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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Jury finds for E Jeanne Caroll on claim of SEXUAL ABUSE and DEFAMATION
Unanimous verdict
Award of $2 M for sexual abuse.; $20,000 for conduct; $1 M for defamation; $1.7 M for reputation repair; $280,000 in punitive damages.
Ocelot II
(116,031 posts)And $2M award for sexual assault. $20K for defamation, $1.7M for reputation repair, $280K punitive damages.
BonnieJW
(2,280 posts)his lawyers appeal it for years
wryter2000
(46,145 posts)I had heard one of the jurors was a Trumpy type.
LiberalFighter
(51,403 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,886 posts)It could happen.
LiberalFighter
(51,403 posts)And when it came directly out of Trump's mouth there wasn't any excuse left for him.
Tree Lady
(11,545 posts)because more men were on jury then women. He said if they don't say he did it I have no faith in the system because lawyers totally proved he lied over and over.
underpants
(183,070 posts)Vinca
(50,342 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,272 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,803 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)housecat
(3,121 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,843 posts)Jarqui
(10,131 posts)I hope they nail him for million$
LiberalFighter
(51,403 posts)getagrip_already
(15,002 posts)nolabear
(42,009 posts)He deserves every bit and more.
Quixote1818
(29,039 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)Boy does that cause lots of speculation in my tiny little mind that is not flattering to Trump.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)LaMouffette
(2,043 posts)And that's the angle they'll take on FoxNews, too. Fox viewers will come away believing he's innocent.
But I am so happy for E. Jean Carroll!!! She got him! She struck a blow against the creep on behalf of herself and countless other women he assaulted.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)......"they tried and tried, over and over with a corrupt judge and vindictive prosecutor to convict me and unfairly smear me with a rape charge. There was no rape...no rape. This woman lied about it and that was proven in court she was a liar. Some are saying the biggest lie in American history. It was a great victory for me and shows how baseless and fake their witch hunts are."
"But they still unfairly are punishing me just for being me, with these unfair awarded damages. Please send contributions to DonaldTrump.com " (so I can pay it off and pocket the rest of it suckers)
LaMouffette
(2,043 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)You fixed it. Thanks.
burrowowl
(17,657 posts)Traildogbob
(8,909 posts)Melania will make a statement defending her man and her babys daddy.
She is furious about the witch hunt. Thoughts and prayers for her and her son.
lastlib
(23,393 posts)..on, um, kidneys..
Yeah, *thoughts and prayers* for the whole crime family.
NBachers
(17,192 posts)Jerry2144
(2,139 posts)Tapiocas bill will probably be
Unpaid
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,803 posts)didn't happen. There's reality, there's the law, and there's the way those facts can be substantiated in a way that proves guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
brooklynite
(95,070 posts)Kali
(55,032 posts)jury probably figured too small to work standing
nolabear
(42,009 posts)🍄 😉
TheBlackAdder
(28,262 posts).
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nolabear
(42,009 posts)uponit7771
(90,378 posts)hlthe2b
(102,579 posts)be certain of PENILE penetration or penetration beyond use of fingers. That does not diminish the jury's belief in her and their findings for her account at all.
But for those downplaying this liability finding, I'd note that finger or foreign body penetration is considered rape in some other states. Please do NOT diminish Carroll by suggesting a level of disbelief on the part of the jury. They followed the specific wording of the law and Carroll herself was less than certain of penile penetration (which unintentionally says something rather derisive about Trump as well, frankly).
CaptainTruth
(6,624 posts)...it would be "a preponderance of the evidence."
In civil cases there can still be a bit if doubt, but if the majority of the evidence indicates something happened, jurors can decide it did.
Cha
(298,139 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)I really wish people wouldn't effing post before they have all of the information. The first reports on DU, including this one, were wrong.
It's no on rape, yes on wanton disregard, yes on false statements, yes on malice, yes on injured, yes on damage to reputation, yes on sexual abuse. About $5 million total.
Demsrule86
(68,869 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)brooklynite
(95,070 posts)TwilightZone
(25,525 posts)I don't get this utter compulsion some people have to be first. All it does is confuse people.
Just take the 30 seconds or whatever to get all of the information, then post. Otherwise, you're just posting misinformation in a race to the top. That helps no one.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Go figure.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)@ 12:08 and corrected it at 12:10. Pretty quick correction.
