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brooklynite

(95,071 posts)
Fri May 19, 2023, 09:03 PM May 2023

Orcas have sunk 3 boats in Europe and appear to be teaching others to do the same. But why?

Live Science

Orcas have attacked and sunk a third boat off the Iberian coast of Europe, and experts now believe the behavior is being copied by the rest of the population.

Three orcas (Orcinus orca), also known as killer whales, struck the yacht on the night of May 4 in the Strait of Gibraltar, off the coast of Spain, and pierced the rudder. "There were two smaller and one larger orca," skipper Werner Schaufelberger told the German publication Yacht. "The little ones shook the rudder at the back while the big one repeatedly backed up and rammed the ship with full force from the side."

Schaufelberger said he saw the smaller orcas imitate the larger one. "The two little orcas observed the bigger one's technique and, with a slight run-up, they too slammed into the boat." Spanish coast guards rescued the crew and towed the boat to Barbate, but it sank at the port entrance.

Two days earlier, a pod of six orcas assailed another sailboat navigating the strait. Greg Blackburn, who was aboard the vessel, looked on as a mother orca appeared to teach her calf how to charge into the rudder. "It was definitely some form of education, teaching going on," Blackburn told 9news.

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Orcas have sunk 3 boats in Europe and appear to be teaching others to do the same. But why? (Original Post) brooklynite May 2023 OP
They've figured out the creatures on the boat are harmful to their home. roamer65 May 2023 #1
I love the idea of orcas figuring out that mean people suck! ShazzieB May 2023 #26
Yeah, elephants will attack people unprovoked too Farmer-Rick May 2023 #2
Gaia Docjohnson May 2023 #3
I wish manatees could do this--they're always getting torn up by careless boaters. Timeflyer May 2023 #4
Food? live love laugh May 2023 #5
Thank goodness some other intelligent creature is fighting back. Maru Kitteh May 2023 #6
THIS malaise May 2023 #8
It's the cruelty malaise. Why we have to kill every living thing and each other Maru Kitteh May 2023 #15
Seals probably feel the same way about orcas. cstanleytech May 2023 #21
Agent Smith? ArkansasDemocrat1 May 2023 #40
Well said malaise May 2023 #43
Revenge for Sea World? dflprincess May 2023 #7
"Which one of you is the one called 'Moby Dick'?" Buns_of_Fire May 2023 #9
Drag shows? bluedigger May 2023 #10
Yep. Gotta be. progressoid May 2023 #13
Hope they learn to attack the superyachts dalton99a May 2023 #11
Turn about is effing fair play y'all. jeffreyi May 2023 #12
hmmmmmm CatWoman May 2023 #14
like shaking seals off of ice floes. they see a source of edibles...except for those heavy jackets msongs May 2023 #16
I'm sure they can figure out how to remove the wrapping DBoon May 2023 #30
Are the attacks on the rudders the same behavior yonder May 2023 #17
Competition for food or injuries from propellers Warpy May 2023 #18
Could also be a case of some asshole shooting at them from one. cstanleytech May 2023 #22
Article says they're attacking only sailboats..... doesn't say anything about powered vessels. groundloop May 2023 #23
Interesting and puzzling, thanks NT Warpy May 2023 #42
The article said that 4 orcas have died. wnylib May 2023 #19
Good. Maybe these true apex predators have sorted out flvegan May 2023 #20
They're MAGA Republicans RipVanWinkle May 2023 #24
Humans aren't part of the normal Orca diet? SouthernDem4ever May 2023 #25
Actually, orcas are dolphins. IL Dem May 2023 #29
Sadly, this will get them killed. Ferrets are Cool May 2023 #27
Just like wolves, bears, coyotes, puma...etc. StClone May 2023 #32
Yup Ferrets are Cool May 2023 #33
I can't possibly imagine why... n/t AnrothElf May 2023 #28
Revenge would be my guess Hekate May 2023 #31
I can't blame them. RandySF May 2023 #34
I, for one, welcome our new cetacean overlords!! hatrack May 2023 #35
Orcas hate boats, that's why. Iggo May 2023 #36
KEEP YOUR PLASTIC BOTTLES OUT OF OUR SEA!! PXR-5 May 2023 #37
I think I've read about then attacking large whales too. 1WorldHope May 2023 #38
Quite interesting that they are teaching their young to attack boats Bayard May 2023 #39
They're speculating one of the Orcas was involved in a collision. tinrobot May 2023 #41
Mother Nature always bats last onethatcares May 2023 #44
Just wait until they evolve the opposable thumbs Blue Owl May 2023 #45

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
1. They've figured out the creatures on the boat are harmful to their home.
Fri May 19, 2023, 09:05 PM
May 2023

Or they are hungry!

But, I’ll stick with the orca epiphany that mean people suck.

ShazzieB

(16,675 posts)
26. I love the idea of orcas figuring out that mean people suck!
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:57 PM
May 2023

They're very smart, so why wouldn't they figure that out? And once they do, well...look out!




