he had assumed was going to be boundless power, and he didn't like it one bit.
Those are just some of the things we know about this child-man. It stands to reason that they are only the tip of a very large iceberg. Anyone capable of publicly displaying the kind of childish petulance we seen from him so many, many times is almost always capable of a lot worse in private. Trump does his best to hide it when he's on camera and/or in front of a crowd where he knows his behavior will be widely reported, but the idea of him letting loose when he deems it "safe" to do so is 100% believable to me.
He lets all that anger loose when he speaks to crowds of his supporters, deploying it against targets that he knows they hate, which makes them feel that he's on their side. The anger itself they mistake for strength, and they assume he will use that "strength" against all the people, things, and ideas they themselves hate.
Knowing what I do about the "public" Donald Trump, I have no trouble believing that what JCMach1 described seeing in that airport was the real "private" Donald Trump.
Johonny
(23,544 posts)But after I figured out he really was a one speech pony, I got less interested in him.
moonscape
(5,515 posts)lame54
(37,907 posts)Edwards brought health care into the debate
TexasBushwhacker
(20,884 posts)Men and their weiners, I swear. And he stayed with that woman, Rielle Hunter, for 9 years!
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)it is like wwe......
all screams and bluster and then in the ring he puts on a show.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)For them, there is no truth
bucolic_frolic
(50,230 posts)
avebury
(11,130 posts)and McCain campaigns? Most people know if from the movie made that focused on Sarah Palin.
But the book covers everyone. Yes John Edwards was a dog. But his wife was not an angel either. Publicly it was oh his poor wife. After reading the book I was not as sympathetic towards her (and I am in no way trying to say that excuses what her husband did). They both had their faults. Her medical problems ended up getting her the sympathy vote.
You also learn that members of his campaign had very serious consideration of tanking his campaign if there was any way that he might have won the nomination because they knew that he would have have been a disaster.
betsuni
(27,860 posts)Was very disappointed the authors 2016 election book was cancelled.
rurallib
(63,704 posts)they are willing to lose everything as long as they think someone is making the other team suffer more. That is all they care about.
Plus he hates the same people they do.
Grumpy Old Guy
(3,802 posts)...more than they love their country.
Gore1FL
(22,459 posts)Trump supporters support him because he is exactly not a moral being. Any new morality issues are a bonus.
Wednesdays
(20,494 posts)As well as a whole national network of radio talk shows.
Mr. Ected
(9,691 posts)And gleefully impeached him for it, pitchforks and all.
Seems their moral compasses lack a true Magnetic North.
judesedit
(4,545 posts)Trump voters vote against all the things that would give them and their families much better lives. They're totally brainwashed by that creton. Very sad. Thankfully, we are the majority. Hopefully, we can get all the sensible peiple to vote in line with their own best interest. And that means for all of the democrats on the ticket.
AZ8theist
(6,706 posts)... their own ideals?
YES
Farmer-Rick
(11,745 posts)To a podcast about Roseanne Boyland who died at the attack on the capitol on 6 Jan.
And these people sound like a cult. They spout the same kind of platitudes, almost like a chant. They repeat lies as if the listener wasn't at the event and saw it for themselves. They make up little stories around the smallest thing and then assume it's fact.
It's so much like the religions I have had the misfortune of being associated with. But here's the thing. I don't understand the mind of religious cult followers either.
Why give up your thinking questioning nature in order to belong to a cult? Can't These followers see how they are being used and frequently abused? I just don't get giving up reason and common sense so you can support some idiot or some idiotic idea.
It's more than just owning the libs but that is a strong motivator. It's like they are hypnotized and reality doesn't exist for them.....so much so they are willing to drink the poisoned Kool Aid. They knowingly die and let their children die, but they are willing to do it because they were told by their cult leader.
I heard people say my president needed me, so I went to the attack to support him. But he's just a president. He's not a leader, he a screaming banshee. He manges to do nothing for no one except himself. He's just another politician. And there are millions of them everywhere.
Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,275 posts)
Warpy
(113,341 posts)He got into real trouble when he tried to keep it quiet and paid hush money. It's always the coverup, they never seem to learn. His lack of courage and idiocy were turnoffs.
Most of these guys have feet of clay. As long as it's consensual, I really don't care about the gossip. No laws broken? Move the hell on, let the parties involved hash this stuff out in privacy.
We deride the right for being obsessed with what other people do with their genitals. Aren't we allowing the press to do the same to us? Think of the people we lost like Al Franken and Eliot Spitzer.
I'm not going to climb onto a fainting couch because some Great Man (TM) has violated his marriage vows. It's none of my business. It is his wife's business, and maybe their extended families. I don't want to know, thanks.
Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,275 posts)
applegrove
(125,925 posts)connection to him like any cult leader. They don't care about anything but continueing with the personal connection.
milestogo
(20,497 posts)They didn't think infidelity is any of the voters business.
edisdead
(3,359 posts)Are they just without morals? Are they stupid? Are they so brainwashed that they vote against their own ideals?
Or is it that they are just so filled with hate of anything non-WASP that they will support anything that might lend credence to their hate and prejudice?
yes.
Skittles
(164,017 posts)that is enough