This poster is one of the most credible posters here.
Cha
(298,139 posts)TwilightZone.
Grateful DT has to Pay for all those other Charges.
wnylib
(21,813 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)lastlib
(23,393 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)...and I swear reading this healed me!!!!!
Happy dance~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LymphocyteLover
(5,667 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)...renewed my faith in mankind!
FUCKING "A" YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LymphocyteLover
(5,667 posts)Such freaking relief!
Cha
(298,139 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)I am sooooooooooooooo glad she kicked his ass!!!!!!
Cha
(298,139 posts)niyad
(114,007 posts)iluvtennis
(19,913 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,667 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,403 posts)Carroll wasn't sure if his penis had penetrated her. That would suggest he has a small one?
Susan Calvin
(1,657 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,387 posts)There could be a joke in there somewhere.
Or, her perception was affected by the stress of the moment.
I only hope she has found some peace of mind.
llmart
(15,572 posts)I honestly don't even want to have a picture of what happened with Donnie's mushroom at that time.
Can you even believe that this bloke was actually a President? The world has truly gone mad.
Oh, and he's lower than scum.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,387 posts)I'd guess a good crime lab could determine if the mix of dried fluids indicated that his penis was inside her during the encounter.
Can I believe he was a president? That election result was a gut-punch. I couldn't believe he won over HRC.
ecstatic
(32,814 posts)VGNonly
(7,533 posts)Oh...never mind
niyad
(114,007 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,274 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)Artcatt
(344 posts)nolabear
(42,009 posts)God hes tiresome. Hes also a convicted sexual abuser. Quite the string of honorifics hes amassing there.
3catwoman3
(24,147 posts)His vocabulary is quite limited, as are his responses to any criticism/accusation - theme and variations on being the victim.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness?"
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness?"
Smackdown2019
(1,193 posts)Wonder if he setup another "send me money" drive for losing the case?
Roc2020
(1,620 posts)NotASurfer
(2,157 posts)that he's now, for the moment, declared a sex offender in civil court? Something I can post in public, like on phone poles and stuff
I know a place where the MAGA meet to protest and this would be a nice public advisory to give them, you know, as a courtesy
llmart
(15,572 posts)People in Florida need to plaster these everywhere so he has to see them everywhere he goes.
Ponietz
(3,086 posts)LOL
BigmanPigman
(51,675 posts)I am soooooooo happy. Is it too early to celebrate with a drink?
ALBliberal
(2,362 posts)Of course I hope the answer is no!!
NJCher
(35,843 posts)but the legal experts I saw quoted didn't see any basis for an appeal.
There has to be something that the judge, prosecutor, jury, or opposing attorney did wrong. There are other possible causes, too, such as conflicts with the laws. These experts say they spotted nothing.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)This judge seemed to be particularly careful.
Anyone can appeal a decision. But in this case, with merit that could prevail? Seems unlikely.
As well, she still has another defamation case against him for stuff he said previously.
Normally, at this juncture, one might cut their losses and haggle a deal.
But he can't very well do that while appealing this case.
A big thing here:
Trump University got dinged $25 mil
Trump Foundation got wiped out and $2-3 mil in damages
Trump org got convicted along with Weisselberg for tax and fraud crimes and I think they got dinged $2 mil
Bragg indicted him.
But I think today is the first time the Teflon Don got nailed personally and it got far more media coverage.
It might help shake his people's confidence in him to evade the authorities and help some of them flip on Trump.
PXR-5
(522 posts)Botany
(70,674 posts)I will have a glass of champagne. $5,000,000 +
Littlered
(17 posts)I imagine they are trying to scrub it away, hide it. Pretend it doesnt exist.
Of course we all know, they dont care what he does. He is their cult leader and can do no wrong.
GreenWave
(6,832 posts)MissB
(15,814 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)Technicalities and legalese doesn't change what we're all painfully aware of.
niyad
(114,007 posts)Hekate
(91,055 posts)onetexan
(13,083 posts)Permanut
(5,722 posts)They probably have $5 million in change in the ashtrays of their Veyrons and Ferrari 360 GTs
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,509 posts)Nah he deserves it.