Farmer-Rick

(10,244 posts)
2. Yeah, elephants will attack people unprovoked too
Fri May 19, 2023, 09:07 PM
May 2023

They remember when their relatives were killed by humans or humans in boats.

They have good memories.

Maru Kitteh

(28,350 posts)
6. Thank goodness some other intelligent creature is fighting back.
Fri May 19, 2023, 09:17 PM
May 2023

It's about time. Because truthfully, we really suck at this. By this I kind of mean just about everything lately.


Maru Kitteh

(28,350 posts)
15. It's the cruelty malaise. Why we have to kill every living thing and each other
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:02 PM
May 2023

I will never, never understand.






I'm feeling very melancholy and angry right now. These fires were the final staw for one of my kindest, most gentle patients with COPD yesterday. It made me feel irrational, like running outside and literally screaming at the smoke. It made me so angry . . at the smoke.

And we're stuck in this now. Days. Weeks. Likely much of the summer.


So. I'm on team Orca.



cstanleytech

(26,368 posts)
21. Seals probably feel the same way about orcas.
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:40 PM
May 2023

After all in this world everything is food for something in the end.
As for whats happening here I do wonder what connection the orcas are making with the yachts as far as being a threat unless some asshole decided it would be a good idea to shoot at them from one.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,218 posts)
9. "Which one of you is the one called 'Moby Dick'?"
Fri May 19, 2023, 09:24 PM
May 2023

"I am Moby Dick."
"No, I am Moby Dick."
"No, I am Moby Dick!"

msongs

(67,509 posts)
16. like shaking seals off of ice floes. they see a source of edibles...except for those heavy jackets
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:09 PM
May 2023

other clothing in the way

yonder

(9,687 posts)
17. Are the attacks on the rudders the same behavior
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:25 PM
May 2023

they would use on another large sea mammal or just a fluke? That seems curious.

Warpy

(111,481 posts)
18. Competition for food or injuries from propellers
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:29 PM
May 2023

would be my top guess. They're cetaceans, they've got bigger brains than we do.

We'll see if they attack sail boats or just the ones with propellers. If it's the latter, they're definitely using those big brains of theirs.

cstanleytech

(26,368 posts)
22. Could also be a case of some asshole shooting at them from one.
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:43 PM
May 2023

I know that would probably piss me off if I was an orca.

wnylib

(21,813 posts)
19. The article said that 4 orcas have died.
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:33 PM
May 2023

Although the deaths could not be definitively attributed to injuries from attacking the rudders, it's a possibility.

Injuries and deaths from the attacks might reinforce to the orcas the idea that the sailing boats are dangerous and deserving of even more attacks to protect themselves.

Or, I wonder if they might be trying to protect their food sources (fish) from being taken by fishers on the boats. "MY food! Go find your own somewhere else!"

Or, protecting themselves from being caught in fish nets.


flvegan

(64,428 posts)
20. Good. Maybe these true apex predators have sorted out
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:36 PM
May 2023

that the soft, squishy bits captaining these vessels are the ones destroying their ecosystems and pillaging their food stocks.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
25. Humans aren't part of the normal Orca diet?
Fri May 19, 2023, 10:56 PM
May 2023

I thought they were killer whales! Turns out they eat other marine life but not usually humans. That is very anti-climactic to my sea world days. All this time I thought the guy riding the whale was in danger.

1WorldHope

(701 posts)
38. I think I've read about then attacking large whales too.
Fri May 19, 2023, 11:49 PM
May 2023

This would be good training for both hunting larger prey but also getting rid of the assholes on these yachts who really do need their asses kicked.

Bayard

(22,257 posts)
39. Quite interesting that they are teaching their young to attack boats
Sat May 20, 2023, 12:05 AM
May 2023

Obviously they see boats and/or people as a threat, as well they should.

These are not stupid creatures.

tinrobot

(10,927 posts)
41. They're speculating one of the Orcas was involved in a collision.
Sat May 20, 2023, 12:20 AM
May 2023
Experts suspect that a female orca they call White Gladis suffered a "critical moment of agony" — a collision with a boat or entrapment during illegal fishing — that flipped a behavioral switch. "That traumatized orca is the one that started this behavior of physical contact with the boat," López Fernandez said.

Orcas are social creatures that can easily learn and reproduce behaviors performed by others, according to the 2022 study. In the majority of reported cases, orcas have made a beeline for a boat's rudder and either bitten, bent or broken it.


It's not that they're trying to get back at all of humanity.

They're simply attacking the sailboats that attacked one of them.

onethatcares

(16,215 posts)
44. Mother Nature always bats last
Sat May 20, 2023, 08:55 AM
May 2023

I see a movie involving that mega yacht that had to have a bridge removed to get to the sea after being built.

Imagine if you will a line of 300 Orcas pushing against one side of that yacht.

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